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Bolivia Imposes Visa On US Citizens. Impact On AA?  
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 30
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7665 times:

During a work session at midnight Jan 1st, Evo Morales has signed a decree which imposes visas for Americans citizens. According to Morales the restriction is an act of "reciprocity". Will AA be hurt by this measure?

http://www.unionradio.com.ve/Noticias/Noticia.aspx?NoticiaId=190721

Saludos desde Reynosa,
Luis

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11640 posts, RR: 61
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7644 times:

It may impact inbound U.S.-originating tourism, but how much of that really was there to Bolivia anyway, especially after the recent government change? Personally, I don't see this affecting AA all that much since the vast majority of the traffic AA carries from Miami to VVI/LPB is O&D VFR and business traffic and since American is pretty much the only major game in town, I doubt they'll see too much of a share shift.

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25406 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

As stated previously, while AA loads might experience an ever so slight decrease, if anything this will hurt Bolivia more than anything.

By making tourism access harder, the country will loose on dollar income as the nations hastle factor increases compared to other regional neighbors which do not impose such restrictions on US citizens.

While 'reciprocity' might be a noble stand, the power of the dollar in many ways is king.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7501 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
During a work session at midnight Jan 1st, Evo Morales has signed a decree which imposes visas for Americans citizens. According to Morales the restriction is an act of "reciprocity".

It will just hurt Bolivia, as it will make it even harder to conduct business there.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
While 'reciprocity' might be a noble stand, the power of the dollar in many ways is king.

What is noble about it? The USA set a new standard for all entrants to the country. It may not be welcomed, but it is egalitarian.

Bolivia responds by imposing a visa on the USA, but not other countries. They have a right to do it, but how is being vindictive noble? Are they worried about Americans coming to Bolivia to blow it up? Or moving to Bolivia illegally? If so, then the visa makes sense. But I doubt it.



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User currently offlineIMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7392 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
It may impact inbound U.S.-originating tourism, but how much of that really was there to Bolivia anyway

Not too much I reckon... There are quite a lot of tourists in Bolivia however mainly backpacker travellers and there are not too many Americans among those anywhere in the world, icluding Bolivia... Now if it was the UK, or Australia or Germany the inpact on Bovilian tourism would be a lot bigger I suppose...

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
Are they worried about Americans coming to Bolivia to blow it up?

If that was the measure... I don't think the US is or should be too worried about Bolivians blowing things up in the US...


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7392 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
The USA set a new standard for all entrants to the country.

Well, the nationals of certain countries do not need a visa to enter the U.S. Or has this changed in the past few days?



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 4):

If that was the measure... I don't think the US is or should be too worried about Bolivians blowing things up in the US...

You left out the other thing Ikramerica wrote:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
Or moving to Bolivia illegally?

He probably should have written that one first.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):

Well, the nationals of certain countries do not need a visa to enter the U.S. Or has this changed in the past few days?

Nope.

There are two reasons for visa requirements. The principle one is to prevent illegal immigration, and is determined by the frequency with which nationals of a particular country end up overstaying, working illegally and maybe illegally entering the US. The data for nationals of countries in the visa waiver program indicates they don't do those things above a certain threshold frequency set by US law.

The other reason is criminal activity, whether that be terrorism or other felonious activity. The frequency for that type of activity is a lot lower than illegal immigration for most populations, but is obviously more troublesome when it occurs. The application of such criteria is generally on an individual basis.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7245 times:
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Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
During a work session at midnight Jan 1st, Evo Morales has signed a decree which imposes visas for Americans citizens. According to Morales the restriction is an act of "reciprocity". Will AA be hurt by this measure?

Every single restriction IMO affects demand. If you know the selected destination demands a Visa, many people will try to select another one.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
As stated previously, while AA loads might experience an ever so slight decrease, if anything this will hurt Bolivia more than anything.

Agree 100% !

Felipe



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7019 times:

The effect will probably not be felt much by American Airlines, if at all. USA-Bolivia traffic is largely composed of Bolivians, both living in the US (South Florida and Northern Virginia are the only major concentrations of Bolivians in the US).

