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Adam Air Flight Loses Contact During Flight  
User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 60814 times:

Breaking news:

A passenger plane has lost contact during a flight between Java and Sulawesi, says Adam Air.

Aviation authorities have been unable to contact Adam Air flight KI-574.

The company's leading executive Gunawan Suherman said: "We can't say what happen yet, we are still coordinating."

The Boeing 737-400 was carrying 96 passengers, including seven children, four infants and six crew, Indonesia's El-Shinta radio reported.

A news conference has been scheduled at 2pm GMT.

Indonesian Transport Minister Hatta Radjasa confirmed the plane had lost contact, but could provide no details.

[Edited 2007-01-01 13:51:34]

243 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 60753 times:

what was your initial source?

User currently offlineFlykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 443 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 60743 times:

Quoting Jasond (Reply 1):
what was your initial source?

For those quick to doubt the original poster's authenticity...


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1245632,00.html?f=dta



One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time
User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60677 times:

Quoting Flykal (Reply 2):
For those quick to doubt the original poster's authenticity...

That was unfair, I was NOT at all doubting the poster especially given the subject matter, I was simply trying to obtain a link, you may apologise whenever you are ready


User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60646 times:

Let's just hope for the best for flight KI-574.  pray 

User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60611 times:

Sky are speculating it ran out of fuel

User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60525 times:

Also reports that the weather in the region was very poor - but I cannot get a metar/sigmet/equivalent for the area - so not sure if weather is a factor or not.

[Edited 2007-01-01 14:43:06]

User currently offlinePotter From Norway, joined Oct 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60505 times:

Channel News Asia is reporting 102 pax on board. This article also reports a simular incident last year, where an Adam Air airliner lost all communication and navigation systems for four hours during a flight between Jakarta and Makassar:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...fp_asiapacific/view/250162/1/.html


User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60488 times:

FlightStats say it was scheduled to arrive at MDC at 4:15pm local, thats long since passed now, here's hoping everything is OK

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60445 times:

Although nobody does know so far what exactly has happened, if this ends up going wrong then it was a disaster in waiting. Just check every post on Indonesian aviation on this forum and read the warnings by just about every poster acquainted with domestic aviation in here.

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60468 times:

Pic of similar plane from Adam Air,
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...=7&prev_id=1119081&next_id=1119077


User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1344 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60366 times:

I am hoping for a good outcome, but it is not looking likely. Best of luck to all on board.

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60377 times:

The B734s was built between 1986-1999.

User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1898 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60320 times:

Oh no.... to bad! I hope that they only lost the contact as some months ago.

But as our user Mandala499 say in another thread:

Quoting Mandala499:

Safe: Garuda, Merpati (Jet), Sriwijaya, Express, Batavia (A319 only)
Safe-ish: Mandala, Indonesia Air Asia, Kartika
Mild Risk: Merpati (prop), Batavia (A319 excluded), Lion Air (MD90 and 734)
Big Risk: Adam Air, Wings Air, Lion Air (non 734)


User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60274 times:

Sky News does say Last year, one of its jetliners lost all communication and navigation systems for four hours during a flight between the Indonesian capital Jakarta and Makassar on Sulawesi Island. The pilot was forced to make an emergency landing.

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5301 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60249 times:

Holy cow! I was just watching seconds from disaster about the TWA800 flight...... Then in commercial break I read this..... How bizar...

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60212 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 13):
Oh no.... to bad! I hope that they only lost the contact as some months ago.

But as our user Mandala499 say in another thread:

It could be a simple radio failure which can happen on any airline, so I wouldn't point my finger to Adam Air (yet).



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60191 times:

Latest news here in CGK is that the flight left the East Javanese capital of Surabaya earlier this afternoon and was expected to arrive in the North Sulawesi capital of Manado at 16.23 local time (09.23 GMT). That is now over 5 hours ago, so it is safe to say that something serious happened. Last contact with the plane was around 14.00 local time (08.00 GMT) by ATC at Makassar Hasanudin International Airport in South Sulawesi.

User currently offlineFlykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 443 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60155 times:

From CNN:

The plane left Surabaya in East Java at 1:00 p.m. local time (0600 GMT) on a two-hour flight to Manado on the northern tip of Sulawesi island, Transport Ministry official Ichsan Tatang said.

It was still missing more than five hours later.


