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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3296 times:
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Happy new year for all A.Net members !

Just to consolidate all information for Brazilian Aviation during the next year, already published or just rumors.

From Varig:
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Effective January 13 , Varig will return to VIX, LDB, CNF and improve SSA, CGH (their new main hub), POA, CWB and GIG. During the year, they will upgrade CWB-CGH, POA-CGH and BSB-CGH.

RG2032 CWB 1120 CGH 1231 1323 CNF 1423
RG2033 CNF 1440 CGH 1549 1609 CWB 1708

RG2782 POA 1927 CGH 2057 2128 GIG 2220 2308 REC 0053
RG2783 REC 0310 GIG 0705 0744 CGH 0844 0916 POA 1044

RG2750 CGH 0852 GIG 0952 1030 VIX 1130
RG2751 VIX 1200 GIG 1307 1337 CGH 1437
RG2752 CGH 1332 GIG 1431 1510 VIX 1610
RG2753 VIX 1700 GIG 1800 1846 CGH 1947

RG2662 CGH 0644 PLU 0735
RG2663 PLU 0834 CGH 0933

RG2886 CGH 1048 BPS 1148
RG2887 BPS 1216 CGH 1526

RG2882 CGH 1502 SSA 1615
RG2883 SSA 1645 CGH 2013
RG2884 CGH 2128 SSA 2240
RG2885 SSA 0456 CGH 0826

Effective March 05,
RG2014 12345-- 733 GRU1524 BSB1655
RG2620 1234567 733 CGH0656 BSB0830
RG2623 1234567 733 BSB0900 CGH1029
RG2624 1234567 733 CGH1048 BSB1214
RG2627 1234567 733 BSB1300 CGH1430
RG2636 1234567 733 CGH1702 CGH1830

RG2700 1234567 733 CGH0644 CWB0741
RG2701 1234567 733 CWB0810 CGH0903
RG2702 1234567 733 CGH1250 CWB1350
RG2757 1234567 733 CWB1120 CGH1222
RG2705 1234567 733 CWB1426 CGH1526

RG2797 1234567 733 POA1305 CGH1437
RG2801 1234567 733 POA1702 CGH1834
RG2802 1234567 733 CGH2128 POA2257
RG2803 1234567 733 POA1929 CGH2057
RG2804 1234567 733 CGH1111 POA1236

Effective March, 06
RG2791 1234567 733 POA0700 CGH0826
RG2621 1234567 733 BSB0717 CGH0844

International

GRU-CCS become daily with 763
GRU-MAO-BOG will run daily 733
GRU-EZE-GIG-EZE-GRU remains daily 733

Rumors (international) not confirmed:

GIG-GRU-JFK returning by march
GIG-GRU-LHR or GRU-GIG-LHR returning by march
GIG-FRA returning by April
GRU-MAD returning by April

Fleet figures unclear!

Gol
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16 aircraft to be received during 2007 (all 738, including 13-14 737-800 SFP)

New destinations to be served: MEX, LIM, CCS & BOG - international
Cabo Frio - confirmed as a domestic (also to EZE)

They are really looking to Florida, and a MAO-MIA or MAO-FLL flight could not be a major surprise.

Tam
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2 A332 and about 15 A320/A319 to be received during 2007.

Begin 3rd flight to CDG (from GIG) and 1st flight to MXP (from GRU). A new long haul route should be announced by the 2nd/3rd quarter (could be GIG-MIA or JFK). In South America, will begin 2nd daily SCL service.

Looking to begin LIM with own aircraft, not confirmed yet.

WebJet
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To receive their 3rd 737-300 by February. Looking for GIG-BSB and GIG-SSA. Just requested approval for a GIG-REC.

A 4th and 5th aircraft expected by 2007 also.

Ocean Air
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To begin their international destinations during 2007.

JNB, LOS, LAD, BOG, LIM and LAX probably during 2nd / 3rd quarter. Some 763 under negotiation.

For domestic network, probably will receive at least 2 more F100.

BRA
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Just sell 20% of it's stock to other investors including former Central Bank President and investor, Arminio Fraga.

Plans to lease 2 more 763 to improve services to MAD and LIS.

Domestic, they are looking for some 752 and more 733, not already confirmed.


