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User currently offlineLonghaulheavy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16312 times:

I got a kick out of this article, particularly the quote from the controller that I included below. It's a good New Year's read, so enjoy.  Smile

Quote:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/classi...872=1&coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

In the sky! A bird? A plane? A ... UFO?
January 1, 2007
Jon Hilkevitch, Chicago Tribune

It sounds like a tired joke--but a group of airline employees insist they are in earnest, and they are upset that neither their bosses nor the government will take them seriously.

A flying saucerlike object hovered low over O'Hare International Airport for several minutes before bolting through thick clouds with such intense energy that it left an eerie hole in overcast skies, said some United Airlines employees who observed the phenomenon.

...

Officials at United professed no knowledge of the Nov. 7 event--which was reported to the airline by as many as a dozen of its own workers--when the Tribune started asking questions recently.

...

"To fly 7 million light years to O'Hare and then have to turn around and go home because your gate was occupied is simply unacceptable," said O'Hare controller and union official Craig Burzych.

Note that there was a thread on this here shortly after the "occurrence."

Strange Sphere Over Gate 17 At O'Hare? (by Okelleynyc Nov 18 2006 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16206 times:

Quoting Longhaulheavy (Thread starter):
To fly 7 million light years to O'Hare and then have to turn around and go home because your gate was occupied is simply unacceptable," said O'Hare controller and union official Craig Burzych.

LMAO!!!!  Smile


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 16129 times:

Pretty hysterical - don't know what to think about the sighting, tho.


777fan



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User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 16110 times:

Anyone take a photo , or video, or something. You'd think if this was real they would have recorded something....


"None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsly believe they are free" -Goethe
User currently offlineGeorgetown From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 15823 times:
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Yeah I was just about to start a thread on this until I saw this one. There's gotta be someone on this site that has some inside info on this one? Anybody? I'm just a little suprised that nobody could snap a picture.


Let's go Hoyas!
User currently offlineSJC-Alien From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15335 times:

The thing that amazes me.............is the cover-up has already started. If this had been "allowed" to be reported by the main stream press.......can you imagine the questions that would have been asked? The Congressional hearings? I'm sure they(media) knew about it, but nobody in the main stream media mgmt will let a report like this be broadcast- especially after 9/11.....Currently, any back-pack, idiot getting past security, or anything related, will shut down an airport or terminal wing.....FAST! Why didn't this...? This was reported to the FAA, by many different people that probably didn't know each other-....but it was kept under wraps. Read the report at www.NUFORC.org and also read that websites front page story.......there are 2, then find the submitted report by the taxi Pilot........and do the math.

Either a bunch no-minds working with airport security badges on the ramp, risked their jobs reporting this, for what...laughs?......or this event was covered-up. Who knows what it really was................but no security alert issued, makes me very suspicious.

SJC Alien


User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15280 times:

Well beyond what the employees saw, didn't ATC in the tower see it? Multiple pilot reports? Just UAL rampers only?

User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15246 times:

"Anyone take a photo , or video, or something."




Looks similar to an earlier sighting two years ago towing a banner.  Wink



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15180 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 7):

LMAO...literal LOL. Good work.


User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14834 times:

This always makes me laugh so much. You can be sure that from now on, a lot of people in Chicage will also say that they have seen it.....
Do you know that extraterrestrians only like "developped" countries ? They never appear in third world countries ! Only Europe, US and Australia (and few others). But when you are starving, you don't have the energy to make your show and only think about beeing seen on TV !!!!!! Think about it.....


User currently offlineULMFlyer From Brazil, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 475 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days ago) and read 14205 times:

Quoting HBJZA (Reply 9):
They never appear in third world countries !

Hey, they showed up in Brazil in 1986! F-5Es and Mirage IIIEs were scrambled from SBSC and SBAN, respectively. But those damn aliens proved more difficult to intercept than the RAF's Vulcan during the Falklands War in 1982. Big grin



Let's go Pens!
User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days ago) and read 14168 times:

Quoting Longhaulheavy (Thread starter):
To fly 7 million light years to O'Hare and then have to turn around and go home because your gate was occupied is simply unacceptable," said O'Hare controller and union official Craig Burzych.

