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EI Increased Service To BOS  
User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

EI will be increasing the Spring schedule to BOS from 11 weekly, to 2 daily. Also, BOS will see a non-stop to DUB in addition to the normal SNN flight.


I read the article which also stated they will make DXB 4x weekly and are going to increase LAX as well.

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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Great news! It appears as though Flights 136/137 are the nonstop BOS-DUB runs, correct? Also, this isn't the first time they've run nonstop BOS-DUB-BOS, is it?

Chris in NH


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32794 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

They will actually be increasing service to all five long-haul destinations this summer - Boston, Chicago, Dubai, Los Angeles, and New York City. They are getting new aircraft which they hoped to use to launch service to Miami, Philadelphia, and San Francisco, but they still don't have authority to fly there, and it really looks like they won't be getting it anytime soon.


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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8383 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

Don't they usually go double-daily in the Summer anyway? I remember seeing 2 EI planes at terminal E before.

User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Quoting B752OS (Thread starter):
EI will be increasing the Spring schedule to BOS from 11 weekly, to 2 daily. Also, BOS will see a non-stop to DUB in addition to the normal SNN flight.

Was announced back in Oct, when the initial summer timetable came out. Please feel free to stop by the Irish Threads that we have going all the time, we keep up to date with Irish Aviation news as much as possible.
(This is a ref. comment, not a tone about old posts, so please accept it as an invite to the Irish threads)

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 1):
Also, this isn't the first time they've run nonstop BOS-DUB-BOS, is it?

No, they use to run 3 or 4 times a week non-stop back in the late 90's when they also had EI-SHN in the fleet (i.e. 4 x A333's which had to be used on East coast routes) but after 9/11 when EI-SHN went, I don't remember the non-stop DUB-BOS service running again until now. The extra service in the summer was just for SNN for the past few yrs

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
They will actually be increasing service to all five long-haul destinations this summer - Boston, Chicago, Dubai, Los Angeles, and New York City.

Correct:
JFK goes to 3 x daily (2 direct from DUB, 1 from SNN)
BOS goes to 2 x daily (1 direct DUB and 1 via SNN)
ORD goes to 2 x daily (1 direct DUB and 1 via SNN)
LAX goes to daily from DUB
DXB goes to 4 x weekly from 3

Rgds

Pilot21



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

I don't quite understand PHL. Is there enough demand to warrant a flight there? Seems like Baltimore all over again. Miami and SFO I can understand (moreso for the Irish folks who want to visit those cities). But I personally wouldn't count PHL in the same category. I would have thought Orlando, or maybe Toronto, as being more useful.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
but they still don't have authority to fly there, and it really looks like they won't be getting it anytime soon

If the Irish government would just scrap the silly SNN requirements for transatlantic carriers, they might just create the right amount of good will for EI to be granted additional rights to the US. Keeping this ludicrous rule in place must surely be doing more harm than good by now.


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):
don't quite understand PHL. Is there enough demand to warrant a flight there?

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that PA has the 3rd largest Irish American Population in America.  sarcastic 


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32794 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 7):
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that PA has the 3rd largest Irish American Population in America. sarcastic

No, it probably doesn't. European-American communities mean next to nothing, because most came in the late 1800s/early 1900s, and no longer have ties to their home country. Truth be told, every major US city has a large "Irish community" because so many Americans are of Irish ancestery. Miami has over 200,000. Chicago, Boston, and Philadelphia have over 600,000 each I'm sure, and I'd bet that at least 70% have never been to Ireland.

Where European communities do lead to heavy travel is more recent immigrant waves or ones that are still seeing a good amount of immigration, such as the Polish community in Chicago, the Italian community in Miami, or the Portuguese community in Boston.

Philadelphia is for the same reasons they want to fly to Miami and San Francisco: large trans-Atlantic travel market, and Aer Lingus wants to turn Dublin into a major hub between the US and Europe, taking advantage of Dublin's geographic position.

[Edited 2006-12-30 08:02:59]


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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2537 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
If the Irish government would just scrap the silly SNN requirements for transatlantic carriers, they might just create the right amount of good will for EI to be granted additional rights to the US. Keeping this ludicrous rule in place must surely be doing more harm than good by now.

The problem is that they want to scrap it now, but can't because the EU is negotiating the whole O/S thing with the US as a block. During the 90's when we needed it gone, SNN was used as a political football, and the irony is that now that they want to get rid of it, they can't!

2007 will hopefully hold some promise of it being sorted.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):
I don't quite understand PHL

US airways is doing well out of that route, but they can offer the connections, where as EI will just be dumping people into PHL, so I'm not sure what sort of O&D traffic is generated to warrant a 2nd airline on the route.
(I'm all for EI growth, but go where you don't have to fight?)



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8383 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Where European communities do lead to heavy travel is more recent immigrant waves or ones that are still seeing a good amount of immigration, such as the Polish community in Chicago, the Italian community in Miami, or the Portuguese community in Boston.

Immigrant communities alone won't justify air travel, period. If that was the case, BOS would have service to Portugal, Brazil, and Russia. We have none except some regular charters to Portugal in the Summer.