International players
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SOUTH & CENTRAL AMERICA:

Aerolineas continue to upgrade it's network Brazil-Argentina, probably will run POA-EZE non-stop effective July (nowadays it's include a stop at MVD).
For the summer, will run some frequencies to Rio with A340 and B744.
Plans to run MIA or MAD thru GIG/GRU

LAN Argentina to begin EZE-GIG by mid-2007.

LAN just introduced their 5th flight to Brazil, looking to create year-round flights to FLN and SSA in order to face Gol competition.

PZ keep replacing some F100 by A320/A319. At least one more A320 is expected during 2007.

TA could run some non-stop flight to Rio during the Pan American Games. They just upgrade GRU to an A321, looking to add some more Brazilian services.

CM just begin GIG and keep plans to run this flight daily by June. I heard comments about a flight to the Northeast in the near future, if ANAC allows more frequencies.

NORTH AMERICA:

AC could upgrade flights to Brazil with another destination... to be confirmed (rumor).

CO/AA/UA/DL - They keep trying to obtain more frequencies with ANAC
*DL confirms ATL-GRU 6x weekly daily-light during IATA summer
*AA confirms GIG-MIA 2x daily during IATA winter

AA and UA keep unused frequencies during the low season (AA - 5, UA - 7 weekly)

AFRICA:

TAAG to keep 3x weekly service to Rio

SAA announced 3x additional weekly flights to Guarulhos, not already available.

EUROPE:

TP keep plans for a new route to Brazil (BSB is on the spotlight) as well as NAT could become daily (now 6x weekly) as well as they informed keep looking for a 2x daily service to both GIG and GRU.

AF will introduce a 2x daily service to GIG by October. Reintroducing the 77W to GRU during the IATA winter also.

BA will run again 3x additional flights during the IATA winter

LH and AZ looking to upgrade Brazilian flights.

ASIA:

EK is the star of the year, will begin a 6x weekly service to GRU.

Qatar is also expected with a 2x or 3x weekly service.


ATC:

We expect a major investment by the government to avoid the problems faced during 2006.

AIRPORTS:

SDU, GYN and VIX are expected to be ready during the 2nd quarter with major improvements (gates & more comfort). CGH should be concluded also (missing only 20% of all improvements).


That's it for now.

Happy 2007 !

Felipe

[Edited 2007-01-01 07:17:29]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):

Rumors (international) not confirmed:

GIG-GRU-JFK returning by march
GIG-GRU-LHR or GRU-GIG-LHR returning by march
GIG-FRA returning by April
GRU-MAD returning by April

Don't forget MIA. I was talking to some people at MIA last week. Varig plans to be back by the end of April. Much higher priority than NYC, which is served by Delta, TAM, American, Continental, and JAL, while MIA just has partners AA and TAM.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3262 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Don't forget MIA. I was talking to some people at MIA last week. Varig plans to be back by the end of April. Much higher priority than NYC, which is served by Delta, TAM, American, Continental, and JAL, while MIA just has partners AA and TAM.

I forget about MIA, and you're right about the priority, MIA will come before JFK for sure.
Also, for Varig is better to run MIA with 763 without PTV than JFK (where AA service is with 777, JAL uses 744, Tam will next week introduce again the First Class with a better A332 again with AVOD, CO uses a far better 762 and only DL is using a 763 without PTV).

Felipe



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3177 times:

Hay Felipe! Very nice future trip report of what will be Brazil in 2007! Lots of changes in fleets and routes! Certainly, i feel, like JJ, G3, Ocean and BRA are going for everything! Also RG's return and expansion sounds now more accurate than those days were they almost routed B777 or M11 to GRU-CCS!

I would love to see JJ, G3s and RG's stats for 2006 to see the picture! Lots of changes in Brazil! I hope MX lands this year at GRU with its 5X on the table!



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User currently offlineJog From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 273 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Thanks, Felipe for this consolidation and a happy new year to you!

May I add to your list that (old) Varig will leave Star Alliance by 31st January (or should I say "was kicked out"?). New Varig seems to be interested, but nothing clear yet. This fact is interesting when looking at LH because if RG is not a member of Star anymore, a collaboration between LH and JJ might be feasible. JJ made its interest already more or less public when saying that they want to fly to FRA if finding a strong local partner. That TAM is nowadays interesting as a partner for almost any airline flying to Brazil is, I think, out of the question.