Thanks for the laugh. The human mind can make up do many things. Have you ever tried standings outside and looked up at the sky and suddenly from nowhere everyone starts doing the same thing. Mind over matter



Barbados, CWC soon, can't wait
User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1012 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days ago) and read 13998 times:

I believe that I was a witness to the UFO sighting as well: She was about 65 years old, 5'5", 200 lbs, wearing a blue polyester tent dress with gray piping (her dress, not her hair), a pewter wing pin, and boarding a 747 that was bound for Beijing...

[Edited 2007-01-02 13:26:51]


United's B747-400. "She's a a cruel lover."
User currently offlineJerald01 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 161 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days ago) and read 13940 times:

When I was a young boy I was outside at night with some friends. We were astonished to see a bright, flat disk-shaped object moving slowly in an erratic, zig-zag path to the northwest of our position. I went in and got my Dad and he came out and we all watched this thing for several minutes. It sort of stood still at one point off in the distance north of where we were, then, all of a sudden, it just zipped out of sight off to the west.

None of us knew what it was, and my Dad, ever the wise one, simply said to me "Never tell anyone about this."

Years later, when I was more informed on what was going on "north and west" of where we lived, I found that this was exactly where research had been going on concerning nuclear energy applications, including nuclear electrical power generation as well as nuclear bomb making.

Having seen several other "phenomenon" in the heavens, both in daylight and at night, I am no longer a dis-believer.

As for why no "security alert" was issued on the one in Chicago (or anywhere else, for all that matters), just ask yourself this question:

"Would you want to be tell the public there is 'something out there' that we have no defense for?"

Can you imagine the panic this would cause?



"There may be old pilots, and there may be bold pilots, but there are darn few green cows"
User currently offlineAirforum From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13083 times:

"Whatever the object was, it could have interfered with O'Hare's radar and other equipment, and even created a collision risk, they said."

I thought the alien technology was way ahead of ours. You'd say that even the cheapest UFO is fitted with some kind of TECAS.



What goes up, must come down. Let's hope the sky never went up.
User currently offlineSJC-Alien From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13062 times:

The reason "No Security" Alert was ever issued is a major case in point. Just like the additional report by those linked in the story....is also a major case in point. Why would they come back to bring the point up again...?

This morning on ABC news, 1-2-2007, Harry Sreenivasan used up a whole 10 seconds reporting on this incident - albiet with the slight smirk in the tone of the of his newscast, and at the end of the newscast at 4:55am PST,,,,which MOST people in the USA will never see. The mere fact we had a multiple witness UFO event over a major airport in the USA, by what seems to be very qualified observers, and nary a word of it from the main stream media on the day it happened- is a cover-up to me. Sure, all of the Lil funny photos attached and LOL's only leads me to believe that most people won't seriously investigate the subject, OR don't want too, for whatever reason. There have been many many reports by highly skilled airline pilots of UFO type incidents, maybe some of those who you all read here in the forums on other subjects.

My point being, if you look at the subject matter and ask yourself this question.......what risk do these people put themselves in by reporting such an incident, vs what they get out of it. Perfectly sane people who can Taxi a 777 to the MOC bay..or..marshall aircraft-load and push back airliners, but then be discounted when they look up and report a strange sighting over a major airport,,,only to be discounted or ignored,,,then they come back with a follow-up article,,,because NOBODY is listening. In this day and age of Security issues, most of us can't go to an airport and film Jets without being harassed or questioned.......yet several people can report a strange event at O'Hare,,,and it's virtually ignored. Go ahead an smirk.....but if you ever see one up close.....( as I have in 1962 at Pocatello, Idaho...with 10+ people older than me) then you may start asking questions..............

SJC Alien


User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12798 times:
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I don't think it was reported in November because the main-stream press didn't know about it (or didn't realize that it was "serious").

I, for one, heard it reported on NPR yesterday at ~5pm ET. That, my friends, is main stream media. (that's National Public Radio, for those who don't know. I heard it on "All Things Considered", a nationally broadcasted news radio show that can be heard basically everywhere in the United States).


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2053 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12650 times:

I can't believe the aliens are still flying those old contraptions. Any chance they'll order the 787?

Cheers,
Coal



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User currently offlineMd80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12565 times:

I don't believe in life beyond the Earth, but I do believe in secret military technology as I have seen it in action, in broad daylight in Austin Texas.
IMO you can bet that every controller within 300nm witnessed this object on their screens, as they probably regularly do. Any of them that wish to keep their "government" job know full well what to say when civilians observe something they shouldn't have. Ahhh, it was a wierd weather phenomena, a balloon, swamp gas....etc.