Although speculation, experience says that an aircraft missing for more than five hours without any notification to the company, is an aircraft down. In this day and age, this just doesn't happen without someone being notified. I would say, that unfortunately, we should expect the worse.



One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time
User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 60144 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 17):
it is safe to say that something serious happened

Well the news conference is only minutes away.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 59993 times:

It is reported in our Operations Control Center here at CGK that the plane has been located about 100 miles off Makassar and has indeed gone down. The news is now also reported in the domestic media here.

User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1344 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 59872 times:

The news conference should have started by now, so hopefully a fuller picture should emerge soon. BBC is saying contact was lost at 35 000 feet. If the plane has indeed come down as HB-IWC says, then I just hope that there are survivors.

User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 59799 times:

So HB-IWC, would it have gone down in the sea or over land?

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 59711 times:

Seem like Mandala (no internet connection due to the Taiwan earthquake?)
wasn´t too impressed by the AdamAir in this thread, RE: Adam Air - The Flying Circus Nightmare (by Mandala499 Aug 22 2006 in Civil Aviation)?searchid=2949301&s=mandala499#ID2949301


User currently offlineFlykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 443 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 59662 times:

Just updated on CNN:

Missing Adam Air jet with 100 on board sent distress signal, rescue teams dispatched, transport minister tells Indonesian radio.



