Md11sdf From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20346 times:
Greetings from Louisville, Kentucky (KSDF)!
Like many others, I have been reading the A-Net forums for a many years but never became an active member, aside from uploading my scanned prints prior to the Digital-Revolution. Reading the thread about a plane down at SXM is what prompted me to finally jump off the fence and join the party.
I was thinking about those airports that have a large group of spotters and aviation photographers around them during most days. AMS, LHR, HKG, LAX and especially MIA come to mind immediately. I have made two "pilgrimages" to worship at the temple of exotic airliners (Miami) twice. The first time was January of 1997 and I recall seeing many spotters and photographers all aroung the perimeter. Nothing gets more attention than a classic "smoker" on the move. I shoot primarily video and will hold on a 707 or DC-8 taking off until it's several miles out after takeoff, because I LOVE the great clouds of smoke hanging in the sky and the rumble. In August of '97, a Fine Air DC-8-61F (N27UA) crashed a mile off runway 27 Right. How was this tragic event NOT captured by any print or video photographers who were there at the time? Prior to 9-11, you could go on top of the large parking garages near the west end of the airport, by the air cargo terminal. I have shot much video from up there and can't help but feel that there must have been SOMEBODY up there with a camera at the time.
Perhaps someone DID get it, but those images were turned over to the NTSB to aid in the investigation and never made public. I caught several Fine DC-8-61's on my 1997 tapes, but can't read the registrations. Does anyone familiar with these aircraft know if N27UA had strobe lights on it's wingtips? In my October of 1999 MIA visit, I shot a great yellow/green DC-3 landing (N54AA) and later learned (through a search of the photo database) that it crashed less than a year after I had photographed it. It's a spooky feeling...
The closest I have come to capturing an accident on video was in December of '05 when an Atlas Air 747-200F landed with number three and four engine thrust reversers inop. All of the CFR equipment was waiting for it to touch down and idle reverse was used on one and two with heavy braking. The pilot showed great skill keeping the aircraft on the runway, but for a very nervous moment, I thought that it would be ME capturing an accident on video. I was very glad they were successful. Do any of you have similar stories to share?
As my first post, I certainly don't want to give the impression that I am some sort of sick bastard. I have been in love with flying machines since I was a kid on the early 1970's. I was just wondering if an airline accident HAD ever been captured from multiple angles by photographers who were there.
And now for something completely different...
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
LOUISVILLE, where your camera may as well be a stinger misslie to the Airport Police.
Fatal accident during Malta Aero GP. Two of the racing aircraft seem to have collided, both aircraft crashing into the sea. Seen here is the second aircraft to crash in the sea, with the pilot seen parachuting. On the surface of the sea, you can see parts of the first aircraft to crash, unfortunately killing the pilot Gabor Varga.
Sadly, "Airliners.net" and "taste" do not belong in the same sentence.
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Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19779 times:
Just to be clear, these sorts of photos have definite value. There's a difference between a tragic photo and a morbid or tasteless photo - lots of newsworthy events are tragic, yet photos of them serve several purposes. Is it "tasteless" whenever somebody shows the Zapruder film of JFK's assassination in order to reconstruct the events of that day? What about the Hindenburg disaster? How are photos like those shown above any more tasteless?
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Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3993 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19742 times:
Thankfully my witness to a potential crash with cameras ended up nothing more than an display of expert piloting.
One day last May, I was out doing my weekly grocery shopping and as a former wire service photog, I learned over the years to always carry my gear at all times and the following events would prove that to be sage advice. Anywhoo, as my grocery store where I frequent is near IAH, my gut told me to swing by IAH. I soon caught glimpse of 4 News Choppers hovering above runway 9 near the now closed off Cell Phone Lot. I quickly made my way to the lot where there were quite a few vehicles both official and locals. I soon learned that a MSP bound COEX ERJ blew 2 tires on take off and was circling the airport burning off fuel. After 10 minutes or so, HPD showed up in force chasing off all non-essential personal out. However before HPD swept in, I managed a few shots of low flyby....
Later, I made my way to 'C' terminal, assuming that the ERJ would use 9 for it's landing. However I, along with a number of other of curious spectators were informed that the plane would be using one of the 15s. Those of us that could, got into our cars, we made our way to the A/B garage. After an hour or so, COEX 3161 make it's final to 15L (great from a photographer's perspective as it is closest to our vantage point). The plane touches down on the undamaged gear first and then the damaged wheels, while kicking up a lot of smoke....
This photo was submitted to A.Net but was removed due to the fact that I had photoshopped out a light post that was dissecting the center portion of the plane (rather sloppily). Had I not been in such a hurry and notified the screeners of this ahead of time then the photo might still be in the DB, oh well, live and learn.
Dazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2921 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19712 times:
I've never photographed an accident / incident in progress (apart from minor incidents), but even if I was witness to one, I'd have to think long and hard about uploading the photo's here. I've got photo's of the helicopter which recently went down in Morecambe Bay, Uk with the loss of 6 lives, and one still missing. The seventh person is unlikely to be found alive, but fingers crossed his boby is found so the berieved family can at least give him a proper send off. As stated in previous posts, my sincere condolances go out to them.
I was in a situated where I had photo's of a perticular aircraft and the British media wanted the photo's as soon as I could send them, and they were offereing silly money for rights to use them. What do you do? It's not a nice position to find yourself in. In one hand, you want to give them permission to use your photo's since you prepared long and hard for them and invested in equipment and time to get them (bearing in mind I'm refering to photo's of the said aircraft, not the actual incident). But on the other hand, there may be, and in my case, there were fatalities in the incident. It's a very hard judgement call on whether to release the photo's to the media. In my case, the photo's were of some of the crew involved doing what they liked best - flying aricraft. In any other situation, there is no way I'd release the photo's, especially when they were going global (they were releases to the BBC Worldwide service amungst others). I selectively released certain photo's of the said aircraft, non-dispict of the aircrew.
It's not a black and white question to ask. I've offered to release the photo's to the people who need to see them. I'll emphasise they aren't of the actual incident, but are some of the last seen of the aircraft before the incident. It's more of a moral issue than anything and not a nice position to be in.
All the best for the new year,
Equipment: 2x Canon EOS 50D; Sigma 10-20 EX DC HSM, 50-500 EX APO DG, Canon 24-105 f/4 L, Speedlite 430EX
GQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 19551 times:
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 1): For taste reasons, I doubt airliners.net would post pictures where there was a crash with fatalities...
There were several pictures of the AA 762 submitted and approved the day of the engine fire at LAX. Seems the next day they were deleted, and all you can find now is the single shot from across the airport.
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 19516 times:
I was witness to the crash (landing) of a Manx Airlines ATP at Manchester a few years ago - I didn't have a camera with me at the time but I will never forget the moment the whole airport fell silent as the props collided with the runway. The sound sent shivers down my spine!
Luckily the pilot averted disaster and no-one was seriously injured. It was impressive in a strange kind of way but not something I wish to see again.
JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19033 times:
I would make to fast copies and give one to authorities if it would help in anyway. Now it probably would not a good idea to show a body, but if your
filming you know where to stop if your uploading and your tape is close up..
Sort of like the saddam hanging , we saw the rope arond the neck just before the pull but we did not see his neck and head twisted around ( ive seen it ugh)
But be concerned of your safety and dont put your own self in the line of fire to become another fatality. If you are able and can be one of the first at the seen, screw the pics and help get the people out of the a/c if possible....
Eddieho From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 229 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17147 times:
I was one of the survivors on the Air France 358 flight.... its one of the worst photos I've ever taken and since the accident I have lost much interest as an airline enthusiast. It took a while for me (and other passengers) to recover - its definitely one of the worst experiences in the world. Believe me - you dont want to be a witness or a victim of such accidents, it spoils your entire hobby for you.
Here the photos I had taken - I havent considered uploading them yet to airliners.net:
JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16910 times:
My god how lucky there are orbs all over those pics,,,,.my freind things these
round things called orbs are good luck and the dead looking over you,,, she took me to a cemetary,,, i took pictures and ill be darned if they werent there,,, i looked the other way there wer none,,, i dont belive in them but i looked it up and it is on the net..
MarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16403 times:
Quoting Eddieho (Reply 15): I was one of the survivors on the Air France 358 flight
Eddie, I remember first seeing your pictures shortly after a crash and thought how valuable your photos will be in training cabin crew on evacuation procedures. It was remarkable that you were able to take these pictures; the pictures of people holding their bags as they leave, the failed evacuation slides, and the path of the evacuees are all important safety issues that makes this picture valuable for cabin crew training.
Kudos to you for posting them.
Quoting Eddieho (Reply 15): ven TSB has yet to release their final report to the public
I was curious about that too...it's been a long while! I hope it is to be released soon.
Release your seat-belts and get out! Leave everything!
DeC From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15282 times:
Glad you made it out ok and thank you so much for sharing those unbelievable important photos with us. Welcome to my respected users-list.
Btw, did you ever had the chance to write something (an article, post, blog entry etc) about your experience that day and / or would you or anyone else know of a similar article by another survivor of the crash? It really interests me.
Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 21): the pictures of people holding their bags as they leave, the failed evacuation slides, and the path of the evacuees are all important safety issues that makes this picture valuable for cabin crew training.
Indeed, a lot of our training involves looking back at previous accidents & incidents and seeing what the crew had to deal with.
Lifes a train racing towards you, now you can either run away or grab a chair & a beer and watch it come - Phil