If this craft had been "alien" in origin, and it's intentions unknown to all, it's appearance over ORD would be a major danger to ALL aircraft operating in the area and certainly would have rang alarm bells at every radar station in the Northeast. Had this occurred, it would be impossible to hide the event like they have done.

On a final note, if any of you think that the A380 and the 787 partly represent the pinnicle of aviation technology, well you certainly have another thing coming.....


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12287 times:

Quoting SJC-Alien (Reply 5):
Currently, any back-pack, idiot getting past security, or anything related, will shut down an airport or terminal wing.....FAST! Why didn't this...?

Well, it was a report from a few eye witnesses, nothing more.
Reading the report on the NUFORC website, it's little more than one person's account of seeing something strange - this justifies national press coverage???

Cover up??

Oh, please??

You think this wouldn't be on CNN if they thought it was a reliable and newsworthy (and entertaining!) story ???


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineNAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11302 times:

Can´t understand why so much increaduablity over this possiblity.

UFO sightings are world wide especially during the new year.

I have seen one myself when I was a kid and am certain of what I saw.

Just my opinion.


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5065 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11274 times:

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 3):
Anyone take a photo , or video, or something. You'd think if this was real they would have recorded something....

Well, I never had the opportunity to carry a camera while working on the ramp. At least a camera within quick grabbing range. I would bring a camera for breaks, but it was just too darned iffy to carry in the old pocket.

I would imagine that they did see something, especially with so many reporting it.



I Am A Different Animal!!
User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11240 times:

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 20):
UFO sightings are world wide especially during the new year.

What, you mean it relates to the time of the year when most alcohol is consumed??

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 20):
I have seen one myself when I was a kid and am certain of what I saw.

Yes, you were certain you saw a UFO. It's an "Unidentified Flying Object". Something in the sky that you cannot identify - has nothing to do with alien beings, unless you choose to believe it is.

I'm certain I've seen many things that I cannot identify - but I don't immediately assume they must be alien sightings.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11138 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 19):
You think this wouldn't be on CNN if they thought it was a reliable and newsworthy (and entertaining!) story ???

It is on the CNN website now.....


User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10773 times:

Quoting Md80fanatic (Reply 18):
I don't believe in life beyond the Earth

Really???!!! Not even millions of light-years away, other galaxies...? Why on earth (!)would you think we are the only ones?? Millions and millions of stars, planets, galaxies...it is NOT possible that there is no life outside of our planet. Are we visited by anyone, that's another story.


