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United 777 Service To Hawaii  
User currently offlineAAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 835 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13190 times:

Why does united send 777s to hawaii when no one else does this?

Also is it just me or does AA send it's oldest and most neat up aircraft to hawaii?
everyone else seems to send brand new A/c to hawaii, why does AA send it's 757s and older 767s when they are so uncomfortable?

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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13171 times:

UA is and has been the largest carrier of Passengers to/from Hawai'i pretty much forever. They have 4-5 daily flights from HNL to SFO and LAX plus daily service to DEN and ORD, multiple dailies to OGG and KOA, and they have more mainland flights to LIH than any other airline. UA's presence in Hawai'i is quite large, which is why they send their domestic 772 here....they haul alot of people and need equipment which can do it.

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25045 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13160 times:

United is the largest carrier to Hawaii, and has always been able to fill its largest aircraft to the islands. Prior to today's 777s, UAs mainstay on Hawaii routes was the DC-10 and classic B747s.

As far as other carriers and their 777s, none send them to Hawaii as all operate their 777s in premium cabin configurations and are limited by the lack of total airframes and their need for international flying. UA has a sub fleet domestically configured high-density 777s which are perfect match for the Hawaii flying.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30855 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13082 times:
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Quoting AAden (Thread starter):
Why does united send 777s to hawaii when no one else does this?

As noted, they command a significant share of the Hawai'i market so they can justify large widebodies.

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Also is it just me or does AA send it's oldest and most neat up aircraft to Hawaii? Everyone else seems to send brand new A/c to hawaii, why does AA send it's 757s and older 767s when they are so uncomfortable?

Well AA's Hawai'i 767s are two-class birds with International Business Class which puts UA's domestic First Class seats to shame.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13044 times:

Yep, Hawaii is United territory. Think of those specially configured DC8s in the 60s, 747s in the 70s, 80s and 90s, and now it's fitting that they should operate the pride of the fleet, the 777, on much of it's Hawaiian flying.


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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12969 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Well AA's Hawai'i 767s are two-class birds with International Business Class which puts UA's domestic First Class seats to shame.

You can say the same for UA's LAX-ORD, SFO-ORD, IAD-DEN, IAD-LAX, and others where UA takes their intl 777 with First suites, intl biz seats, on routes that AA would have an MD-80. Who is shameful now?  Smile



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6463 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12945 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 5):
You can say the same for UA's LAX-ORD, SFO-ORD, IAD-DEN, IAD-LAX, and others where UA takes their intl 777 with First suites, intl biz seats, on routes that AA would have an MD-80. Who is shameful now?

The airline that is most successful financially is not the shameful one. Besides, what the h--- is a shameful airline? Does it go around with its tail drooping?


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12900 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
Prior to today's 777s, UAs mainstay on Hawaii routes was the DC-10 and classic B747s.



Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 4):
Yep, Hawaii is United territory. Think of those specially configured DC8s in the 60s, 747s in the 70s, 80s and 90s, and now it's fitting that they should operate the pride of the fleet, the 777, on much of it's Hawaiian flying.

My mom was a FA for UA back in the 1970s. Back in the day, First Class aboard the 741s was literally a "flying resort," especially for service to HNL.


User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12847 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 5):
You can say the same for UA's LAX-ORD, SFO-ORD, IAD-DEN, IAD-LAX, and others where UA takes their intl 777

That is just for repositioning of aircraft between it's hub's, it has to get from point A to point B, so of course they will sell seats on the flight. AA does the same on MIA to DFW and out to LAX, and I think there is a ORD to DFW on the 777 as well. I have been on a 777 on UA between IAD and DEN, and a 744 between IAD and ORD, don't think for a second that thing goes out full.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30855 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12771 times:
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Quoting Boston92 (Reply 5):
You can say the same for UA's LAX-ORD, SFO-ORD, IAD-DEN, IAD-LAX, and others where UA takes their intl 777 with First suites, intl biz seats, on routes that AA would have an MD-80. Who is shameful now?  Smile

