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Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4187 posts, RR: 89
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12211 times:
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By Anand Krishnamoorthy
Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Jet Airways (India) Ltd., the nation's largest domestic airline, said it has agreed to buy 10 planes from Boeing Co. as it seeks to start more overseas flights.

Jet Airways agreed to buy 10 of Boeing's 787 aircraft, the Mumbai-based airline said in a statement to the Bombay Stock Exchange.


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First order of the year

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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12189 times:

Wow! Boeing offices in Chicago haven't even open for business this year and hey already are +10 in order books! Congratulations Jet & Boeing.  biggrin 

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4187 posts, RR: 89
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12150 times:
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A link to the filing with the stock exchange;

Jet Airways India Ltd has informed BSE that in order to maintain and expand the Company’s international operations using wide-body aircraft and to deploy the most modern and economically efficient aircraft, the Company has executed a Purchase Agreement with The Boeing Company, USA, for the acquisition of 10 Boeing 787-8 series aircraft for deliveries between July 2011 and December 2012, subject to requisite regulatory approvals.

http://www.bseindia.com/qresann/news...FFF9D-0FCC-4DDC-AF63-D425BCE3BD75}

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User currently offlineHawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12061 times:

Nice to see more orders from India. Has boeing released any pictures of the 787 with 9W livery? I have a feeling one will be coming out soon.

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12031 times:

Congratulations to 9W! Two years in a row, Boeing's first orders have come from India! Last year it was the AI order (finalised in 2006) and this year it is 9W. Given 9W's aggressive expansion plans, this order is great news, even though I'm surprised it is the 787-8 and not the -9 as I personally hoped it would be.


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12005 times:

Well done Boeing.....the orders for the 787, just keep rolling in!

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12218 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11975 times:
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Way to go Boeing and 9W. Very nice way to start the year

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11919 times:

Is it clear that this order was signed in 2007, not 2006?

User currently offline2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11790 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
Is it clear that this order was signed in 2007, not 2006?

Looks like it's 2006 from this Reuters clip:

Jet had executed the order for the aircraft "in late 2006", a senior company official said, in a deal valued at $1.48-1.58 billion at the current list price.


User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11769 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
Is it clear that this order was signed in 2007, not 2006?

From reuters, the information is that the order was "executed" in late 2006, so most likely this is NOT an 2007 order, but an 2006 order.... It was just announced late, it seems.
Here is a link



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User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11542 times:

I bet that Boeing is not counting it as a 2006 order in accordance with their current practices. When the order has been approved by the government of India and formally firmed up, we will see an official announcement and see it on the Boeing order log.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11441 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 10):
I bet that Boeing is not counting it as a 2006 order in accordance with their current practices. When the order has been approved by the government of India and formally firmed up, we will see an official announcement and see it on the Boeing order log.

Jet are a private company. Why would they need approval from the gummint? They are not AI or IA.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11427 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 10):
I bet that Boeing is not counting it as a 2006 order in accordance with their current practices. When the order has been approved by the government of India and formally firmed up, we will see an official announcement and see it on the Boeing order log.

Jet Airways doesn't need Indian Govt. approval to buy aircraft as it is a private company and not govt. owned. This might be an order that is alrady on Boeing's book as there is a UFO order for 10 x 788.



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4187 posts, RR: 89
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10583 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):
Jet Airways doesn't need Indian Govt. approval to buy aircraft as it is a private company and not govt. owned.

Perhaps they need Regulatory approval for routes and funding given the following quote from their filing;

subject to requisite regulatory approvals refer to link in reply #2

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):
This might be an order that is alrady on Boeing's book as there is a UFO order for 10 x 788.

IIRC, those were booked on October 4th, 2006. Yet as per the link in reply #9

Jet had executed the order for the aircraft "in late 2006"

I guess it all comes down to the wording and definition of 9Ws "late 2006" anyway, not too long until we find out.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10502 times:

Quoting Atnight (Reply 9):
From reuters, the information is that the order was "executed" in late 2006, so most likely this is NOT an 2007 order, but an 2006 order.... It was just announced late, it seems.

It mirrors last year, where the papers were signed in late Dec 2006, but Air India wanted to wait until after the New Year to announce so they'd get more PR. Things get lost in the world news on Dec 24-Jan 1, so PR wise, many companies don't want to announce things then.

You can expect the revelation of a few more orders in the next few days that were signed in Dec 2006.



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User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10392 times:

I am holding my breath awaiting the revelations of large "last minute" orders for Airbus as well. I have a feeling that, miraculously, their numbers will come near to or even surpass Boeing's.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31123 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10086 times:
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Either a Boeing spokesman or an aerospace analyst was just interviewed on local Seattle radio noting "the Jet Airways order is a nice way to start off 2007" so this order may go into the 2007 column.