As customers let's hope that all these new flights will help to decrease prices from the currently very high level.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3125 times:
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Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 3):
I would love to see AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ, G3s and RG's stats for 2006 to see the picture! Lots of changes in Brazil! I hope MX lands this year at GRU with its 5X on the table!

What kind of stats you want... i can try to provide, let me know.

Concerning to MX, they can't land that much at GRU, the bilateral states up to 12 weekly flights at GRU and AM is running nowadays 9. Same for brazilian side, they only could land 12x weekly at MEX. Also, AM is paying a very high

Better to expect MX landing at GIG.

Quoting Jog (Reply 4):
Thanks, Felipe for this consolidation and a happy new year to you!

Same to you my friend. Wish you the best !

Quoting Jog (Reply 4):
May I add to your list that (old) Varig will leave Star Alliance by 31st January (or should I say "was kicked out"?). New Varig seems to be interested, but nothing clear yet. This fact is interesting when looking at LH because if RG is not a member of Star anymore, a collaboration between LH and AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ might be feasible. AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ made its interest already more or less public when saying that they want to fly to FRA if finding a strong local partner. That TAM is nowadays interesting as a partner for almost any airline flying to Brazil is, I think, out of the question.

Of course you may!
But i can't believe in a AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ/LH partnership. But the market is still growing and probably we will see during the year a new GRU-FRA as well as a resume on GIG-FRA. "New" Varig is still looking to become partner on Star Alliance which could not help AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ plans.

Quoting Jog (Reply 4):
As customers let's hope that all these new flights will help to decrease prices from the currently very high level

Will be, we have 2 new daily services announced to Paris and 1 to MXP. Just to keep growing at the current levels (7%) it's enough, but if we consider the loads are very high nowadays (closer to 85% on mostly routes), Brazil-Europe needs at least 6 new services during 2007.

Felipe



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

Hey Felipe! Thank you for this report. Very usefull and informative.

First question: Who is flying the route still from the MAO-MIA flights? TAM is still operating these flights I believe and IIRC Lloyd Aero Boliviano discontinued this service awhile back with the 767? Is there any other airline offering this route such as AA? If not, what is the frequency on this for TAM? I know I have done this flight once on Lloyd Aero Boliviano and that is it.

Second question: Does GOL look like it is trying to take over the routes that RG used to fly? Or is GOL trying to do its own thing for right now?

Third question: Will we see another Brasilian airline like TAM into LAX or SFO?

Last question: Who is operating flights into BVB? RG pulled out of this route from MAO and just wondering what the traffic is now at BVB.

Thanks Felipe a bunch! Happy new year buddy

Kyle
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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 6):

First question: Who is flying the route still from the MAO-MIA flights? TAM is still operating these flights I believe and IIRC Lloyd Aero Boliviano discontinued this service awhile back with the 767? Is there any other airline offering this route such as AA? If not, what is the frequency on this for TAM? I know I have done this flight once on Lloyd Aero Boliviano and that is it.

TAM flies Miami-Manaus non-stop daily, year-round.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 6):

Third question: Will we see another Brasilian airline like TAM into LAX or SFO?

LAX, maybe. Ocean Air has hinted they may like to fly there, but, IMO, they will never be flying outside of Brazil.

SFO, no. There really is not a market. The days when airlines flew to LAX/SFO/ORD/JFK/MIA/IAD just for the hell of it are over.



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
SFO, no. There really is not a market. The days when airlines flew to LAX/SFO/ORD/JFK/MIA/IAD just for the hell of it are over.

So then you do not think that UA could fly SFO-GRU-GIG? I would like to see TAM at SFO or RG (never will happen) in this airport. But that is because of my own greed for them closer  Smile

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
LAX, maybe. Ocean Air has hinted they may like to fly there, but, IMO, they will never be flying outside of Brazil.

I agree. I do not see Ocean Air outside of Brasil.

Thanks for the info MAH

Kyle



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
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Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 6):
Second question: Does GOL look like it is trying to take over the routes that RG used to fly? Or is GOL trying to do its own thing for right now?

Yes, they are improving their network including ex-RG flights. Also more flight by its own.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 6):
Third question: Will we see another Brasilian airline like TAM into LAX or SFO?

Yes, i believe in the 3rd quarter 2007 as GRU-BOG-LAX.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 6):
Last question: Who is operating flights into BVB? RG pulled out of this route from MAO and just wondering what the traffic is now at BVB.