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
No, it probably doesn't. European-American communities mean next to nothing, because most came in the late 1800s/early 1900s, and no longer have ties to their home country. Truth be told, every major US city has a large "Irish community" because so many Americans are of Irish ancestery. Miami has over 200,000. Chicago, Boston, and Philadelphia have over 600,000 each I'm sure, and I'd bet that at least 70% have never been to Ireland.

Of course that's just your opinion, unless of course you can provide some form of statistical evidence that only 30% of all Irish Americans have ever been to/or plan to go to Ireland. To make a statement that the 600,000 Irish Americans in any city make little difference in projecting loads for airline service to Ireland is a bit far fetched. Further, what about all those Irish citizens, who visit their 600,000 relatives in that city.

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 9):
US airways is doing well out of that route, but they can offer the connections, where as EI will just be dumping people into PHL, so I'm not sure what sort of O&D traffic is generated to warrant a 2nd airline on the route.
(I'm all for EI growth, but go where you don't have to fight?)

EI is no longer a member of a major Alliance and has stated that they plan to form individual relationships starting in 2007. PHL and SFO are the first two cities EI has recently identified that they plan to serve, either via individual city pair bi-lateral DOT approval or Open Skies, which ever occurs first. These positons are readily available for review through the various EI press and interview releases. One point to ponder relative to the US competition - don't you think EI already understands it? Further, US has downgraded their Ireland flights to offset anticipated expansion to ATH, ZRH and other new cities - to 757s, as have other U.S. carriers. EI can ONLY use 333s on U.S. services - which one would you prefer to fly?


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 11):
Of course that's just your opinion, unless of course you can provide some form of statistical evidence that only 30% of all Irish Americans have ever been to/or plan to go to Ireland. To make a statement that the 600,000 Irish Americans in any city make little difference in projecting loads for airline service to Ireland is a bit far fetched. Further, what about all those Irish citizens, who visit their 600,000 relatives in that city.

To an extent he may have a point. The Boston area has the largest population of Irish people outside of Europe an we only have 2 daily flights. You would think that there would be at least 3 daily flights. Then again, maybe those coming from Ireland prefer to fly other carriers such as BA or LH into PHL for the better service they offer than US.


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 10):
Immigrant communities alone won't justify air travel, period. If that was the case, BOS would have service to Portugal, Brazil, and Russia. We have none except some regular charters to Portugal in the Summer.

BOS used to have daily service to LIS with TWA and still has a seasonal non-stop. Brazil - too far and I do not believe even possible with the restrictive U.S. - Brazil bi-laterals. Russia - it's up to DL, but there is Aeroflot non-stop service from the top 2 Russian American States and US has DOT approval and is planning service from PHL (in the 4th most populus RA State) - MOW in 2008. I also understand that ORD service is planned in the near future.


User currently offlineShanderawx From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2288 times:
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Why don't they fly somewhere down here in the SW? We in Houston are long overdue for another European carrier (AF, KL, BA, LH have been here for years without any additions).

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 10):
If that was the case, BOS would have service to Portugal, Brazil, and Russia. We have none except some regular charters to Portugal in the Summer.

Actually, while I believe SATA technically operates their flights as scheduled charters there are regular flights every week to PDL and LIS year-round. VARIG announced BOS service but cancelled it before it started due to the downturn in the Brazilian economy in the late-90s. And while there are many, many Russians in the Boston area, most of them are Jewish and don't really want much to do with Russia, if anything they're travelling to TLV.

LH423



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32794 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 13):
and still has a seasonal non-stop. Brazil - too far and I do not believe even possible with the restrictive U.S. - Brazil bi-laterals

There is no non-stop Boston-Brazil service, even seasonal. The US-Brazil bilateral is restrictive in one way: US airlines and Brazilian airlines can each have only 104 weekly flights to the US. The US airlines use all their frequencies, but Brazilian airlines do not even use half of them. TAM could add BOS-GRU tomorrow if they wanted.

Quoting Vega (Reply 13):
DOT approval and is planning service from PHL (in the 4th most populus RA State) - MOW in 2008.

There has been no recent applications, nor approvals, for Philadelphia-Moscow service. DOT has in the recent past approved Continental for Newark-Moscow and Domodedovo Airlines for Miami-Moscow, but neither service has launched.

Quoting Vega (Reply 11):
Of course that's just your opinion, unless of course you can provide some form of statistical evidence that only 30% of all Irish Americans have ever been to/or plan to go to Ireland. To make a statement that the 600,000 Irish Americans in any city make little difference in projecting loads for airline service to Ireland is a bit far fetched. Further, what about all those Irish citizens, who visit their 600,000 relatives in that city.

Like I said, it is my opinion and I stand by it. I don't feel it is that stretched at all. Look at immigrant routes that work, TACV to Boston, SATA's scheduled charters to Boston and Providence, Alitalia to Miami, LOT to Chicago, Royal Jordanian to Detroit. What do they all have in common? The immigrant communities are much more recent and/or are still immigrating in large numbers.