Miami-La Paz-Santa Cruz-Miami is one of AA's strongest performing LatAm routes in terms of yields and was recently upgraded to 12 weekly flights year-round.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23022 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6972 times:

I don't think there will even be much of an effect on tourism. After all, Brazil has a similar "reciprocity visa," and Americans do visit Brazil. I've not seen any empirical indication that that policy hurts tourism in Brazil.

On the other hand, it seems like it might be smarter for Bolivia to take the path of their neighbors to the west (Chile) rather than their neighbors to the east (Brazil) on this issue. For those who are unaware, Chile charges an entry fee equal to the fee necessary to apply for a visa from a passport holder's home country. IIRC, citizens of the U.S., Canada, Mexico, New Zealand, and Australia must pay. The fee is collected at the airport and is good for the life of the passport. It puts the same amount of money in the coffers, permits the government to tell its people (and, to a lesser extent, the world community) that it does engage in reciprocity, and avoids a lot of the backlash and hassle associated with a visa application.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6959 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
I don't think there will even be much of an effect on tourism. After all, Brazil has a similar "reciprocity visa," and Americans do visit Brazil. I've not seen any empirical indication that that policy hurts tourism in Brazil.

It does, very negatively. You would see Americans flocking to Brazil's beach resorts (which are not just beautiful, but cheap) if there were no Visa ristrictions. Tourism between the US and Brazil is extremely limited because of the visa.

The difference between Brazil and Bolivia is that Brazil has a tourism industry, and Bolivia pretty much does not.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6934 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
Mexico, New Zealand, and Australia must pay

I was unaware Chileans need a visa to visit Mexico for leisure. Are you sure?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23022 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6929 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
You would see Americans flocking to Brazil's beach resorts (which are not just beautiful, but cheap) if there were no Visa ristrictions. Tourism between the US and Brazil is extremely limited because of the visa.

Yeah, that's the easy conclusion to jump to, but I'm wondering about actual evidence to back it up. Uruguay, for example, has nice beaches and is cheap, but it's not exactly a mecca for beachgoing Americans. So how much of the lack of Americans is the visa requirement and how much is the availability of so many closer and equally lovely destinations?



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
Yeah, that's the easy conclusion to jump to, but I'm wondering about actual evidence to back it up. Uruguay, for example, has nice beaches and is cheap, but it's not exactly a mecca for beachgoing Americans. So how much of the lack of Americans is the visa requirement and how much is the availability of so many closer and equally lovely destinations?

I'm sure distance plays a role. As for Uruguay, it isn't exactly a country that pops into an American's mind when thinking about vacation spots on even South America.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
For those who are unaware, Chile charges an entry fee equal to the fee necessary to apply for a visa from a passport holder's home country.

Which is a silly form of recipricocity, considering the cost for processing a visa application is likely a lot higher in the US due to more expensive labor.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):

Yeah, that's the easy conclusion to jump to, but I'm wondering about actual evidence to back it up. Uruguay, for example, has nice beaches and is cheap, but it's not exactly a mecca for beachgoing Americans. So how much of the lack of Americans is the visa requirement and how much is the availability of so many closer and equally lovely destinations?

That isn't a good comparison. First of all, the Uraguay isn't cheap. Punta del Este is a popular destination among wealthy Americans who can afford to stay there. Uraguay also doesn't have the image that Brazil has, and most Americans would be unable to point out Uraguay on a map, let alone know that it has anything to offer.

The visa requirement probably has a huge effect, and Brazil knows this, which is why they are studying the implemation of a tourist visa program. The availability of closer destinations is also a detriment, but Europeans also have the same thing, and they still flock to Brazil. Getting rid of the visa requirement, or switching to a visa that Americans purchase at the airport, will open up huge new doors. It will allow tourist commissions to more actively advertise in the US and travel companies to go after more American tourists. Right now, they focus their efforts on Europe, because with no visas needed, it is an easy trip for them. Seriously, outside of Miami and New York, where TAM and travel agents heavily (and successfully) push Brazilian vacations to destinations like Salvador, Americans don't even realize Brazil is more than Rio.