One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time
25 Post contains images Solnabo : Watching this alarming news on Al Jazeera (english) right now, bad weather, only fuel for 4 hour....suspect the 734 chrashed, more to come. Micke//
26 HB-IWC : The press conference a bit further here at the Soekarno Hatta Sheraton has yet to start, and I am just posting here what we are being told at the Garu
27 Post contains links Alessandro : Seem like their B734s where built between 1988-1992, their B734 fleet http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/AdamAir-active-b737.htm[Edited 2007-01-01 15:
28 BlueElephant : My condolences to all on board. I hope that there are some survivors. Is Makassar an Island? Is it likely that the aircraft went down in water?
29 Post contains images HB-IWC : It is now reported here at my office that the aircraft involved was PK-KKW. Only two pictures of this aircraft in the airliners database, and none in
30 Post contains links Alessandro : More about this aircraft, http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b737-24070.htm
31 HB-IWC : The press conference has meanwhile started and didn't last very long, and as far as I understand the local language here, the management of Adam Air c
32 Mika : First of all i want to express my condolences to the people in any way touched by this accident, this was for sure a horrible way to start the new yea
33 W3ndytj4n : My concolences to all of the passengers on board. w3ndy
34 Post contains links and images UK_Dispatcher : Another terrible accident in Indonesia. They certainly have their share of tragedies. The aircraft seems to be ex-JAT, GB Airways and Dan Air. I'm sur
35 Post contains images DeC : This is so tragic! And on new year's day Honest condolences to the families of the passengers.
36 Alessandro : Latest rumor is that the wreckage been found outside Monado.
37 9VSWA : This was said just days ago in another thread discussing an Indonesian aviation incident. Unfortunately it seems that these words may just have come
38 Cedarjet : How the f*** can airlines like Adam Air be allowed to fly? I have just read Mandala 499's recent thread about Adam Air. I hope the press read that pos
39 BoeingBus : The are getting some more new A320's so maybe they will turn the corner with the help from Airbus and lessors.
40 HB-IWC : Those were my words, and together with what Mandala499 said in that same thread, it was just one of the many instances in which both of us discussed
41 Halls120 : New airplanes might only be a short term solution. From whay others have posted, it would appear that the airline's management is shockingly incompet
42 PanAmOldDC8 : First of all may I offer my deepest sympathy to all the loved ones and hope they get through these difficult times I think that it is time that all a
43 Thomson735 : SO can i ask why are these airlines allowed to fly?? is there some kinda of Corruption allowing them to fly, i made a similar comment about i think it
44 Post contains images Mandala499 : Geez, my cellphone's been busy since 4pm this afternoon... I was out of the house until 1500UTC guys... My phone's been going non-stop before battery
45 PanAmOldDC8 : Thanks for the info, keep us posted on your experience and the latest
46 Post contains links Baroque : http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1820173.htm States it was about an hour short of its destination in Manado. That would be over pretty rou
47 SEPilot : We in the US (and most of Europe, for that matter) have come to accept the reality of safe air travel. It did not just happen; the FAA is known as the
48 HB-IWC : We are no longer getting any information here in the Garuda OCC. Adam Air's management has not yet come out, and the earlier press conference was main
49 Mandala499 : Aircraft said to have been found, land impact... and "impact signal" has been received from ELT. On a disturbing front... it looks like the handling o
50 RAFVC10 : Flight between Surabaya and Manado is only of two hours; the plane has refueled at Surabaya for more than four flight hours. Seems that the plane has
51 Yhmfan : They do seem to be an unprofessional bunch. Just out of curiosity, I visited their website and looked at the "safety" page. They seem to be quite pro
52 MEA-707 : They actually mean that they sometimes have to argue that the flight is cancelled due to bad weather while the passengers are shouting that they want
53 Merlin : Indeed. Lost contact with an aircraft 7hrs back,Thts a very long time..Keep us updated guys. God Bless all on board..i pray for a miracle to happen.
54 Alessandro : RAF, it´s 23:59 now in Jakarta, the pressconference is already done.
55 HB-IWC : This comes as no surprise, does it? You can be sure that the story line will be twisted and turned to suit Adam Air's needs. The chief pilot in the p
56 Post contains links Afterburner : I'll tell you a story about a young man named Adam Adhitya Suherman. After graduating from high school, his parents sent him to the US to study busine
57 Post contains links 9V : Search has been suspended due to the bad weather. BBC VIDEO
58 Pilotdude09 : Reading Mandala's thread about Adam Air, it shows how corrupt Indonesia is, and how discraceful the airline industry is over there, and major western
59 Blackbird1331 : Cnn says it crashed.
60 Mandala499 : Guys, It is confirmed it has made land impact... exact location/condition of that has not been confirmed. The airline is now shutting up and not dishi
