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Loganair's "World's Shortest Flight"?  
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6871 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

Everybody's heard of that alleged "World's Shortest Scheduled Flight", between Westray and Papa Westray, in the Orkney Islands, but I've never seen the details.

It's not in the December OAG-- is it summer-only? Or is it never in the OAG? Has it ever been in the OAG or ABC? How often did/does it operate?

Does/did it fly from an actual airport to an actual airport? Do they have ICAO or IATA codes? How about lat-lons?

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User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5991 times:

If you have a look at www.hial.co.uk or www.loganair.co.uk it should tell you somewhere


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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
Do they have ICAO or IATA codes?

Papa Westray - PPW
Westray - WRY

The flight schedule is available at http://www.loganair.co.uk/xtra%20files/OrkneyTimetable.pdf

from www.loganair.co.uk :-

Loganair’s scheduled flights (excluding the Orkney and Shetland inter island flights) are operated under a franchise agreement with British Airways.

Flights can be booked online at www.britishairways.com
Or by contacting British Airways on

UK Tel 0870 850 9 850 (24 hours)
Ireland Tel 1-800 626747

Or through any other British Airways sales channel.



Loganair operates scheduled flights within the Orkney and Shetland Isles. For flight information and to make a reservation contact Loganair's local offices.



Tel + 44 (0) 1856 872494 or 873457
(Mon-Fri 0815-1745, Sat 0900-1600, Sun 1330-1630)
Fax + 44 (0) 1856 872420
Email orkneyres@loganair.co.uk


Hope that helps !

JC



"Our 319's are very reliable. They get fixed very quickly."
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6871 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5965 times:

It says "continuously operated" -- so it's not seasonal? So it's never been listed in the OAG or ABC?

User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 3):
It says "continuously operated" -- so it's not seasonal?

No it's year round - that timetable link I posted above is "ORKNEY INTER ISLAND TIMETABLE - Valid 29 October 2006 to 17 February 2007" and the flight is listed on there.

JC



"Our 319's are very reliable. They get fixed very quickly."
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6871 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5925 times:

Thanks for the timetable-- I looked at Loganair's site, but the route map I saw only showed Kirkwall, nothing else up there.

So probably the flight never has been in the OAG-- wonder what else it's not in? And wonder how many other flights they leave out.


User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5865 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 5):
So probably the flight never has been in the OAG-- wonder what else it's not in? And wonder how many other flights they leave out.

http://www.oag.com/oag/website/com/e...ection=outbound&flight_type=direct

unless I misunderstood  Wink

JC



"Our 319's are very reliable. They get fixed very quickly."
User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

I took this flight(and some other regional hops around Kirkwall) somewhere in the 1990s. Was a great experience! The aircraft was painted in full BA landor livery and the flight was operated under BA flight number - and we got at that time 500 BA Executive Club miles plus the actual distance  Wink

Scheduled flying time from WRY to PPW is 2 Minutes. The Pilot corrected this time after looking at the windsock: "errr... 1 minute". Actual flying time was 70 seconds.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6871 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5797 times:

So now we've got another question-- Westray and Papa Westray don't appear in the Worldwide OAG, but they're on OAG's website. How many other scheduled flight/airports don't appear in the paper OAG? Did Loganair's flights ever appear in a paper OAG or ABC?

User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting Patroni (Reply 7):
I took this flight(and some other regional hops around Kirkwall) somewhere in the 1990s. Was a great experience! The aircraft was painted in full BA landor livery and the flight was operated under BA flight number - and we got at that time 500 BA Executive Club miles plus the actual distance

The Landor livery looks good on such a small aircraft


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And who was it who accused BA of neglecting the regions ?!?!  duck 

Still not the smallest BA aircraft though, that has to go to these beauties:


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JC



"Our 319's are very reliable. They get fixed very quickly."
User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5784 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 3):
So it's never been listed in the OAG or ABC?

It has not been listed for a while now. In my Dec 83 issue of ABC World Airways Guide it was listed as Loganair (LC) flights. Years later, LC entered into a franchise agreement with British Airways and the flights were shown using BA codes. And apparently now the inter-island flights in the Orkneys are no longer covered by the BA franchise agreement and are no longer listed. Apparently, Loganair uses their 3 letter code for filing their flights with OAG (as do some smaller Russian airlines), therefore it only appears on the on-line version of OAG and not in the printed guides (and also not in the GDS's).

By the way, the flights only seem to go WRY-PPW and usually not PPW-WRY, as this operation is a triangle route KOI-WRY-PPW-KOI.


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5479 times:




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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7619 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 10):
By the way, the flights only seem to go WRY-PPW and usually not PPW-WRY, as this operation is a triangle route KOI-WRY-PPW-KOI.

The triangular nature of this service probably keeps it going. Its prime purpose is to link both Westray and Papa Westray to Kirkwall. With insufficient business for either island to have its own service (even though the fares for local residents are, like many in the Scottish Highlands and Islands subsidised) I doubt if many seats are sold for the WRY-PPW hop. It is also worth noting that the aircraft that fly this service also act as air ambulances. The badge to the right of the fuselage registration in the photo is that of the Scottish Ambulance Service:

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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

Westray and Papa Westray along with other destinations in the Orkneys were listed on 1986 Worldwide OAG, under Loganair/LC.

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