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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

Is the BA Connect takeover still going ahead? Because I was looking on the BE website and, although their summer 2007 timetables are up and for sale, there is no information on former BA routes.

In the original press release, BE said former BA Connect routes for summer 2007 (when the transition period is completed) would be for sale on the BE website "no later than 1st January 2007".

Also, there is still no news of a new BA Connect timetable from LCY.

All this is meant to be complete in less than three months. Does anybody know the latest on the takeover? Any news or gossip?


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User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

LGW's BACON routes to IOM and INV are bookable at ba.com right throughout the summer still, would have thought they would have switched to the flybe booking engine by now.

Perhaps the changes will be made this month.


User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4687 times:

The takeover has been delayed until 31st January.

I have just found this website, which details the nature of the takeover and its progress. It also gives information about the future of the new airline.

Click below for website:

Flybe - The Next Generation

[Edited 2007-01-02 14:10:27]

User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4104 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

I'm glad BE tookover BACON, it looks from that website as if there's a very good future for them in the UK market.


Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineLGWspeedbird From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting LGW (Reply 1):
IOM and INV are bookable at ba.com right throughout the summer still

So we are not going to loose the IOM and INV in march then when the schedules change?



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User currently offlineLite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

As has already been stated, the proposed date of the takeover has now been postponed until the end of the month. This will allow more time for both external authorities such as the OFT to complete their investigations of the proposed merger and for the two airlines involved to work through what will be the outcome.

Concerning IOM and INV, I have no idea what the future holds in terms of new or existing routes, but both airports have been pencilled in by flybe as airports which will gain a flybe lounge - so they must figure pretty highly in the airline's plans.


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

I was against the buy at forst, but now I think FlyBe will serve better than BA now

User currently offlineLite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

I'm all for the merger between flybe and British Airways, as it's obvious that flybe are going to serve the regions far more successfully and with far more focus than British Airways ever did. Flybe have successfully demonstrated over the last few years that they can profitably operate regional aircraft from regional airports to a mixture of business and leisure cities with good service and decent prices. They have further committed to their growth by ordering some of the most modern aircraft around, which are both comfortable for passenger and economic for the airline. Contrast this to BA's dwindling route network, huge losses and quickly ageing fleet. The only downside to flybe seems to be the ugly uniforms, otherwise a modern brand for a good airline.

User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

Quoting Lite (Reply 7):
The only downside to flybe seems to be the ugly uniforms, otherwise a modern brand for a good airline.

Their uniforms are horrid, though I agree, they have a modern brand. But I was thinking, considering that BA will have a 15% share in Flybe, would it not be a good idea for BA and BE to combine brands? Maybe something like this would allow BE to retain its popular name (Flybe) and gain some of the strengths associated with the BA brand? This could allow BA to retain a presence in the regions.



By retaining 'Flybe' as the official name of the airline (instead of 'British Airways') and incorporating it with the BA logo, I think there is a good balance. The public will recognise that while part of the BA family and the excellent service BA is renowned for, Flybe is a unique low-cost product.

What do you think? Please feel free to comment!  Wink


User currently offlineLite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

To an extent I agree with you that the British Airways influence ought to be felt with the new flybe, in order to use BA's powerful branding and to keep sweet some of the influential high yielding Executive Club passengers. On the other hand, flybe have done very well for themselves creating a vibrant and interesting brand all by themselves, and this brand is very visible in the communities that flybe serve. From an emotional perspective, it would be nice to see planes in BA liveries flying around the UK, and of course the "be" part in "flybe" stands for British European, BEA being one of the parts that made up British Airways.

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 8):

I LOVE that logo you designed... but I personally doubt it would happen. Lets not forget its FlyBe taking over the BA subsidiary and not the other way round!


User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3830 times:

Now flybe should acquire European Aviation Air Charter to start to offer long-haul low-fares  bouncy 

[Edited 2007-01-03 16:25:44]

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3811 times:

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 11):
European Aviation Air Charter

Do they still have the 747s? I thought they were only using one or two 737-200s now?


User currently offlineLite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

I have to agree, I think that the BA based flybe logo looks really good, but BA have said that their investment is really only short-term until flybe is floated on the stock market. Personally, I'd like to see BA keep their investment, if not make it bigger, so that British Airways stays "British" with a prosperous regional arm and their brand in the regions, but it's a pipe dream.

Far more realistic would be to have flybe introduce a nicer crew uniform!


User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 12):

Yeah, according to Planespotters.net EAAC has three 732 in service and one 742 stored.
Anyway, Bournemouth is a good market to flybe makes more investments.


User currently offlineCRJ900X From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

When will Flybe begin to retire the EMB-145's and the Dash 8Q-300's from the BA Connect fleet?

Cheers,

CRJ900X


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 2):
The takeover has been delayed until 31st January.

I have just found this website, which details the nature of the takeover and its progress.

Thanks for the info.

Quoting Lite (Reply 5):
Concerning IOM and INV, I have no idea what the future holds in terms of new or existing routes

The plan originally was to send the LGW to IOM and INV routes to BE, but I wouldn't be surprised if BA thought "actually we'd quite like to keep those two routes". It would mean they would have to base an Avro or two at LGW.