61 HB-IWC : It is indeed confirmed to have crashed now, and I am willing to bet quite a bit of money that the Adam Air management - or at least the ones that are
62 Mandala499 : And now... the expected.. From Detik.com Adam Air Manado silent, families angry... Over 50 relatives of passengers of KI574 congregated infront of Ada
63 Mandala499 : HB-IWC, Well, unfortunately the public will just buy it... Most likely, there is a dispatch/maitnenance problem that caused the airplane to be in the
64 HB-IWC : Here is Soekarno Hatta, the ticketing and luggage offices have quickly closed indeed, and there is minimal Adam Air staff still on duty air side for
65 Zeke : What was the registration that had its problems departing CGK ? Seem to remember the list of deferred defects in the fleet that came out after that i
66 Mandala499 : Zeke, Are you referring to the PK-KKC that had an acrobatic episode departing CGK for BTH a few months ago? Or, was that another one? one in KI Ops sa
67 Zeke : Yes was it the same aircraft ? Lost all inertial navigation systems and radios from memory. Jakarta ATC did not even know it was missing I seem to re
68 HB-IWC : I'd be surprised if there was a single Adam frame which hasn't been previously involved in some hairy incident. Just a couple of days ago, another on
69 Mika : Does anyone know if PK-KKU has been in any sort of trouble with Adamair?
70 Post contains links Alessandro : The CEO talks about expanding to Perth in this interview, http://www.terrapinn.com/2006/aplca/Custom_6879.stm
71 Mandala499 : Zeke, That was PK-KKE... IRS problem, not lost... but the problem was a huge one that even the crew only realised when they were due to descend to UPG
72 PanAmOldDC8 : Good for you I am sure all A. Netters are behind you on this one. It is a long time that I have seen someone stand up for their principles. It takes
73 Post contains links Mandala499 : Guys... you can find the pics of the press conference here: http://www.indoflyer.net/indoforum/tm.asp?m=98536&mpage=5 Mandala499
74 YYZUla : Having recently read a lot about the safety records of many Indonesian airlines this accident doesn't surprise. I hope, but I strongly doubt it, that
75 RiddlePilot215 : New airplanes won't change crap....It's the management and legislators that HAVE to change in order for these kind of problems to go away. These are
76 Bh4007 : If it is true that it ran out of fuel - how is that possible in this day&age with a reasonably modern aircraft? There would have been many warnings fo
77 EMAlad : My thoughts are with the families of the passengers and crew. Another sad day for aviation!
78 Jetdeltamsy : Oh! Grow up. Ugh. You made a reasonable inquiry. Who cares what the guy thinks about your post?
79 Post contains links ScarletHarlot : Back in February, Mandala499 said the following in Adam Air Indonesia Orders 30 A320s (by PanAm_DC10 Feb 23 2006 in Civil Aviation) ... Unfortunately,
80 NZKTBOY : transport minister Ikhsan reported the plane being airworthy and was last serviced december 2005. it has 45,371 flying hours.
81 Tommy777 : The names of the passengers are already published on Adam Airs website...
82 MERLIN : RIP to all on board..A very sad day.It really feels when u loose some 1 on a day like this... God Bless to every member on board tht fatal flight and
83 Kuna : Thats pretty shocking....to just post it up like that so quickly...
84 Post contains images JoKeR : Wreckage has just been found in the mountains...
85 Post contains links and images BMIFlyer : The wreckage has been found, on an Island http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6223825.stm Lee
86 NZKTBOY : does not sound good. the weather has been horrible in south east Asia
87 Post contains images DavestanKSAN :   man what a tragic week it has been for this region. In the BBC article Lee posted it says: "Local officials said that almost all the 96 passengers
88 NZKTBOY : BBC is reporting 90 Dead and 12 survivors found in a nearby village. RIP
89 Joffie : Terrible way to start the new year. They say bad weather around the flightpath but we will have to wait for the investigation to commence before anyon
90 JetJeanes : They have really had a rash of bad luck over there with aircraft in the last few years. Hopefully a survivor can shed some light on what caused the pl
91 HB-IWC : Here at Jakarta's Soekarno Hatta International airport, Adam Air operations have meanwhile resumed with the airline's ticketing and check in desks gua
92 Fanofjets : What a sad start to the New Year. My thought are certainly with the families of the victims of this tragedy.
93 LTBEWR : With the serious safety issues that Adam Air apparently has and suggested by this accident, what can be done to either put them out of business or to
94 Jetfuel : An airlines' own safety record is as good a message to passengers as anything HOWEVER in a country known for being corrupt it's even hard to get regu
95 Jasond : Well I would certainly agree with that. First off though I will wait (and suggest others do likewise) for the official cause of this awful accident.
96 Post contains links RiddlePilot215 : I think you missed a BIGGIE here...and this is why I'm so skeptical of anything actually happening as a result. This is off of the CNN website, and h
97 9V : Some good news anyway.
