Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5030 times:
You raise an interesting question.
While the 787-3 is a much bigger airplane than the 752, it is supposed to cover the 753 market. The sad answer is that you are probably raising a moot question.....its unlikely that any US carrier will order the 787-3 for domestic services; most expect the US airlines to focus on the 787-8 and maybe 787-9 and assign the 787 to longhaul flying. Interest in the 787-3 may be limited to Japanese carriers....and maybe other Asian (chinese) airlines down the road.
To my knowledge, widebody aircraft have never been flown into DCA.....I think that there may be some regulations that limit aircraft size/weight into DCA that prevent widebodies from flying into DCA. Years ago, there was some talk of EA using A300B2s on the LGA-DCA shuttle, but I dont think that anything ever came of that. I am sure that someone has more specific information.
Looking back, airliners like the DC10-10 and L1011-1 were specifically engineered to allow operations into LGA which has short runways and weight limitations. Back in the 1970s, a good number of DC10s and L1011s operated in and out of LGA on key domestic routes......before the entire US airline system was adjusted and became very focused on hubs and high frequency services. Delta has flown 762, 763 and 764 aircraft in and out of LGA over the years.......
Thus, the key quesiton is: is the 787 being designed with LGA operations in mind?
Contrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1845 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4964 times:
When the new terminal opened a few years ago the airport was supposed to be rated for a 767, although there's never been one here that I'm aware of. There was a DC-10 a few years ago. That story was well covered in A-Net.
I don't expect to ever see the 787 at DCA. Personally, I'd be happy just to see some more 757's. When the wind's out of the south and landing aircraft go by my office window I normally see 2 or 3 a day. I haven't seen the ATA 757-300 that DLX referred to, but I'll keep an eye out for it.
GOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4394 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4815 times:
Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 5): I think it is for up to a 763, no more than 2 at a time
Just prior til the 1250 mile radius rule was broken, there were talks about a flight to LAX or DEN on a 767-300, likely United or AA, but never has been. As for now, we'll be seeing the 757 for awhile here.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4787 times:
DC-10's and L1011's were tested at DCA in the late 1970's. They operated well. Eastern Air Lines was especially eager; but the FAA decided that was too much plane for their little airport. There was also pressure not to undercut IAD, which, 15 years after opening, was finally reaching a respectable size.
I doubt if we'll see anything bigger at DCA any time soon. If the next generation of narrowbodies is quieter we might see another hour or two of operations at night.
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D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 12020 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4683 times:
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 7): DC-10's and L1011's were tested at DCA in the late 1970's. They operated well. Eastern Air Lines was especially eager; but the FAA decided that was too much plane for their little airport. There was also pressure not to undercut IAD, which, 15 years after opening, was finally reaching a respectable size.
I don't think we need to worry about protecting IAD anymore. It's interesting that they currently have a small exhibit at IAD talking about the early ghost town days, but it's a very busy place now. So, if that's the reason, I'd say let the larger jets in.
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Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4521 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 1): The 783 is supposed to replace, in some part, the 753, not the 752 which currently is seen at National.
the 783 replace the 753? I thought the 787 was to replace the 767 series airplanes. Hence, the 783 would replace the 762's. The 783 is a widebody aircraft. The 753 is a narrowbody aircraft. Comparing apples with oranges here.
Broke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4509 times:
In 1977, Eastern tried to get the A-300 approved for operations in and out of DCA. While the Mount Vernon Approach from the South was fine, the River Approach from the North was not. With the aircraft following the river and only aligning with the Runway 18 about 1/2 mile from the threshold, it was felt that it was too tricky an approach for a wide bodied airliner.
Beech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4437 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2): The sad answer is that you are probably raising a moot question.....its unlikely that any US carrier will order the 787-3 for domestic services;
I hope you like dissapointment... 2007 will be enjoyable for you...
Quoting D L X (Reply 11): noise, I'm certain that the DL and AA MD-80s flying into DCA will be much louder than any new plane coming in. It's amazing just how much louder the mad dogs are compared to the larger 757s.
MD's are louder than 777's and have a much larger sound footprint also on takeoff.
Quoting D L X (Reply 15): I think it's capacity and perhaps range that is important here. There are some rumors out there that the 737 replacement will be twin-aisle.
One twin and one single. Ala 2-3/3-3 and 2-2-2(larger fues). Just a hunch...
Cberflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4422 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 11): Re: noise, I'm certain that the DL and AA MD-80s flying into DCA will be much louder than any new plane coming in. It's amazing just how much louder the mad dogs are compared to the larger 757s.
I particularly love it when one of NW's old DC9's roars out of DCA... they've got to be the loudest things still flying there. Don't see 727's any more...
Yes, so sad
IIRC, my first flight from DCA was a TWA 727. I used to love it, but now I don't miss the noise! Those DCs and mad dogs rattle windows like crazy- people in Alexandria would pay to have more 757s if they cold get rid of the Douglas jets!
Can the longest runway, 1/19 which is about 2,100 meters, handle a 787 landing? Now if it is not possible, I don't think 787's will be seen at DCA, unless one the runways gets stretched to about 3,100 meters and a US carrier buys the 787-300.