I was just responding to AAden's claim that AA's Hawai'i 767s were old and uncomfortable to UA's Hawai'i' 777s, not making a general comment about either airline. I have never flown AA and pretty much exclusively fly UA, so my bias, if any, would be to the Tulip.  Smile

Now when it comes to comparing both in Economy, UA's planes are more comfortable as they have wider seats on both the 767 and 777 (18" vs. 17") plus, with Economy Plus, more legroom.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12733 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
I was just responding to AAden's claim that AA's Hawai'i 767s were old and uncomfortable to UA's Hawai'i' 777s, not making a general comment about either airline. I have never flown AA and pretty much exclusively fly UA, so my bias, if any, would be to the Tulip. Smile

Now when it comes to comparing both in Economy, UA's planes are more comfortable as they have wider seats on both the 767 and 777 (18" vs. 17") plus, with Economy Plus, more legroom.

While the domestic 777s on UA are nothing to write home about, AA's 763s are a little bit beaten on, and while their int'l business class is superior to UA's domestic first, if you're back in cattle class, which most seats to hawaii are, UA is apt to give you a nicer ride.

It never ceases to amaze me how dirty and beat on some of AA's birds are... not to say the other airlines don't also have some sad metal flying around too, but honestly, I think NW's A330 service to hawaii is probably the best set up you are going to get mainland to hawaii.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12721 times:

I personally think that DL and CO have the best economy class to HNL. The 767-400ERs are modern and clean inside. UA's 777s also have a Signature Interior, but I am not much of a fan of the 2-5-2 seating. UA would be just as good as DL/CO if their 777s were in 3-3-3 configuration instead.


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User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12702 times:

This morning, I flew from KOA to ORD on UA 3. On Friday December 22, I flew from ORD to HNL on UA 1. There were no empty seats on either flight. In Y class, there was not much leg room either. The 777s on UA's Hawaii flights are configured differently from its 777s on international flights and many domestic flights. Business class is not available on UA flights to Hawaii. In contrast, the 777s that UA flies internationally and on mainland routes have 3-class configurations. A flight attendant told me that UA uses a different fleet of 777s for Hawaii than on its international and mainland routes. The 777s that UA uses on its Hawaii routes seem older, and they do not have PTVs. Although the flights between ORD and Hawaii are eight or nine hours, meal service is not included in the price of a ticket for passengers who are flying Y class. A limited selection of cold, boxed meals are available for purchase at $5 each. Do AA, DL, CO, and NW provide meals to their passengers at no additional charge on flights between Hawaii and the mainland?

User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12654 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 12):
Do AA, DL, CO, and NW provide meals to their passengers at no additional charge on flights between Hawaii and the mainland?

CO...yes
NW...no (had to purchase the meals)


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8101 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12655 times:

The 777s that UA uses on its Hawaii routes seem older, and they do not have PTVs

This isn't correct unfortunately. Many of the tail numbers delivered as domestic birds for Hawaii service came after the bulk of the -222ER fleet deliveries.



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User currently offlineAzncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12598 times:

Like many have mentions UA B777-200 service to Hawaii is capacity only. It¡¦s pretty much like a B767-300 with more seats and larger engines, domestic cabin layout and design. The Domestic B777-200 UA operated on Hawaii route are configured for Domestic usage. Don¡¦t expect much on these birds. Given that UA/AA/CO offers non-stop flights into HNL from their hubs from the Far East coast its still consider domestic. Why? Must I explain? Flights from east coast to Hawaii are about 8 to 9 hrs but still domestic, so in-flight services are domestic style. BOB and two or three rounds of drinks for those of us that sit in the back Y class. However, often times UA will substitute in their XP¡¦s or XI¡¦s to Hawaii as their 200¡¦s are out of service or one of their (HNL-NRT, HNL-KIX) birds are out.