98 Post contains links Alessandro : LTBEWR, first the cause of the crash must be established, Boeing is sending a team to Indonesia to help out in the investigation, see http://www.boein
99 HB-IWC : I know of travel agents here in Jakarta that have been advising their passengers against buying Adam Air tickets and have been doing so for quite a w
100 Mika : As a side note; how is Garuda compared to european or US legacy carriers? Just out of curiosoty as i know nothing about Indonesian aviation.
101 CX777Fan : How realistic is this speculation about weather causing the accident? If the aircraft was at FL35 - which is where a previous poster mentioned Singapo
102 Bh4007 : I want to tell you that they are comparable but they're not; I count 17 accidents, only 3 of them without fatalities - in the last 56 years. Pretty p
103 Yukimizake : From FL350 into mountainous terrain during bad weather and there are survivors?, I do hope the report of there being survivors is true, it just seems
104 Post contains links Salina Chan : Reuters is now reporting that the crash site has not been found and that other reports were in error. http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...WTmodLoc=
105 PanAmOldDC8 : This is sad for the loved ones. It is not fair to put out press releases that are incorrect. I have just sent and e-mail to IATA asking them to use t
106 HB-IWC : Seeing as how Adam Air is not a member of IATA, that will indeed not make much of a difference. The only one capable of rescinding the license is the
107 Alessandro : Bh4007, you have to take in consider the environment they operate in.
108 PanAmOldDC8 : Thanks for that reply and I really appreciate it. But you know the old saying "you can but try". Any links to the Singapore Ministry of Aviation?I am
109 Salina Chan : Well, they are flying into Changi, so i have emailed our government as to how our MoT is ensuring that carriers comming to SIN are safe, taking into
110 Post contains links Salina Chan : PanAmOldDC8: It's the Ministry of Transportation that has an air division, located at http://www.mot.gov.sg However, here is a list of the officials
111 Zeke : With any reaction by CAAS it would be seen as a direct attack on the Indonesian government given the involvement of Agung Laksono in the airline. I t
112 CX flyboy : How many Indonesian carriers are in IATA? I ask because IATA has a safety audit programme which is now compulsory and the airlines must be subjected t
113 PanAmOldDC8 : " target=_blank>http://www.mot.gov.sg Thanks for that. I am going to start right now sending off e-mails until they are sick of me and I get some sort
114 Salina Chan : Indeed...we all still remember the fallout from SQ006 and how ugly that turned out at times....and that was Taiwan and not Indonesia.....with the lat
115 Post contains images Bh4007 : I'm saying that in comparison to US/EU carriers, the airline is a lot less safe. However, Garuda in comparison to say, Adam, they are comparatively m
116 Post contains links Scorpio : The screw-ups and confusion seem to continue: now the military denies the wreckage has been found, and says the story of the 12 survivors is wrong...
117 PanAmOldDC8 : " target=_blank>http://www.mot.gov.sg I have sent e-mails to all on the list and have sent one to the Ambassador in Canada, and have requested a time
118 Baroque : It looks as if chaos reigns supreme. Sedih.
119 ANother : You may be confusing IATA and ICAO. IATA is the trade association of airlines - ICAO is the UN body responsible for aviation, including safety. Indee
120 Post contains links Mandala499 : Which can be easily solved... it's called Navigational Error. See below... It is something I myself am not proud of... in fact, I feel sick at the mo
121 NIKV69 : Wow this is getting bad, those poor famalies. You first give them some hope and now this? Wow, somebody should get a "F" in how to give press reports
122 Zvezda : This is probably the best suggestion I've seen so far in this thread. Singapore and others could institute such a rule while minimizing any perceptio
123 Hmmmm... : How is it that someone could fabricate a report that the crash site was found, then to add detail to that, fabricate the detail that 12 people were fo
124 BuyantUkhaa : Very interesting theory, and thanks for providing us with the high level of detail. Let's hope for the best, against all odds...
125 HB-IWC : As far as I know there are just two: state-owned Garuda Indonesia and Merpati Nusantara Airlines. None of the others, in their current state could ev
126 HAWK21M : Any timeframe for the Preliminary Report on the Invistigation. regds MEL
127 Zeke : A few years back QF looked at buying Adam Air. They sent an auditor to have a look at the operation, needless to say QF found more pressing investmen
128 9V : How can they say there are 12 survivors then say there are not???!!!
129 Mandala499 : Yet they announced the possibility regardless of QF's finding, possibly breaching ASIC rules had it gone through. Well, the truth is rumoured to be k
130 ANother : Well, one of the requirements of IATA membership is INTERNATIONAL scheduled operations. Now IOSA participation is also a requirement.
131 Post contains images 198467 : Hi. I just joined A.net, mainly because of this incident. I read that Boeing is going to help in the investigation, will they uncover the poor mainten
132 A3 : Welcome to A.net. As of your second line............ Lets just say that having in mind and according to their previous practices lets one to dough ab
