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Western Airlines Starts Ops Jan 18th  
User currently offlineDuncank From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 19 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Western Airlines will commence operations from Bellingham, WA to Ontario, San Diego, and Phoenix/Mesa (Williams Gateway) on January 18th. Flights will be operated by two Xtra Airways B.737-400's. Anyone know if they'll be painted in Western's scheme? Flights have apparently been selling well at iflywestern.com

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User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

Wonder what delta thinks of that ... didnt they buy the name right to??


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Western isn't trademarkable because it is a common word, right? Since nobody else flies with the name at this point, Delta can't claim they are trying to benefit by piggybacking on an existing product.


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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2353 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Now if only they take some 727s and DC-10s from Marana and put 'em back in service, it will just be like the glory days!  biggrin 


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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

What the hell? Seriously? An airline based out of Bellingham?

This should be interesting.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

BLI does make sense as it offers a cheaper alternative to SEA. Good luck and hope they make it this time without being bought by a major US carrier.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

There are still seats available on the inaugural BLI-ONT flight...if I wasn't in class that day, I'd probably get myself a ticket.


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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 4):
What the hell? Seriously? An airline based out of Bellingham?

Gotta say that was my first reaction when I read this. Didn't really think the BLI terminal was big enough for an airline to base their entire operations there, but I hope they make it. It'd be great for the city!

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User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 602 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 5):
BLI does make sense as it offers a cheaper alternative to SEA.

I think their intent, however is to be the cheaper alternative to YVR.



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User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

Well congrats to William's Gateway, this will be their second scheduled airline. Some day, PHX will need a reliever, and believe it or not (I never expected to see it so soon), they are well on their way! Let's see some major air service enter the market!

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

Who are the people involved with this operation and their backgrounds? The website has nothing other than a couple names in a press release. I am very skeptical.

User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 9):
Some day, PHX will need a reliever, andrnbelieve it or not (I never expected to see it so soon), they are wellrnon their way!

Williams-Gateway still has a long ways to go, and major infusion of cash will be needed to promote and support service. Vision is down to 2 flights at week to North Las Vegas, Skytours or whatever the name is, will be only seasonal, then again as in the old Clint Eastwood movie,,Who goes to Arizona in the Summer Time (please note that I sub Arizona for Tucson) and Western well we'll see. WGA needs to subsidize an regional airline to LAX and maybe DFW or DEN.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

They have futuristic plans. According to their website they are showing the current station manager vacancies

Station Manager - Denver, CO
Station Manager - Palm Springs, CA
Station Manager - Oakland, CA
Station Manager - Las Vegas, NV
Station Manager - Salt Lake City, UT
Station Manager - Dallas, TX



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 12):
They have futuristic plans

Funny, I didn't see an ad for a manager at Olympus Mons or anything like that. All those airports exist today!



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
Skytours or whatever the name is, will be only seasonal

SkyValue USA

I see Western have dropped Reno from their plans. They announced flights from Reno to SAN and BLI on the same day as Southwest announced SAN-Reno. No surprise SNA-RNO hasn't started but I guess BLI-RNO wasn't doing too well so it got axed as well



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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

Quoting Bohica (Reply 10):
The website has nothing other than a couple names in a press release.

I did not find their website; could you please send the URL?


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

I did a little looking about the airline, and found a few articles that were interesting about the co-founders. Just scroll through and look for the articles relating to Western Airlines. I found somewhere that they wanted to operate MD-80's, but it looks like they decided to contract with XTRA. Interesting that the co-founder owns Commercial Aircraft Interiors.


http://www.thebellinghambusinessjournal.com/november_06/frontpage.html

http://www.nwbusinessmonthly.com/nwbm%202006/January/106business.html

http://www.commercialaircraftinteriors.com/



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3380 times:
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Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 15):
I did not find their website; could you please send the URL?

http://www.iflywestern.com/


User currently offlineSJC-Alien From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

I hope they last longer than 2 months, as I'll be in PHX in february, and I'll be able to get some video and prints.....

Alien


User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

F9Animal and Wedgetail737,
Thank you very much for the links!

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
Western isn't trademarkable because it is a common word, right? Since nobody else flies with the name at this point, Delta can't claim they are trying to benefit by piggybacking on an existing product.

I think the name "Western US Airlines" would make them get rid of any obstacle, besides being a more appropriate name.
I think there is some temerity or arrogance on an airline that uses a very extensive name... "Western Airlines" is not the only carrier from the whole West.
Hence, they should try to be so modest as their services.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 19):
"Western Airlines" is not the only carrier from the whole West.

No, but there are two ways of looking at a brand name. One is that the name is trying convey the "only or best" option in the market. But the other is just that the brand name is just descriptive of their product.

Here, Western indicates they operate in the West. As a North American carrier, we on this continent assume they mean Western USA/Canada/Mexico. While in South America, you might ask: "western what?" that isn't relevant, because the airline isn't marketed to you.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 8):
I think their intent, however is to be the cheaper alternative to YVR.

Yes.
Those international taxes are murder on the ticket...

Quoting Humberside (Reply 14):
I guess BLI-RNO wasn't doing too well so it got axed as well

You know Reno is going to be a tougher and tougher sell as time goes by.
No one has been affected more by the growth in Indian Gaming more than Reno. When the writing was on the wall, LAS and RNO chose 2 different paths.

Vegas got bigger, noisier, flashier, and brighter.

Reno focused on the non-gaming economy.
They are doing a good job...but, that means air-service levels more consistent to a city its size.
Because of gaming, Reno will always have a rainy-day cache of passengers, but it will never be like it was 20 years ago, when it was One of only 3 places like it in the U.S..

Take into consideration a few cities within the region that are as big, or bigger than Reno, but with much less airline activity:
Colorado Springs, Pueblo, Stockton, Modesto, Bakersfield, Salinas, Eugene, Spokane, Boise, Provo, Salem, are some that come to mind, in that population group.
Some of these places don't even have airline service...
But.
What I would love to see some kind of empirical data, comparing passengers to population....and the ratio. (And not the anecdotal evidence I purport!)



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 1):
Wonder what delta thinks of that ... didnt they buy the name right to??



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
Western isn't trademarkable because it is a common word, right?

I think DL allowed the Western trademarks to expire so this company was able to reregister them.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 4):
An airline based out of Bellingham?

BLI has turned into one of Allegiant's business stations.

There are a several old threads from November with more info about Western and links to various articles.
BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western
A New Western Airlines?
I Guess New Western Not To Serve RNO



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 14):
I see Western have dropped Reno from their plans. They announced flights from Reno to SAN and BLI on the same day as Southwest announced SAN-Reno. No surprise SNA-RNO hasn't started but I guess BLI-RNO wasn't doing too well so it got axed as well

The flight was originally a loop BLI-SAN-RNO-BLI. They could not make the numbers work for BLI-RNO without San Diego so both got dropped.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3131 times:
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Anyone plan to be at BLI for their inaugural services? I can't...I have to work.

User currently offline777FlyGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3056 times:

Western Airlines Starts Ops Jan 18th

Western Airlines Discontinues Ops Apr 18th (we all know it's inevitable, 3 months may be too generous).


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