Nowadays:
JJ 3745 BVB 1300 MAO-BSB-GIG Daily except Sunday
G3 1783 BVB 0035 MAO-BSB-GIG Daily

G3 1782 GIG-BSB-MAO-BVB 0005 Daily
JJ 3744 GIG-BSB-MAO-BVB 1235 Daily except Sunday

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
LAX, maybe. Ocean Air has hinted they may like to fly there, but, IMO, they will never be flying outside of Brazil.

January 5 they will fly GRU-CGB-LIM to obtain the necessary approvals at LIM in order to begin the flight during the next 3 months.
They are training some staff for the 763 in order to begin GRU-BOG-LAX service as well as services to Africa (GIG-GRU-SSA-LAD).

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 6):
Thanks Felipe a bunch! Happy new year buddy

Same to you buddy!

Felipe

[Edited 2007-01-02 00:47:42]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):

January 5 they will fly GRU-CGB-LIM to obtain the necessary approvals at LIM in order to begin the flight during the next 3 months.
They are training some staff for the 763 in order to begin GRU-BOG-LAX service as well as services to Africa (GIG-GRU-SSA-LAD).

That's great, and I hope I'm proven wrong, but I still do not believe we will see Ocean Air at LAX or anywhere in Africa anytime soon.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3035 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
That's great, and I hope I'm proven wrong, but I still do not believe we will see Ocean Air at LAX or anywhere in Africa anytime soon

I have to say that i keep high doubts about Ocean Air plans despite their recently activities.

Felipe



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Nowadays:
JJ 3745 BVB 1300 MAO-BSB-GIG Daily except Sunday
G3 1783 BVB 0035 MAO-BSB-GIG Daily

G3 1782 GIG-BSB-MAO-BVB 0005 Daily
JJ 3744 GIG-BSB-MAO-BVB 1235 Daily except Sunday

It is nice to see JJ in there not at the midnight flights. That is one thing I just hated was flying into MAO at 11am and waiting till 12am to fly out to BVB. Good to hear. So I am assumeing that G3 took RGs slot correct?

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Yes, they are improving their network including ex-RG flights. Also more flight by its own.

So is G3 taking RGs slots at these airports?

Thanks Felipe!



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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
(could be GIG-MIA or JFK).

Anyone know how likely this is? GIG was served at various times over the years nonstop from JFK, mostly by RG. I do not think it was that succesful, as it was started, and stopped many times...



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2974 times:
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Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 12):
It is nice to see JJ in there not at the midnight flights. That is one thing I just hated was flying into MAO at 11am and waiting till 12am to fly out to BVB. Good to hear. So I am assumeing that G3 took RGs slot correct?

Yes in the case of BVB they are flying just on the same time RG use to fly.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 12):
So is G3 taking RGs slots at these airports?

In some cases, but in general Gol is improving some routes more than RG use to fly in the past. For example Varig use to fly 6x daily GIG-BSB, Gol nowadays alone runs 9 daily flights.

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 13):
Anyone know how likely this is? GIG was served at various times over the years nonstop from JFK, mostly by RG. I do not think it was that succesful, as it was started, and stopped many times...

Flyguy, now i live in New York and take part of the Chamber of Commerce Brazil-US here, i can say to you there is space for a GIG-JFK flight nowadays. AA alone get 1,500 to 1,900 monthly pax, Tam probably around 1,000 and not to mention about DL, JL and CO. And the number is only concerning to Rio-New York, not considering connections.
Also, Vale do Rio Doce, Telemar, Eletrobras, Petrobras, IRB, Insurance Market and many other major players keep their HQ in Rio and use to visit NYC very often (PETR + RIO + TELEMAR are responsible for more than 45% of Brazilian ADR deals in NYSE).
In the past, i believe that problems with currency (the devaluations in 1999 and 2001), the air crisis in 2001 (UA, CO, AA and DL reduced services to Brazil), and the fact that during 1996 and 2003 Infraero reduced the connections out of GIG, reduced attractive of GIG, but since 2004 the flights returned, more companies join the NYSE, tourism grow a little, currency is now on a good rate again... so i think it's a different time, and could work now.

Felipe



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
CM just begin GIG and keep plans to run this flight daily by June. I heard comments about a flight to the Northeast in the near future, if ANAC allows more frequencies.