25 Post contains images Charlienorth : Oh no not another when will the aliens replace the saucers thread
26 Post contains links GrandTheftAero : Because then the alien terrorists win. I'm not taking any chances. I'm duct taping my windows, getting a year-supply of water and MREs, and reading u
27 Blackbird : It could be a UAV. They can pull some amazing maneuvers. However, I remember a case where an A-12 was caught refuelling too close to an airliner... FB
28 Scramjetter : Isn't there a landing fee at O'Hare? They may have balked at the expense or their passports weren't in order. Or maybe they felt some sort of camarade
29 Ikramerica : People around the world believe in seances, too. The only problem is the first ever reported seances (about 120 years ago) were shown to be complete
30 Arsenal@LHR : UFO's, alien spaceships or whatever you want to call them are rarely sighted near civilian airports, mainly around military installations. So it is a
31 Bond007 : ...and coincidentally, we know for fact that this is where new secret military aircraft were designed and/or built and/or tested ...and probably cont
32 Viaggiare : I'm actually onboard that very same UFO right now (no pre-arranged pickup, instead got suddenly sucked up into the bright noon Guanacaste sky while s
33 Jlk : May be they were coming down to get a 60M light year tuneup and someone told them that Boeing moved their HQ to Chicago. I'm sure they changed their f
34 MD80fanatic : That's correct. The concept of aliens, and their associated technology, is >THE< perfect plausible deniability cover for advanced military flying har
35 NoWorries : Looks like an A35550 -- crappy lines -- the B78887 is much sleeker.
36 Ikramerica : To belabor the point, before flying machines, the "UFO" of choice was the spectral locomotive, the phantom stage coast, the ghost pirate ship, etc. It
37 Laddb : Since this could be plane from the future, I'm surprised this has not turned into an A vs B war. First, statistically speaking, it appears that we can
38 Post contains images Manny : Even if other life forms existed in the universe, what would make them want to come to EARTH. And if they have ever come they usually end up meeting a
39 Agill : Watch out for anal-probes.
40 Airforum : Maybe because the aliens made their first flight in 1903 as well. But unlike Orville Wright, who stayed in the air for 12 seconds, they were able to
41 ER757 : There's a big difference between believing in life elswehere in the universe and believing aliens have visited us. To say that aliens have never visi
42 Richierich : I've never seen a UFO (or anything paranormal, for that matter) that I am aware of, therefore I don't believe in this stuff either. But I will say th
43 Bond007 : Absolutely correct! We seem to have everything that ever happened captured on tape, but NEVER any credible evidence of alien UFOs .... simply never.
44 Post contains images Electech6299 : First, statistically speaking, we can't exist in the first place. Given the typical astronomical lifespan of a solar system, and especially given the
45 LV : The reason I am skeptical is in an age of YouTube, where someone risks their life by sneaking a cell phone cam into the hanging of a Middle Eastern le
46 Ikramerica : Oh, me too. I just don't think anyone on earth has seen a UFO. I have a probability theory that goes like this: The odds of life on any planet are be
47 Viaggiare : Hehe. Yep, I too had read abductees always get a probe or two. But no, these outer space dudes are so cute and friendly. Calmed my anxiety right away
48 ORDRyan28 : Very eerie. This was the first I've heard of this event..pretty creepy. I think I believe in UFO's, but I never thought there would be an eye-witness
49 Hmmmm... : The fact that there is life on earth could be nothing more than the manifestation of a higher power, not the manifestation of statistical probability
50 Post contains images Ikramerica : No, but there is very likely another work surface for some intelligent being somewhere in the universe with food on it. Heck, there's almost surely a
51 SJC-Alien : A quote below in the last paragraph of the Chicago tribune article..... "Our theory on this is that it was a weather phenomenon," she said. "That nigh
52 Post contains images Electech6299 : In what area, and at what altitude exactly? did you get a fix on it? Or was it's transponder picked up to get an altitude for your reliable witnesses
53 Electech6299 : For the record, I'm not saying that there can't be other explanations for our existence, or the existence of other life in the universe, just that st
54 SwissA330 : Any chance this might have been Santa Clause? ORD is a pretty populated area, he must have passed... And why the US? Immigration is such a hassle the
55 Post contains images MD80fanatic : Why not? Why just post on this topic, when there are hundreds of others I can post in also? My answer is "I like this one" and because it's my comput
56 A350 : Do you know that aliens are extremely arrogant? Even at rich countries they make a U-turn in the last moment because they think those places are belo
57 FFlyer : Well, isn't that at least as crazy to say, than to say e.g. that aliens are visiting us every day? Also, didn't you attend the biology and physics cl
58 Starglider : It is a cover up, uncovered. Joe Patroni has been overheard saying to his chief mechanic, while putting the contraption back into his garage: "Let us
59 SJC-Alien : Try this on for size..............and I could really care less what happens on this because we're never gonna solve it here, but reading the comments
60 Bond007 : Now, exactly HOW do these "cover ups" happen ???? C'mon now, you're all intelligent folks aren't you?? So, an FBI, military or Secret Service Agent i
61 Post contains images MD80fanatic : Oh yes, I attended biology and especially physics classes until I was around 26 years old....and ummmm, what's your point again....I'm sorry? I remem