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 8):
But I was thinking, considering that BA will have a 15% share in Flybe, would it not be a good idea for BA and BE to combine brands?

Maybe BA mainline will become really profitable in a decade or two so BE comes a "wholly owned subsidiary". One can hope!

Quoting CRJ900X (Reply 15):
When will Flybe begin to retire the EMB-145's and the Dash 8Q-300's from the BA Connect fleet?

As soon as possible I imagine. I expect they'll be gone by the end of the summer season, so when the new integrated timetable comes out in October, all routes will be operated by BE aircraft.



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User currently offlineCardiffairtaxi From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

[quote=Sam1987,reply=16]Quoting CRJ900X (Reply 15):
When will Flybe begin to retire the EMB-145's and the Dash 8Q-300's from the BA Connect fleet?

As soon as possible I imagine. I expect they'll be gone by the end of the summer season, so when the new integrated timetable comes out in October, all routes will be operated by BE aircraft.

I,at first thought the BA aircraft would be gone asap,but reading FlyBE website,they are letting the Dash 8-300's run until their lease is up,but also stated that the Exeter base is gearing up to service the EMB 145's.


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

Quoting Cardiffairtaxi (Reply 17):
I,at first thought the BA aircraft would be gone asap,but reading FlyBE website,they are letting the Dash 8-300's run until their lease is up,but also stated that the Exeter base is gearing up to service the EMB 145's.

Really? Seems the so called "transition period" is going to be longer than BE originally hoped...



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User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 14):
Bournemouth is a good market to flybe makes more investments.

I can't see it happening with such a large base just up the road at SOU. Maybe but I think it will be unlikely. However I agree there is a good market out of BOH though for someone like air southwest which there are rumours about.



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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Quoting BMED (Reply 19):
I can't see it happening with such a large base just up the road at SOU. Maybe but I think it will be unlikely.

There is another base at EXT too. However, BE has no long-haul service out of any of its bases.
E7 is known for that kind of service and BE could take advantage of it.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3237 times:
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Quoting Cardiffairtaxi (Reply 17):
reading FlyBE website,they are letting the Dash 8-300's run until their lease is up

So are all those leases up by April as they're not planning to have any by then?


User currently offlineJobsaGoodun From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Quoting Cardiffairtaxi (Reply 17):
I,at first thought the BA aircraft would be gone asap,but reading FlyBE website,they are letting the Dash 8-300's run until their lease is up,but also stated that the Exeter base is gearing up to service the EMB 145's.

With BACon having about 6 Q300's and 20 odd EMB145's there is no hope that all of these can be replaced over such a short timescale as the 6mth summer 2007 season. Taking a realistic approach, Flybe will want rid of these aircraft as quickly as possible but that can only happen, (a) as quickly as Bombardier can produce replacement Q400's and (b) as quickly as Flybe can retrain all the Q300/145 crews to operate the new Flybe Q400's/195's to be delivered.

This was always going to take until about 2009 to fully complete, however given that BA are footing the bill for much of the associated costs (to the tune of £115million, I read) Flybe will not be overly concerned about this in the short-term.

By converting more bookings via the internet (currently approx 85% for Flybe and just 30% BACon) you'll find that the 145's will immediately become more profitable with Flybe anyway, however there is no chance in them staying long term. Flybe has a overtion towards the expensive little buggers, having had its fingers burnt already with the CRJ a few years back.


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Update: there is now new information online at http://www.nextgenerationairline.com/ with a confirmed start date of 1st April 2007.

There's lots of interesting stuff on the website including staff and aircraft details.

However, BA Connect flights throughout the summer timetable are still for sale on the BA website, with the operating airline "BA Connect" (no mention of BE).



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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Quoting JobsaGoodun (Reply 22):
By converting more bookings via the internet (currently approx 85% for Flybe and just 30% BACon) you'll find that the 145's will immediately become more profitable with Flybe anyway, however there is no chance in them staying long term

Have I mis-understood or should these % figures add up to 100%????????


25 Vfw614 : No, they should not. BA currently sells 30 per cent tickets via the internet, whereas BE selles 85 per cent via the internet.
26 8herveg : I think BA Connect and FlyBE should have merged and formed a British Airways subsidiary called British Regional: - FlyBE's current aircraft (Embraers/
27 AceFreighter : Meanwhile - back on earth......
28 8herveg : It wasn't that much in 'dream world'. People have to start up airlines somehow!
29 BA787 : It was going well until the B787 theory: Wouild never work, would be glorious, but wouldnt work. AA and BA have dropped routes left right and center
30 8herveg : Ok point taken about the B787 theory. Thanks for the advice and not laughing in my face at it! Much better to have someone explain, than for someone
31 Humberside : Gone Long Haul
32 Post contains images Diesel1 : Meanwhile - back on earth...... Surely then it would be BA taking over FlyBE? Given what BA have achieved with BACon and its predecessors, probably no
33 BMED : Like Brymon, Manx that no longer exsit.
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