CityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3623 times:
I'm looking through the IB destinations and I find it interesting.
Bolivia and Paraguay are the only countries in Southamerica to which IB does not fly (excluding (French)Guyana, Surinam).
And even some small countries in centralamerica sush as Honduras, Guatemala, etc. recieves flights from IB. From February IB will open flights to San Salvador aswell.
So I was wondering: Is there any bigger chance that IB might open flight to those two countries anytime soon? Maybe a combined flight: MAD-LPB/VVI-ASU? Or something else?
RootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4187 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3606 times:
Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter): And even some small countries in centralamerica sush as Honduras, Guatemala, etc. recieves flights from IB. From February IB will open flights to San Salvador aswell.
They don't operate to Honduras anymore ever since IB closed it miami hub in 2004. Same with Nicaragua . They operate there via codeshare with TACA.
I didn't hear they were going back to SAL. so far its also operated by codeshare either from MIA, SJO or GUA.
As for Bolivia its the poorest country in South America. Paraguay is up there - it is also the international capital of black-market trading
Therefore, there isn't much business travel to those two countries either. Whilst Bolivia is becoming increasingly touristic over these years, Paraguay is no where as being a touristic place. Its true they could have a MAD-ASU-VVI flight two times a week but I don't think IB sees much interest in service that route
However, IB currently serves ASU through a code-share with Brazilian airline TAM, as an extension of their daily flight MAD-GRU. TAM carries IB pax from GRU to ASU.
[Edited 2006-12-29 08:27:21]
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LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11494 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3374 times:
Quoting 123 (Reply 2): Don´t forget the Bolivian Lloyd Aereo Boliviano and Aero Sur fly together around 12 x per week with L1011/B747 VVI-MAD-VVI and flights are sold out.
Agree with you that IB could fly to VVI at least 3 to 5x weekly. Using the A343, i believe IB will create a competitive advantage against LB and Aerosur and they can even fly thru Northeast Brazil (for example REC). But we have to remember that Bolivian Government nowadays is not so friendly for business like oil (and Repsol use to be a strong investor in Bolivia).
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DCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 541 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3286 times:
Let's see... To Paraguay, there is just not enough traffic to justify ops, and what little there is, must be so low-yield, it's just not commercially viable. Keep in mind AA cancelled its Asuncion flights this year (or was it '05?) Iberia actually operated to Asuncion back in the early 90s with DC-9s based in EZE, and also with DC-10s back in the 80s... I seem to recall the flight stopped in EZE too. Add to that that AR no longer flies to ASU - in fact I think the only airline operating these days in ASU must be TAM, so there is your answer...
To Bolivia... There is traffic with the Bolivian immigration to Spain nowadays, but not high yielding - mostly VFR - , so, again, not commercially viable for an operation the size of Iberia's. And, the notable difference with other IB destinations in the Americas, such as Central America, is that there is no tourism from Spain/Europe in a large scale seeking the sights of Bolivia, as there is to Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, etc...
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Pzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1400 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3150 times:
Quoting DCAjet (Reply 9): in fact I think the only airline operating these days in ASU must be TAM, so there is your answer...
Today, El Norte, a Mexican newspaper, has an article about MX starting services to Paraguay. Article is very short of details, but if true, I wish MX good luck developing this new and underserved destination.
PU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 585 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3116 times:
Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 14): Today, El Norte, a Mexican newspaper, has an article about MX starting services to Paraguay. Article is very short of details, but if true, I wish MX good luck developing this new and underserved destination.
I dont think that make sense at all, a MEX-ASU route? even with a stop, just pointless.
Mason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3077 times:
What aircraft type did LH fly into LPB? Given the altitude (13,500 feet) this greatly restricts any longhaul ops out of LPB, but into, such as AAs MIA-LPB-VVI could work, perhaps with a 332/333. The question is if IBs 343s could make it out of LPB, even on a short hop to VVI. The 346 would be a good performer, but too much capacity for this route, I believe.
LH used to fly in the past to LPB with the B-707, later on, with the DC-10-30 and finally with the 742. After finalizing the 742 services yes, it switched to an LB B722 service which had LH flight number only (it was not a code-sharing), and the onboardservice was as per LH standards. Crew was LB and one LH assistant to supervise LB reaches LH quality - and as far as I know, it always did.
IB used to fly to LPB in the 60's and I think it was with DC-8.