FYI, during summer months UA sent B747-400 to Hawaii from SFO/LAX. These birds are usually are for Sydney flights but they do one or two runs during the day time.


User currently offlineAustralia1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12596 times:

Could these UA 777's make Australia from HNL nonstop ?

If so, then surely this is better option that UA 744 BNE/LAX ?


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30855 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12546 times:
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Quoting Australia1 (Reply 16):
Could these UA 777's make Australia from HNL nonstop?

The 777-222ER (XI and XP three-class) birds can, but the 777-200 (XA two-class and XC three-class) I don't believe have the legs.

Quoting Azncsa4qf744er (Reply 15):
If so, then surely this is better option that UA 744 BNE/LAX ?

There is more O&D demand LAX/SFO-SYD then LAX/SFO-HNL-SYD so the former makes more sense for UA then the latter.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8101 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12486 times:

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 16):
Could these UA 777's make Australia from HNL nonstop ?

If so, then surely this is better option that UA 744 BNE/LAX ?

You are positively obsessed with this idea. Seriously, it won't happen.



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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12483 times:
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Quoting AAden (Thread starter):
Also is it just me or does AA send it's oldest and most neat up aircraft to hawaii?
everyone else seems to send brand new A/c to hawaii, why does AA send it's 757s and older 767s when they are so uncomfortable?

Can't be worse than the birds they send to SJU.


User currently offlineCroCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12389 times:

Quoting AAden (Thread starter):
Why does united send 777s to hawaii when no one else does this?

United can fill a plane with 350 low yield passengers, thats why.

Quoting AAden (Thread starter):
Also is it just me or does AA send it's oldest and most neat up aircraft to hawaii?
everyone else seems to send brand new A/c to hawaii, why does AA send it's 757s and older 767s when they are so uncomfortable?

Are you new to aviation? or just this site?


User currently offlineMymiles2go From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12377 times:

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 8):
I have been on a 777 on UA between IAD and DEN, and a 744 between IAD and ORD, don't think for a second that thing goes out full.

Actually...they usually do, if they are attached to normal peak hub operations - which they are normally scheduled to do.


User currently offlineLorM From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 409 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12375 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 12):
This morning, I flew from KOA to ORD on UA 3. On Friday December 22, I flew from ORD to HNL on UA 1. There were no empty seats on either flight.

Absolutely gurantee you that they top the bird off with a bunch of non-revs. Most of F-class is. IMO UA 757 domestic F-class is the most comfortable and the least cramped. Then the domestic 777, and the 767 coming in a distant last.

UA 777s maximize the large volume of cargo that the islands bring in. UA was planning to use HNL as one of their United Cargo hubs, hence the large cargo handling facility on the north ramp. The huge refrigeration unit they have there is very impressive, one could easily drive a few trucks inside.



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User currently offlineJJeff From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12314 times:
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Quoting Mymiles2go (Reply 21):
Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 8):
I have been on a 777 on UA between IAD and DEN, and a 744 between IAD and ORD, don't think for a second that thing goes out full.



Quoting Mymiles2go (Reply 21):
Actually...they usually do, if they are attached to normal peak hub operations - which they are normally scheduled to do.

Exactly. Have been on 744 more than a few times for ORD-LAX and IAD-LAX in the last ten years where the plane is either completely full or oversold and where willing passengers are turned away.


User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12265 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 5):
You can say the same for UA's LAX-ORD, SFO-ORD, IAD-DEN, IAD-LAX, and others where UA takes their intl 777 with First suites, intl biz seats,



Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 8):

That's is just for repositioning of aircraft between it's hub's, it has to get from point A to point B, so of course they will sell seats on the flight.

That's not strictly true -- they need premium cabins on flights connecting to international hubs almost as much as on the international legs themselves, to offer a premium product over a larger portion of the total trip. LAX-IAD-Europe or LAX-IAD-South America for an international C or F fare is a lot more attractive if the LAX-IAD leg isn't in domestic F.