I agree with you that it isn't the only reason, but I do think it is the biggest reason. The tourist visa requirement creates a whole chain of events - the biggest being that Brazilian companies do little to advertise in the US because of it.

[Edited 2007-01-02 05:42:50]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23022 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6838 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 13):

Which is a silly form of recipricocity, considering the cost for processing a visa application is likely a lot higher in the US due to more expensive labor.

I don't think so. Chile gets their $100. They get to say that they are reciprocating. And they do so without hurting tourism, at least not a whole lot. After all, if you've bought a $1000 plane ticket, what's $100 more?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
I agree with you that it isn't the only reason, but I do think it is the biggest reason. The tourist visa requirement creates a whole chain of events - the biggest being that Brazilian companies do little to advertise in the US because of it.

I buy that, and FWIW, Uruguay isn't a great comparison, it's just the only beach environment that's even remotely close to offering what Brazil does.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6760 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
The visa requirement probably has a huge effect, and Brazil knows this, which is why they are studying the implemation of a tourist visa program

This is right, and adding some info to MAH4546 post, our congress is trying to bypass the Reciprocity Rule (which drives international relations for more than 100 years) in order to create a market for example in the northeast for millions of americans every year. There are some studies attached to the law project stating that Brazil could receive up to 5 million americans per year without a Visa Policy (or an easy policy), creating thousand of jobs and opportunity even to poor people. Also imagine huge investments by large hotel chains (at this time there are at least 10 resorts under construction in Rio, Bahia, Pernambuco and other northeast states), restaurants, infra-structure... all of this is development nowadays not available because of a single law.

But there is another side... Brazil could send more tourists also to the US, it's really necessary that US easy also their visa policy. We are very famous in New York and Miami areas because of the large daily expenditures.

Felipe



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6734 times:

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 4):
If that was the measure... I don't think the US is or should be too worried about Bolivians blowing things up in the US...

I wasn't trying to say that. My point was that the restrictions have gotten tougher for all countries (okay, not exactly all, but even the non-visa countries have to use new passports with biodata OR the traveler needs a visa, or that's how it will be soon).

The two main reasons for this are immigration and national security. Bolivia may not fall into number 2, but it does into number 1. The terrorism problem allowed the state department to tighten restrictions for both reasons, as it's much harder to just say flat out that a nation is losing too many nationals to emigration. It's an insult, and one that Bolivia obviously understood as such, and is throwing a fit.

Good for them. They get in the news, they get to be anti-US a little bit, curry favor with neighbors in the region, etc.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
For those who are unaware, Chile charges an entry fee equal to the fee necessary to apply for a visa from a passport holder's home country.

This is a much better solution. Not only does it equalize the issue, but it allows them to charge a nice entry fee, which is very popular in latam countries anyway.

Do they also charge an exit fee?



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User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

The whole measure only reflects the total anti-US policy of Cuba, Venezuela and nowadays Bolivia.

I think it is a very dangerous step - however justified with reciprocity - and as many of you indicated, the only looser will be the country because the international credibility will lower even more due to lack of judicial safety.

AA will without doubt loose pax - but also LB and 5L, but that is the lower loss. The higher loss is, that being Bolivia so unattractive now due to judicial uncertainty, even less trust and visitors from abroad will we now have.

Tourism, business, investment, intenational credibility, and in short, anything that lives from direct US participation in Bolivia, will be the looser.

Living in Bolivia, I can only indicate through this forum my anger and regret to such a measure, and express to fellow a.netters and US citizens, "sorry for my countries measures....".

Let´s keep the aviation forum up: Indeed the airlines will have losses and it´s more, programmed new routes Bolivia/USA will probably get red ink.


User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6535 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
The visa requirement probably has a huge effect, and Brazil knows this, which is why they are studying the implemation of a tourist visa program.

The visa requirements make a large difference for short trips not planned far in advance to mass-tourism destinations. Most going to Brazil, from the US anyway, either know they are going way in advance or, if going on short notice, are savvy enough to use a visa service with a two or three day turnaround. So for those headed to Brazil and Bolivia, there is little or no effect. Although Rio inspires mass tourism, the distance takes it out of the easy beach vacation category, such as to the Caribbean, where visa requirements would make a difference.