133 Baroque : The xenophobia is a problem but to some extent can be overcome. I spent many years trying to improve technical performance in one of the ministries t
134 NIKV69 : I'm not sure how good this is. Could be wx related fromtwhat they are saying, I wish they would find the aircraft soon.
135 Post contains images Stargazer : Ok, just saw this on PPrune: Jakarta Daily Newspaper KOMPASS reports that the Adamair flight landed safely in Juanda (Surabaya) after experiencing hea
136 Post contains images 198467 : Huh? You mean it landed???
137 Mpsrent : It is unbelievable! They are totally out of control with the situation. I pity the families waiting to hear about the state of their loved ones. At l
138 9V : Something funny is going on. When did it land?[Edited 2007-01-02 19:25:57]
139 UK_Dispatcher : How does an aircraft go 'missing' for 24 hours and no one know it is sitting at an airport. I think we would all like to believe this, but.... no way
140 198467 : And the passengers on the plane did not bothered to contact their relatives???
141 Stargazer : The posts have been deleted on PPrune, so another Rumour? Some serious butt kicking needs to happen in that Country!
142 Post contains images 198467 :    Although I hope the rumour is true (so that everyone is safe), but it is too far-fetched for anyone to believe.[Edited 2007-01-02 19:32:11]
143 Mandala499 : That cannot be. As of 4hrs ago, the NTSC is still looking for the aircraft. Even Adam Air crew haven't heard anything... The misinfo/disinfo surroundi
144 ScarletHarlot : Mandala499 - stay safe - do not put yourself in a difficult position. It is obvious that you only want the state of Indonesian aviation to get better
145 ANother : Not only in that country. Please think before you post.
146 Dtwclipper : This all just seems nuts to me. How can you loose a 737 for over 48 hours? Next they are going to report that they have located Fred Noonan & Amelia E
147 Sheraboam : My Heart goes out to these families waiting. I can't even begin to imagine the anguish and torment they must be feeling. Your right Mandala, it is no
148 Richierich : One hour, maybe. Two hours, possibly. But 24+ hours? As you said, no way. It is very very sad but this plane crashed. It is not possible to know if a
149 PanAmOldDC8 : BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!!. I have just got an e-mail back from your MOT and have been advised that the a/c has not been found and they will advise me at a
150 Post contains links Alessandro : Not the first time a plane goes missing in Indonesia, check out this list http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Event=XXM
151 Mandala499 : Guys, The info on the good and the bad of Adam Air is not a tightly held secret, but so far no one has gone full out to the media yet, and I have no i
152 Richierich : It took them a while to find the wreckage of the Gol aircraft, if you recall, and they had a pretty good idea where to look for that one. There was a
153 Post contains links Spacecadet : You think? http://www.mountwashington.org/ Parts of NH are pretty remote. Mount Washington is also one of the coldest, windiest places on the planet.
154 Richierich : That's all very nice and such. I've been to the top of Mt. Washington several times. You can drive up it. While there is definitely a lot of difficul
155 ULMFlyer : Not to mention that the Brazilian Air Force was employing EMB 145 RS/AGS aircraft with sigint sensors to pick up the ELT transmission and synthetic a
156 Post contains links 9V : A clip of the terrain. http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...d/2007/01/02/stevens.indo.plane.ap
157 MGA : So whats the deal? the earlier reports that the wreckage was found and there were 12 survivors was crap??? I just read that on google news... Whats go
158 Post contains links Springbok747 : Yeah the earlier reports were crap. According to CNN, they still don't know where the 737 is: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/01/02/indonesia.p
159 Sheraboam : We were trained in the US to turn the flight locater on before a ditch or crash was located back galley right by F/A 3 , J/S now a big aircraft is mis
160 Ryu2 : Is there VHF comms coverage? Or only HF in that area where the plane went down?
161 F9Animal : Is this going to be the end of Adam Air?
162 Richierich : According to the press, they don't seem to be handling this issue too well, but their hands may be tied when it comes to providing information (or wh
163 Post contains links IcLCY : The way this whole incident has been handled is a total disgrace. I include below a list of Indonesian Embassy overseas. I have already done so -- I s
164 198467 : Has the search in the sea started? I have not heard/read any update from the news this morning..
165 Richierich : According to USAToday, they are now searching the sea for wreckage and telling the families of the loved ones to brace for the worst.
166 Post contains images 198467 : Ya... We really are looking at the worst.. It's sad..
167 Richierich : We can hope for miracles, but we have to face it, this is not going to end well. Indeed it is sad.
168 Stirling : ....and DB Cooper. But seriously, what a way to start off a new year. This whole situation is truly incredible and wholy unbelievable. The amount of
169 198467 : Hope they can find them soon, it's daytime in Indonesia now. That should help in the search..