25 AAFLT1871 : The best I have seen on a 744 between IAD and ORD was about 60% load factor if that. When you have hourly service just about between the 2 hubs, it k
26 Australia1 : the aircraft that were used LAX/AKL/LAX before UA pulled out & codeshared with NZ ... where have they gone ? no but next move won't be out of SYD, as
27 777fan : Hmmm...the only carriers that send "brand new" a/c to Hawaii are CO, DL (764s) and TZ (738s). How often do you fly on the mainland? Very few US carri
28 Post contains links TrijetsRMissed : Actually the -222ER's were delivered after the -222's. So he is correct in his assumption. http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/United%20Airlines-activ
29 Aaron747 : " target=_blank>http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/U...7.htm airfleets.net has many mistakes in its database. UA's 777 listing is among them. N210UA-N
30 HAWAIIAN932 : I think HA's mainland -Hawaii service is outstanding, even in coach. You're given a choice of 2-3 meal selections at no cost. I use my miles to upgrad
31 Zvezda : For a few years in the 1990s, UA had 3 747-100s fitted out with 26F in the nose and about 450Y (I don't recall the exact number) and these were used f
32 SLCUT2777 : DL is cutting back the number of 764s they are sending out to the islands, and perhaps could eliminate that fleet type for Hawaii service entirely. W
33 Zvezda : It would be the perfect Ted destination except that the Ted fleet is not ETOPS certified.
34 UAL777UK : Whilst I accept the middle seat in the 5 at the rear is not the most pleasant, having flown BA on numerous occasions in Y, who offer a 3-3-3 config,
35 Stitch : I am going to hazard a guess UA used 777XPs on that route. As to where they have gone, I have recently flown on them NRT-SEA and ORD-FRA. I would be
36 AADC10 : I wonder if UA will continue to use 772s to HNL. Only ORD-HNL actually requires a 772 because of the distance while the others can be served by increa
37 Post contains images 777fan : I'm not so sure about that; I used to fly the ORD-HNL route quite frequently when I was a kid and can't remember there ever being an empty seat. I su
38 Laxintl : Not all 763s are created equal. The UA 2-class domestic 763s are lower gross weight variants than the AA international configured 763 which are full
39 Zvezda : Very, very rarely. Nearly everyone in First going to Hawaii is either upgraded, on an award ticket, or an employee. Paid F to Hawaii is almost as rar
40 777fan : Yes, this is true. I was responding to the earlier post that was ambiguous to the point of suggesting that 763s in general weren't capable of making
41 AAden : why do you assume this about three times a year to hawaii, It just seems like AA is a step behind.
42 777fan : AA is right in line with the other US majors. What you experience on AA may not necessarily be a problem that is specific to aircraft that fly to/fro
43 AAden : I fly AA a whole lot not just to hawaii, it seems like they just take a step down on the service level when going to hawaii.
44 DTWAGENT : UA is the only airline that does not charge for food on the ORD/HNL flights or from it DEN/HNL flights. AA and I believe DL charge Y pass. for food. I
45 Post contains links Aloha73G : Last I heard DL offered complimentary meals (sandwiches on my HNL-SFO last year) on its HNL flights. to quote www.Delta.com: "Complimentary meal serv
46 777fan : And as far as I can remember, I've paid for meals (not just snackboxes) on UA flights between HNL and ORD. The food on both AQ is supposed to be good
47 Planecrazy2 : UA serves buy on board on these flights sadly.
48 777fan : There's no reason to feel sad about it! The fact that you have to buy on board isn't bad (especially if you're flying on a HNL-ORD roundtrip for $549
49 ChicagoFlyer : I would agree--actually I'd say that First class does not have that high a % of employees. Hawaii flying is where the elites burn their miles on a fa
50 777fan : Mrs. 777fan and I have found that it's relatively easy to obtain Y-class saver tickets from HNL to the West Coast on UA provided you're flexible enou
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