Bolivia is not a mass-tourism destination. Those headed there must have a reason of their own for going (cheap, low-spending backpackers; sophisticated, high-end adventure tourists, mountain-climbers, VFR) and will go whether there is a visa requirement or not.

It won't make a difference.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23022 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
Do they also charge an exit fee?

Nope, which is also very pleasant. And in another difference from some of their neighbors, they do accept credit cards to pay the fee. I've heard some dreadful stories of trying to leave EZE and other airports in South America and having to scrounge for the cash to pay the exit fee.



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6241 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
You would see Americans flocking to Brazil's beach resorts (which are not just beautiful, but cheap) if there were no Visa ristrictions.

You certainly wouldn't see them 'flocking'.

You can quite easily get a tourist visa for Brazil in around 3 days if you have to - vacations are booked way in advance for that to be an issue. It'll cost you around $100 - not a problem when most tourist expenses in Brazil are cheap, as you say. This visa would be part of any package vacation deal.

Maybe you'd get a few more tourists, but that's about all. Not too many Americans take 8hr+ flights and a connection, just for a cheap beach - they can go to the Carribbean or Cancun for a slightly more expensive one (and a much cheaper flight), and stay for shorter times.

The resorts might be much better than Cancun, but that's where us people will continue to 'flock' unfortunately.


Jimbo

[Edited 2007-01-02 16:57:51]


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User currently offlineRIHNOSAUR From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6):
There are two reasons for visa requirements. The principle one is to prevent illegal immigration, and is determined by the frequency with which nationals of a particular country end up overstaying, working illegally and maybe illegally entering the US. The data for nationals of countries in the visa waiver program indicates they don't do those things above a certain threshold frequency set by US law.

OK...could you back this up with fuhrer evidence, I am not entirely sure this is accurate, although it could be true,

take the case of Costa Rican's...I highly doubt that The # of Ticos staying illegally or who comitt crimes (or fit the parameters you mentioned) in the US come even close to those of the Neighboring countries, and the the visa restrictions and fees are exactly the same as those in Nicaragua, Honduras and panama...(no offense to these countries intended  Smile )

So if what you say is true, it seems like visa restrictions for Costa Ricans would be quite less severe (maybe even qualify for a waiver program) as compared to its neighbors and I can assure it IS NOT.

it does not seem to me that the criteria for visa waiver is as simple as you put it.



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User currently offlineWukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Would all U.S. citizens wishing to go to Bolivia please raise their hands?

That said, Bolivia, go ahead and throw a Visa restriction on the U.S.

Be strong, be proud. Do what you think you have to do.

Who is _really_ losing in this political game?

Now would all Bolivians wishing to go to the U.S. please raise their hands?

Hmmm... Interesting.



We can agree to disagree.
User currently offlineWukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

I thought that the topic was "Bolivia" and not "Braz(s)il"?

I had a whole "Blame it on Rio" dialogue set to go until I realized that I would have been off topic sharing it.

So you go, Mr. Braz(s)il!!! with all of your "point" and whatnot.

Off topic. Suggest Deletion.