170 Post contains images Ptharris : Is there a lot of jungles there or something? I mean, unless it went into the water, how hard is it to spot a 737? It's not like a Honda Civic or some
171 PanAmOldDC8 : See my earlier posting and see the response
172 Lostturttle : Just woke up this morning and I guess their is no news, positive or ........... A selection of headlines from a google search.... Health team sent to
173 Zvezda : Sure. One needs to be able to find the CVR and FDR.
174 Jamesbuk : I really hope this isnt going to be one of them years, like in 2005, something like 5 crashes in one month. Hope they find these people ASAP. Its gett
175 Mandala499 : OK, I've just sent that email to the NTSC including probable coordinates of the search box... 120NM by 120NM... unfortunately.... about 500NM away fro
176 BuyantUkhaa : But hang on, if I'm not mistaken a distress call was made (assuming that at least that info is correct of course). That should give them a pretty acc
177 LTBEWR : What is scary here is how a mainline passenger aircraft suddenly disappears from 35,000 ft. apparently without a trace. Of course, there are many area
178 Mandala499 : As silly as Adam Air is, the ops guys do load the correct amount of fuel, + for the alternates... this is probably the only safe thing in Adam I can
179 BuyantUkhaa : OK thanks for clearing that up! I appreciate your efforts a lot - welcome to my RU list!
180 PanAmOldDC8 : It is old news and therefore since it happened in Asia it is not news worthy. If it had happened in Europe or North America that's all we would have
181 Post contains links and images ANother : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6226789.stm Not updated since 4 hours GMT, but there hasn't been a lot of new information.
182 Jamesbuk : I think he means front page. I've been reading this thread and im amazed by the knowledge you have on this, were are you getting this from? Rgds --Ja
183 DeC : The whole funnily and ironically reminds me of what happened in the jet in the series LOST...am i the only one? Hope they find the crash site soon and
184 Post contains images 198467 : 2 ELTs far apart & no verbal distress call, I do not understand why..
185 Midcon385 : If that is indeed true, that is REALLY sick! Tim
186 Hoya : Even if the navigation system went down and the pilots flew far enough where they had no positional reference, what about the use of a compass? Surel
187 Richierich : Well, funny is not a word I would use. I was watching a show on the History Channel last night about the Devil's Triangle, and how it is supposedly m
188 Litz : Sure. One needs to be able to find the CVR and FDR. There's an ELT that sends a signal if there's a crash, but the recorders themselves don't emit a
189 A342 : I second that - Mandala499, also welcome to mine !
190 Morvious : Why isn't there a system inside the airplane that transmits signals where it is, how high and how fast it is going? This would be a great backup if th
191 BuyantUkhaa : That's called a transponder and compulsory (I think) on all commercial airliners. I am 99.9% sure this plane had it as well. Problem is it cannot tra
192 Mandala499 : Well, I wrote earlier that: The height information was transmitted by the aircraft's Transponder... and picked up by Makassar Radar. That position wa
193 Debonair : Yeap, Cabin ELT is 121.5 MHz (civil) and 243MHz (military freq.). PLUS (model ELTA 06-406) 406.025MHz Satelitte. But I doubt, that an ELT is standard
194 Delta777jet : Yep, can be that an ELT 406 is not mandatory overthere, but its strange that they can not find any single piece of that aircraft since days.....
195 Lostturttle : The ELT is the one I was thinking about
196 Electech6299 : Do you know the time lapse between the ELT signals? Could one have been an echo- or would land features prevent the reception of both of them from th
197 Post contains links Jetfuel : I found a news article claiming plane broke up in mid-air causing parts to fall over wide area because the Adam Air Boeing 737-400 emergency beacons a
198 Vasu : That's VERY interesting to note... I'm sure we will see many new speculations as to what caused this catastrophic scenario!
199 KstateinALB : I agree. Your posts in this topic were helpful in me understanding this. I aprreciate it. This is a sad start for the year in terms of aviation.
200 198467 : I think this scenario is possible. Till now, they can't locate the plane yet. It's not that difficult to locate a 737 when it is in one piece.
201 Jetfuel : I dont want to speculate but how feasible is it that, considering the weather at the time, that the pilot exceeded Vne and/or overstressed the airfram
202 Post contains images 198467 : Because bad weather was reported over that region, that's why I felt it was possible. But of course, it's best to let the investigators determine the
203 Lostturttle : From the story "Since the plane disappeared, both beacons have been sending distress signals" Why then if they are receiving signals can they not loc
204 Post contains images 198467 : I would like to know the reason too..
205 Palladium : When the plane disappeared at 35 thousand feet, it is very possible that the beacon locator and the black box could get destroyed into pieces. I have
206 Post contains images 198467 : I hope they can retrieved something, at least.   Back to the airline involved, they should be investigated or the aircraft manufacturer should do so