SSA, REC or FOR, what would it be? I would expect ANAC to allow CM extra frequencies to one of those 3 before destinations like CNF, BSB, POA, CWB....



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User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
AIRPORTS:

SDU, GYN and VIX are expected to be ready during the 2nd quarter with major improvements (gates & more comfort). CGH should be concluded also (missing only 20% of all improvements).

I don't know how the works are going in GYN and SDU, but you can cut VIX out of that list, unless you are talking about 3rd quarter of 2008.

Rgs,

Neo


User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Thanks LipGIG for taking the time to post the consolidated info on a single post. That is very informative.

One question on SDU. Will it see more domestic flights or continued to be mostly the CGH shuttle flights? How many gates will it have when the construction is done? Will all the gates now be via jetbridge?

Thanks again.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 17):
One question on SDU. Will it see more domestic flights or continued to be mostly the CGH shuttle flights? How many gates will it have when the construction is done? Will all the gates now be via jetbridge?

It seems that since there are CGH-PLU flights, maybe there'll be some SDU-PLU too?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2622 times:
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Quoting Baron95 (Reply 17):
One question on SDU. Will it see more domestic flights or continued to be mostly the CGH shuttle flights? How many gates will it have when the construction is done? Will all the gates now be via jetbridge?



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
It seems that since there are CGH-PLU flights, maybe there'll be some SDU-PLU too?

Baron / 2Travel2Know, SDU will keep only with Rio-Sao Paulo shuttle service. Services like SDU-UDI-PLU are running nowadays with turbo-propellers (ATR42), and are possible with any aircraft (not jet!) under 50 seats. Jets to other destinations, other than CGH, need to use GIG.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 15):
SSA, REC or FOR, what would it be? I would expect ANAC to allow CM extra frequencies to one of those 3 before destinations like CNF, BSB, POA, CWB....

If i'm CM, looking for pax and cargo, for sure will be PTY-REC but BSB can also be the next destination in Brazil.

Felipe



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2567 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
some staff for the 763 in order to begin GRU-BOG-LAX service

I´m wondering if the 767-300ER will make it to LAX from BOG without payload restrictions...its a 7 hour flight.

Have RG added more 737s to accomodate expansion???



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User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
Jets to other destinations, other than CGH, need to use GIG.

What is the reason for this restriction? It made sense while the airport was under heavy construction. But after construction is done, it should be able to accomodate some non shuttle flights, no?

Is this an attempt to make a bigger hub out of GIG? Kind of a tropical Wright Ammendment?  Smile

Thanks.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 21):
What is the reason for this restriction? It made sense while the airport was under heavy construction. But after construction is done, it should be able to accomodate some non shuttle flights, no?

Is this an attempt to make a bigger hub out of GIG? Kind of a tropical Wright Ammendment?

Overcrowded and way too busy while GIG was under-served. Same thing happened with PLU/CNF.

Cheers



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 20):
I´m wondering if the 767-300ER will make it to LAX from BOG without payload restrictions...its a 7 hour flight.

I think so. AM sends its 763ER to SCL from MEX and I do not think it goes out weight-restricted. Of course I could be wrong.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2364 times:
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Quoting Baron95 (Reply 21):
What is the reason for this restriction? It made sense while the airport was under heavy construction. But after construction is done, it should be able to accommodate some non shuttle flights, no?

Also adding some info to PP-VRA comments, while you keep 2 terminals at GIG, SDU is a very little one, and with a very restricted runway (1309m) so it could only run flights to places like CWB, BSB, VIX, CNF and CGH. Without such flights, GIG become an empty airport, and international flights would be not so attractive because of the lack of connections. During 10 years it produces the transfer of most int'l services from GIG to GRU.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 20):
I´m wondering if the 767-300ER will make it to LAX from BOG without payload restrictions...its a 7 hour flight.

Considering a 767-300ER could fly around 11 hours, i think they could run the flight without payload restrictions even from BOG.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
25 RCS763AV : BOG´s altitude limits aircraft range a lot more than you think. AV´s 763s had to do the Europe runs half-full when they didn´t have enough 762s. S
26 Incitatus : I just noticed American Airlines will be running Dallas-SaoPaulo 12 times a week over July and August 2007.
27 LipeGIG : In fact from June 10 to September 2nd. AA981/AA982 (returning.. nowadays they are the second flight to SCL) 5 times per week as per your comment. Fel
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