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3116 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10029 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 13):
Perhaps they need Regulatory approval for routes and funding given the following quote from their filing;

subject to requisite regulatory approvals refer to link in reply #2

Yes, you're right on that....govt. approval is still required on certain things, even for private companies....however, it is not that same as the sort of "approval" that govt. owned companies like AI and IC have to go through....


User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9830 times:

Notable that Jet is ordering the -8. Here we have an Asian carrier picking a relatively smaller aircraft, contrary to the A.Net myth that all things Asian must grow ever larger.

The fact that the B788 is outselling the B789 ought to be a slight worry for Airbus, having sized the A350 on the larger side.



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User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9714 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 15):
I am holding my breath awaiting the revelations of large "last minute" orders for Airbus as well. I have a feeling that, miraculously, their numbers will come near to or even surpass Boeing's.

Even the "magicians" at Airbus can't pull that off!?!?  Wink


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9659 times:

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 18):
Notable that Jet is ordering the -8. Here we have an Asian carrier picking a relatively smaller aircraft, contrary to the A.Net myth that all things Asian must grow ever larger.

It is just perfect to use on the Middle Eastern and SE Asian route because of extra belly space and excellent to open up long thin routes to EU/AUS/Africa.

Karan


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9599 times:

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 19):
Even the "magicians" at Airbus can't pull that off!?!?

That's what most people thought last year. We won't know for sure until we know for sure.  Smile


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9460 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 15):
I am holding my breath awaiting the revelations of large "last minute" orders for Airbus as well. I have a feeling that, miraculously, their numbers will come near to or even surpass Boeing's.

It'll be harder than last year, because part of the race last year was that Airbus had a number of firm+pending that was very close to Boeing's firm+pending.

This year, Airbus's firm+pending was, at the last check, fewer than Boeing's firm only, and since then Boeing has added more orders that were not in the pending column.

Airbus will need plenty of last minute lease company orders for 100 A320s to perform this miracle. How many european lease companies are there and how many A320s do they really need?

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 18):
The fact that the B788 is outselling the B789 ought to be a slight worry for Airbus, having sized the A350 on the larger side.

Not really. The A350 is now timed to begin replacing 772s and A332/3s and such. The 788 is pulling in a huge number of replacement orders for the 767, a smaller plane. Airbus should have offered a plane in this size but the closest they can do is to still sell A332s, which is a fine jet and meets the requirements of many carriers.

But in 7-10 years, airlines are going to need to replace larger jets.

The fact that the 787-9 isn't selling better is actually something Boeing needs to be concerned about, frankly. Even with the bump in MTOW already, they may need to offer a 787-9ER relatively quickly to compete. I also think they'd be wise to think about a 787-5/6 which have a lower MTOW and 5500nm range like the A330, as the range of the 787-3 is just too low for most carriers who need a midrange widebody jet (UA, AA, BA, etc.)



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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9430 times:

This is interesting & unexpected. Unexpected because 9W has 10 A330s on order with options of 10 more. I would appreciate if someone can provide the delivery schedule of those A/C.

Now 9W is ordering 10 787-8 for delivery between July 2011 & Dec 2012.
It would be interesting to see what they do with their A330 A/C.


User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9392 times:

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 19):
Even the "magicians" at Airbus can't pull that off!?!?

Who needs magicians? Airbus' numbers are always transparent on the level........