Immigrant communities that are long entrenched in the community - Germans in Milwaukee and St. Louis, Irish in Boston, Chicago, and Philadelphia, Scandanavians in Minneapolis, Eastern Europeans in Cleveland - are many generations old, and many don't even have close relatives in their home country that are still living.



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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 11):
One point to ponder relative to the US competition - don't you think EI already understands it?
EI can ONLY use 333s on U.S. services - which one would you prefer to fly?

Yes, but regardless of the US airways 'downgrade', if PHL was such a major destination for EI, don't you think they would have served it before now, instead of opening routes to BWI (which took a special dispensation from the US Govt on our bi-lateral) and MCO before PHL?? Also, CO only use B757's on their 3 daily flights to Ireland in the summer, yet they aren't struggling against Delta's B767 and EI's 3 A330's to the New York area everyday!
Regardless of the fact EI is leaving oneworld, PHL is a US airways hub, so they aren't suddenly going to fly there, and ask US airways to codeshare on flights out of PHL!! and flying to PHL and asking United or AA to codeshare to DFW or DEN is pretty pointless!

Quoting Shanderawx (Reply 14):
Why don't they fly somewhere down here in the SW? We in Houston are long overdue for another European carrier

DFW has strongly been rumoured to be on the cards for a while, but we have to wait for O/S, and it depends on how willing AA is to codeshare with EI after it leaves oneworld to make it work I think. The cities tipped to be served by EI when O/S is agreed are
SFO
PHL
DFW
MIA
Maybe go back to BWI or IAD, but we'll see



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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting B752OS (Reply 12):
The Boston area has the largest population of Irish people outside of Europe an we only have 2 daily flights. You would think that there would be at least 3 daily flights. Then again, maybe those coming from Ireland prefer to fly other carriers such as BA or LH into PHL for the better service they offer than US.


Not really, Boston has the largest PERCENTAGE of Irish American population, not the largest number of Irish Americans. The number of daily flights between 2 international cities has as much to do with business as with tourist travel as well as connectivity to domestic U.S. markets. Boston is not as conveniently situated, nor does it have the quantity of domestic connections as other large Irish-American cities, to support more that 2 flights. Also, AA code-shares with EI on these routes. Not to say DL, NW or maybe US won't try a 757 sometime in the future.
Although I agree that business travelers might choose BA, via LHR over EI to either BOS or PHL, I'm somewhat confused by your statement about BA/LH and PHL - what does it have to do with BOS-SNN/DUB and US Airways?


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
There is no non-stop Boston-Brazil service, even seasonal. The US-Brazil bilateral is restrictive in one way: US airlines and Brazilian airlines can each have only 104 weekly flights to the US. The US airlines use all their frequencies, but Brazilian airlines do not even use half of them. TAM could add BOS-GRU tomorrow if they wanted.

You need to read posts more carefully before responding. I stated that "BOS used to have daily service to LIS with TWA and still has a seasonal non-stop." Unless of course LIS is in Brazil.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32794 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 19):

You need to read posts more carefully before responding. I stated that "BOS used to have daily service to LIS with TWA and still has a seasonal non-stop." Unless of course LIS is in Brazil.

My error. Boston has year-round non-stop to Lisbon. It is a charter, but bookable in GDS.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 4):
JFK goes to 3 x daily (2 direct from DUB, 1 from SNN)
BOS goes to 2 x daily (1 direct DUB and 1 via SNN)
ORD goes to 2 x daily (1 direct DUB and 1 via SNN)
LAX goes to daily from DUB
DXB goes to 4 x weekly from 3

This setup would require at least 9 widebody frames in which case an operational spare would be available 3 nights a week. I didn't realize that EI did even have that many A330s.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 17):
if PHL was such a major destination for EI, don't you think they would have served it before now, instead of opening routes to BWI (which took a special dispensation from the US Govt on our bi-lateral) and MCO before PHL?

First EI is only allowed to serve a limited number of cities in the US and PHL is not one of them, nor could they have easily been able to make PHL one of them (please correct me if i am wrong, i know the Ireland/US agreement has been discussed often but i don't have the time to look it up) Also MCO was served on a scheduled charter service to work around the limited cities EI can serve.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32794 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 22):
First EI is only allowed to serve a limited number of cities in the US and PHL is not one of them, nor could they have easily been able to make PHL one of them (please correct me if i am wrong, i know the Ireland/US agreement has been discussed often but i don't have the time to look it up)

You are correct that the US-Ireland bilatteral wouldn't allow them to serve it. However, if they gave up their Ireland-Baltimore authority (which is seperate from their other route authorities and they recently applied to extend, even though the route remains suspended), they might have been able to successfully argue to transfer it to Philadelphia.



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 21):
This setup would require at least 9 widebody frames in which case an operational spare would be available 3 nights a week. I didn't realize that EI did even have that many A330s.

They have 7 A330s at the moment and will get two more in May 2007. EI-DUO and EI-DUZ one -301 and one -203.
Dermot Mannion Aer Lingus CEO said that two more will be ready for deployment in 2008.


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