62 MD80fanatic : What is there to "cover up" exactly? These craft fly out in the open, in broad daylight, each and every day. If one is noticed (which they often are)
63 Laddb : MD80fanatic, You are giving the military waaaay too much credit. History has proven the the US government and military can not keep anything this big
64 FFlyer : MD80fanatic, Are you saying that you deny the possibility of life outside of earth because of religious reasons? Religions are beliefs, not facts. Sci
65 Airforum : Hmmmm I have the feeling this thread is going to end as a semi-philosophical argument. Let's stay on topic. Any chance someone at ORD got the craft's
66 Post contains images TeamAmerica : What amazes me is that we are discussing this on an internet forum that can be viewed by anyone on the planet, and yet you say there is a cover-up. I
67 Charlienorth : I'm still waiting for someone to blame Bush! I know some of the individuals involved,haven't talked to them about and I won't,they are "regular guys"
68 Coronado990 : Doesn't Mexico City have a lot of UFO sightings? Maybe it was a flight from there.
69 Bond007 : Well, I'm sorry if this hard on you, but religion IS a belief. It is something you choose to believe and imagine, so ..... Jimbo
70 Post contains images Electech6299 : Absolutely. I just can't wait to see one of the thousands of "inside" folks blow the lid by giving a press conference, on the condition of anonymity.
71 Post contains images MD80fanatic : Okay, I know now where your viewpoint springs forth from. You're college educated, probably from a moderately religious family. Since you've grown no
72 Electech6299 : BINGO! Yep, and how about an estimate as to the series. Is this an all-new craft, or is this the same -200 series saucer seen for decades in TX, NM a
73 ER757 : Two points 1) Why not a creator that created and set in motion evolution? Would not it be feasible that complexity would be a result if said creator
74 Charlienorth : They beat JetBlue!
75 Post contains images Electech6299 : There's still the whole monkey issue.... I can buy the rest of the animal kingdom, but the human factor is completely different. Not just that we hav
76 FFlyer : MD80fanatic, Thank you for presenting your views in a civilized and grown-up manner, with some moderate undertone. I think you are a good guy...except
77 Post contains images Bond007 : Unfortunately that's somewhat one-sided on those who believe in a 'creator' ... not the other way round. Too many so-called 'christians' have told me
78 Laddb : I meant at what MD80fanatic was saying about the military letting people think that what they see are alien craft - not that the military does not ha
79 ContnlEliteCMH : Can you not see the utter irony in your statement here? You freely reduce another's viewpoint to dust because of belief. You then go on to make an ab
80 Post contains images Electech6299 : FWIW, that's not my quote- that's MD80fanatic, reply 71. A victim of the erroneous quote "feature" once again! I just can't win in this thread...G'ni
81 Hmmmm... : But here is my point, if the universe is as big and as populated by intelligent life forms as some suggest simpy by virtue of size, then there must b
82 SSTsomeday : Somebody beam him up.
83 Post contains links SJC-Alien : From Bond007- Now, exactly HOW do these "cover ups" happen ???? C'mon now, you're all intelligent folks aren't you?? So, an FBI, military or Secret Se
84 Post contains links SJC-Alien : For accuracy, I jumbled the sentence when identifying Richard Haines as a UAL Pilot,,,in which I meant Neil Daniels, as the UAL DC-10 Pilot..and Richa
85 Post contains images Bond007 : Hmmm...yes, religion described very well ...and then in the next sentence ...LOL Oh yes, they make mistakes all of the time, and imagine everything,
86 Iakobos : What about combined and simultaneous evidence of multiple radars from NATO, Belgian Air Force and F-16s (at close range), optically supported by seve
87 Post contains links Bond007 : I stand by my comments! There was no cover up - it is/was widely documented. UFO does not equal alien beings in flying saucers .... it might be one r
88 Post contains links BoeingOnFinal : Yeah, it's really wierd that all the photo's are blurry and poor quality. And look at this photo: Link Everything is in focus, even the clouds in the
89 Post contains links SJC-Alien : The NUFORC website has an update, along with the interview with the NPR reporter and the Chicago Tribune writer. www.NUFORC.org read the main front pa
90 Bond007 : I still don't see the relevance ... some cops would have lied to protect themselves, sure. No doubt it happens a lot. Tens of thousands of people did
91 SAOAP : No doubt folks in ORD saw something (whatever it was - see it as you will). Fact of the matter is, no one can deny they saw something. That's that. Th
92 Bond007 : You mean alien life ... as I've mentioned a few times .... all UFOs do not consist of alien life (hey, some might), UFO means just a Flying Object th
93 ContnlEliteCMH : You have misunderstood what I'm saying. There's nothing hypocritical in my statement and you're reading far too much into it. The person to whom I re
94 Post contains images Bond007 : Very nice lecture, but the truth is that science DOES produce facts ... yes, and some scientists make mistakes - I don't think anyone is questioning
95 ContnlEliteCMH : You and I agree that they are not the same thing with regard to belief, but only to the degree that belief comprises the basis of religion or science
96 Electech6299 : Time to go back to first-year science classes. Science is based on observations.
97 Post contains images Bond007 : Look up the definition of 'fact' ... not sure what year that is! "knowledge or information based on real occurrences; a thing that has been done; som
98 Post contains images Electech6299 : Yup, so belief in God is based on facts. God has been shown to exist. Now we're getting somewhere....
99 Post contains images Bond007 : Only in the mind Jimbo
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