:P



We can agree to disagree.
25 A300 American : If memory serves (sometimes doesn't), similiar thing happened with Brasil. U.S. imposed a VISA requirement for Brazilians entering the U.S. Brasil cou
26 Nzrich : New Zealand is not included or its is no longer included on this list now .. Free entry with no visa or $$ payable for New Zealanders to enter Chile
27 RIHNOSAUR : many peolpe here are saying: "well Bolivia will loose this political war because US tourism will decrease...." but that is under the assumption that B
28 Nzrich : If im planning a holiday i usually check out the country first then check if i need visas and all.. I have usually decided to go then and it doesnt ma
29 MAH4546 : If they had a tourism from the US, you'd bet they would care. Fact is that there is barely any tourism between the US and Bolvia, with the little the
30 ULMFlyer : Actually, the recent incident you remember was that of a federal judge ordering Americans to be fingerprinted at GRU to maintain reciprocity. Fortuna
31 Cubsrule : Thanks, Nzrich. I tried to do the list off the top of my head and apparently didn't get it right. Do you know if Australians have to pay? I seem to r
32 Dellatorre : I don't understand why the topics here always end up being "I'm American or European and there is something happening in the world against me", "Is it
33 Cubsrule : I'm curious what you saw in this thread that made you feel this way...
34 Dellatorre :
35 Arcano : I'm not aware we need to pay a visa or fee for visiting Mexico. I don't remember being charged of that, unless it was somehow paid by the agency/airl
36 Atmx2000 : Either your country has visa waiver or it doesn't. Getting a visa will be the same regardless if your country doesn't qualify for visa waiver. I can
37 Cubsrule : I think Egyptians and Russians do need visas to get in to Chile, don't they? The IATA information I have says they do. There are a lot of forces at w
38 Gabo787 : I can asure you that in EZE you can pay your exit fee with credit cards, debit cards, Dollars, Euros, and local currency.
39 L-188 : Either that or your president finally rented the classic Newman/Redford film "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" and thinks that is a typical americ
40 Cubsrule : Interesting. There's some part of the process that confuses gringos, as several of my friends have complained to me about it. I was under the (eviden
41 Arcano : Not with Mastercard, which makes it even more unacceptable ...
42 Neo : Clearly, this measure will cause little effect on traffic between US and Bolivia. As, for Brazil i totally disagree visa restriction have a lot to do
43 Rojo : For Mexican citizens it is not valid for the life of the passport, it has to be paid every time they enter Chile. As a citizen of Chile, you don't ha
44 Rojo : I guess you haven't try to get a Brazilian Visa recently. I went with my cousins to the embassy in order to get their Visas for our trip to South Ame
45 Cubsrule : That's a regional issue, though. Folks in most of the U.S., for example, can get a Brazilian tourist visa by mail (for some reason, the Consulate in
46 ULMFlyer : I see your point. But I would like to know how these costs are allocated in the application process. In other words, what are the costs of simply sch
47 Sllevin : I disagree. It's been an issue for me, as a 'marginal' tourist. I'm not deeply driven to go to Brazil, but if there were no visa requirement I probab
48 Dellatorre : The same thing could be said here in Brazil!!!!
49 Rojo : Ambassador: Ivan Cannabrava Consul: Gustavo da Veiga Guimaraes
50 787KQ : Since by definition, there are few at the "margin" consider yourself one of very few. And probably one of the fewer who would get on a 10-hour flight
51 Sllevin : Actually, that's not quite the use of 'marginal' in this context. We're talking about marginal with regards to their desire to go to Brazil. People w
52 Neo : It is..... and as pointed out previously in this thread there isn't any hurdle at all at getting the Brazilian visa in the US. Unfortunately, we cann
53 RIHNOSAUR : as pointed above, you initially said very clearly that the reason is FREQUENCY...you never mentioned this economic development stufff you now bring w
54 787KQ : That seems to be the standard economics definition of "marginal" something a little so I believe my argument is valid. Why would you think that those
55 Sllevin : The difference is...you can get an ETF online, or at Sydney Airport. I have to lose an entire day to get a Brazilian visa, or be without a passport f
56 Cubsrule : Actually, your only choice is to lose an entire day. And why would you want to do that, especially when you could go dozens of other places in the wo
57 Bond007 : I can tell you that those "many upper-income people" don't give a damn about how much, or how long (a few days), it takes to get a Visa. Those people
58 Atmx2000 : Because I thought it was relatively obvious that there is a connection between immigration, legal and illegal, and relative economic performance.
59 Cubsrule : Really? I can think of A LOT of counterexamples.
60 Uzzzer : Two examples come to mind: Sri Lanka used to impose visas on British passport holders, and the outcome was a significant decrease in tourism. The Sri
61 Trintocan : This discussion has somewhat drifted away from aviation and gone into the interesting yet complex world of visas - yet visa issues do greatly affect v
62 RIHNOSAUR : here's the deal, It is obvious that illegal immigration and overstay play a role in the criteria for visa waiver, and in principle this should be one
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