207 Jasond : Mandala, given what we will assume for the moment are correct positions. You can presumably calculate at least the bearing between the two points and
208 Post contains images Electech6299 : See my earlier post on ELTs. Unless their "beacons" are not ELTs but transponders, or they have a magical crystal ball, or this 737 is the only craft
209 JetJeanes : Has anyone checked the pax manifest for any indonesian officials that may have been on board or enemys
210 198467 : Enemies?
211 Palladium : so if we cannot find this plane... will this be the first time ever in the history that a plane crashed and cannot be found?
212 Jamake1 : One would think that if the plane crashed into the water, that rescue ships and helicopters would have spotted debris. No? I can recall a Varig Boeing
213 ANother : Amelia Earhart?
214 Palladium : Who is that? I hope the US send some of their high tech stuff to assist in finding the missing plane. sonar , infra red, etc a plane missing for 3 da
215 198467 : Amelia Earhart.. She's a famous female aviator... back in the 1920s
216 Chiguire : I have been following this right from the beginning. Although I am from the commercial side of civil aviation and I don't understand things like340/10
217 Chiguire : Something else comes to my mind that I forgot to ask: Is Indonesia Cat I or Cat II in the US. Reading all these things about poor airline maintenance
218 Tommy777 : Well, they didn't have Black Hawks and C-130s to look for her back then...
219 Alessandro : So what about satelites? How many satelites pass by the area at the time?
220 Post contains links Alessandro : Palladium, no it´s not unique that planes vanish, but not with 102 people onboard, that´s what´s so unique with this crash, more on http://aviation
221 Post contains links Jetfuel : I am sure I am not the only person expecting some sort of news update. I keep checking for something and all find is a rehash of old news. But there a
222 Lostturttle : A similar event occurs here in Bermuda every couple of years when an ELT signal is picked up. A full search and rescue operation starts, even the US
223 Lostturttle : Plenty of cases of missing aircraft over the years. PBS did an excellent documentary a few years ago on a similar event. A British South American Air
224 A342 : Just a possibility, but maybe a marine patrol aircraft with a MAD could help in the search ? I know MADs are designed to locate submarines, but maybe
225 HB-IWC : Adam Air is operating as normal, and if recent experiences with fatal air disasters (Lion Air MD82 in Solo and Mandala B732 in Medan, both in the pas
226 ANother : All they need do is require all Indonesian airlines must pass (and maintain) an IOSA audit.
227 HB-IWC : I cannot even start explaining you in how many different ways this will be impossible in this country, which is reigned by corruption, collusion and
228 A342 : They also banned the Fokker F28, right ?
229 Jetfuel : I am sorry but Indonesia is not like Switzerland. You are dealing with a corrupt country and people who have learnt corruption as the way to get ahea
230 Nitrohelper : Well said ! ! ! I lived in Surabaya & Jakarta for five years. My first six months were very unreal as I learned the Indo "methods" of doing business
231 PanAmOldDC8 : May I usggest to the modators that we start a new thread as this one is getting very long
232 Post contains links Baroque : However, they are different from the many Indonesians with very long and detailed memories!! And this week's efforts will add to the list of those wi
233 Curmudgeon : I am a little suspicious of the reports of two ELT signals being detected. We went over the route at FL360 18 hrs after the accident and listened inte
234 Post contains links ANother : Well I won't argue with local knowledge. Interesting article in Flight about IOSA here. Of course IATA includes Garuda and if they can meet IOSA, I'm
235 Jasond : "disorienting" isn't strong enough a word for me, but then we have to behave ourselves on these forum's, don't we.
236 HB-IWC : I so understand what you mean! The value of a human life inside Indonesia is nowhere near what I would expect based on the norms and values I have be
237 Jetfuel : Your words have hit the problem 100%. Sadly nobody can tell Indonesia what is right or wrong. And at the same time everybody treads very carefully no
238 PanAmOldDC8 : Sad how people can be so easily mislead. We in the West are very lucky and we really don't appreciate it, we take it for granted. If you educate peop
239 ATCGOD : I've got a really hard time believing that this aircraft went down and didn't set off an ELT. Even if the pilot made a water landing, the ELT (if bat
240 Electech6299 : I doubt that a properly functioning ELT with good batteries would not have gone off. What I find more likely is that the ELT was defective, the batte
241 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : What if it did blow up in midair due to a bomb? Not totally unlikely given the absence of distress calls... And any bomb attack would imply awkward q
242 Post contains links ANCFlyer : This thread is getting too long, please continue here: Adam Air Flight Loses Contact During Flight 2 (by ANCFlyer Jan 4 2007 in Civil Aviation)
243 Kretek : Can I add the perennial problem of haze, a result of deliberate and illegal forest fires set by farmers and palm plantation companies on the islands
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