25 TeamAmerica : I don't agree. I think the preferrence for the 788 demonstrates that the size is right.
26 Behramjee : The B 788 is an ideal medium density long range aircraft which would allow 9W to fly from niche markets in India such as ATQ/AMD/HYD to popular cities
27 Atmx2000 : I suspect if the numbers don't come close, they'll push orders into the new year to pad their 2007 results.
28 Karan69 : Altough i mentioned this above, I forgot that so is the 332 perfect for the same mission profile as the 788--barring the fact that the 788 can fly fu
29 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : Great news for a new year! Congrats to Boeing, 787 program, and 9W.
30 Zvezda : I don't think so. Having a signed order is a lot better than having an unsigned order. I don't believe Airbus would hold off an order because it's pe
31 Beech19 : I agree 100% on this. I bet we will see 789 orders pick up down the road, probably after 787-10 is launched. Though i agree with the hypothetical 785
32 WINGS : The A330's should actually have better economics vs the B788 on shorter legs. The A330 may still be the best option for short- medium routes served b
33 Atmx2000 : I think you are reading too much into it. The 787-9 EIS 4 years away. Think how many firm orders the 787-8 had in mid 2004 and compare that to what t
34 Zvezda : No 787-8ER?
35 Atmx2000 : I've heard Leahy claim this but I'm not sure that is the case. For short routes 9Y configurations will be more common, putting the 788 in the same sp
36 Beech19 : Its possible... but with a range of 8500nm+ already is it needed? For only a few certain routes. There might be potential we will see a 787-8ER/LR (p
37 Concorde001 : In all the interviews with Naresh Goyal about Jet Airway's international expansion, time and again the following British airports have been mentioned
38 Karan69 : Ok, but the question is which are viable. Lets say out of the 30 aircraft--4-5 will be used on the current routes they serve to LHR., replacing the l
39 NYC777 : A lot of expansion possibilieties esp to the US/Canada and Europe and we shouldn't forget Africa (large Indian population)
40 Stitch : I imagine those airlines will just "eat" the 19,000lb OEW difference and buy the 787-8, as it would allow them to do anything. I'm just not sure it i
41 Ikramerica : But availability is now 5-6 years away.
42 Zvezda : Don't overlook the gate compatibility advantages of the 787-3.
43 Ikramerica : No need to boost the wing in any way, and the 787-3 has the same tankage as the 787-8. It's only MTOW, and we don't know that the 787-3 couldn't have
44 Post contains links NYC777 : Here's Boeing press release on the order. It is a new order and wasn't a order that was previously unidentified. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070102/sf
45 DfwRevolution : Carriers like NW flew the DC-10 for years after many carriers adopted the 777 and A340. I don't think anyone expects the A330 to drop off the face of
46 Atmx2000 : I mentioned that. It doesn't help uptake of 787-9's. If someone wants a 787-9 as soon as possible, they have to move fast because the prospective 787
47 Ikramerica : The 358X, which has how many orders? My take is not on range, but on payload over a distance. It's 8600nm range is okay, but if you want to carry a b
48 Beech19 : True... but a 787-9 with Max payload isn't going to come close to those numbers. Where as a a 787-9ER might have a range of 10000nm+ with payload but
49 Post contains images NYC777 :
50 WINGS : I'm sorry to say this NYC777, but that picture looks shocking in 9W livery. Hopefully by the time 9W receives it's first B787, they will have adopted
51 N328KF : That's a pretty ugly livery.
52 Stitch : But if that was something important to the airlines, why then did they reject the first 7E7 specification which was closer in dimensions to the 767 a
53 NYC777 : I agree Wings. I think that 9Ws livery is totally outdated though I think it did look good on their leases A340s. They need something with a little bi
54 Post contains images Beech19 : I'm assuming when you say it looks shocking you mean that as a bad thing? Personally i think its not too bad... but of course i LOVE the SQ livery th
55 BlatantEcho : livery looks fantastic.
56 Post contains images Kaitak744 : As does the 777-300ER... So, 10 777-300ERs, and 10 787-8s. 777-300ERBOM-LHR, DEL-LHR, BOM-JFK, and what else? 787-8 BOM-LAX, BOM-SFO, BOM-ORD, BOM-MA
57 Post contains images Wukka : I agree with the "not so great" livery posters. A cheatline is awesome and takes you back to the "old-tyme" days of flight. But using a cheatline as a
58 Post contains links and images N328KF : Such as? View Large View MediumPhoto © BernieC
59 Post contains links Beech19 : Here it is... It WAS an order completed in December 2006 as we thought. Official Boeing press release: http://boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q1/070102b
60 Post contains links Tayaramecanici : Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 56): So, 10 777-300ERs, and 10 787-8s. 777-300ERBOM-LHR, DEL-LHR, BOM-JFK, and what else? 787-8 BOM-LAX, BOM-SFO, BOM-ORD, BO
61 Ikramerica : Well, we have yet to see carriers that have to worry about that order the 787 for those routes. AA, UA, BA, DL all have large 767 fleets, and there m
62 Stitch : That is a valid point. And so is this one, since I am sure they'd like to be able to stuff more planes into HND and regional airports now seeing 773
63 Manny : If i am not mistaken the decision was made sometime around the time the first US-India nonstop was introduced by AA. But now with more nonstops( 3 to
64 CHI787ORD : Im a little wary about 9W starting services to ORD. AI already operates 10 flights a week, AA 7 a week, and the countless other European Airlines offe
65 InitRef : 9W was cleared by US State Dept a while back - in fact if you read the document - things started to move at the US end only after the Indian Govt cle
66 Tayaramecanici : ah, missed this news completely, is there a link you could kindly sign post. I thought the Q207 dates were another PR from 9W, has 9W moved HQ to BLR
67 Post contains links 15A : The US Ops according to a business standard article today http://www.business-standard.com/com...r&autono=270061&subLeft=1&leftnm=1 is scheduled to st
68 Post contains images Gr8Circle : AI operates a daily 744 (ie. 7 flights a week) to ORD, as far as I know....
69 InitRef : Don't have the links handy, but there was certainly a thread on a.net I also read the pdf doc from a DoT website (I think). 9W is still in BOM, the B
70 Ikramerica : Well it will be a moot point if these carriers do buy the 788 as is in large numbers. But we'll see. The problem is, Airbus doesn't offer an alternat
71 Tayaramecanici : Jet Airways clears US hurdle India's Jet Airways aims to launch services to the USA in mid-2007 with rights it took nearly two years to secure. The a
72 Stevens91 : Another Mixed Fleet Airline !!!
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