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A380F Upper Deck Windows And Door  
User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

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This image shows windows and door much further forward on the upper deck than the pax version. Why doesnt the fwd section get used on the pax version?

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User currently offlineMarquis From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 274 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7181 times:

It may be due to lavatories and galleys being located there in the pax version. Afterall it is just an assumption.


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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7181 times:

Probably because on the pax version, they'd be a galley there, plus a few bogs. So there wouldnt be any pax that far forward. Cargo dont need a galley, well not as big as the pax version, so they can push this all further forward.

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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8638 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

That would be an emergency exit/slide for the crew. Freighters usually they have some bunks and J class seats, and a small galley.

Often see a number of people in that area, especially when transporting horses.

Most cargo airlines are not allowed to carry passengers on freighters, so horse trainers etc are actually listed as crew for those flights, hence the accommodation provided.



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User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7084 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 3):
That would be an emergency exit/slide for the crew. Freighters usually they have some bunks and J class seats, and a small galley.

Often see a number of people in that area, especially when transporting horses.

Most cargo airlines are not allowed to carry passengers on freighters, so horse trainers etc are actually listed as crew for those flights, hence the accommodation provided.

Thanks but that was not what I was asking. Have a read of my post again.

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User currently offlineSean377 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1225 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6967 times:

Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
Why doesnt the fwd section get used on the pax version?

LOL! According to this cutaway, it does get used.

http://www.stevey.com/2005/11/25/large-planes/

Mind you, there is also a bar, restuarant and duty free shop!

[Edited 2007-01-02 14:58:55]


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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8638 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 4):
Thanks but that was not what I was asking. Have a read of my post again.

Not sure I understand your question then...you do know the location of the staircase, and that it is not required on a freighter ?



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User currently offlineFerret From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

Quoting Sean377 (Reply 5):

Not sure why, but that image doesn't exactly seem current.
Its interesting to note the location of the staircase on the PAX version. It seems like it would chew up valuable cargo space on the freighter. I wonder how access to the crew seats, galley, etc. will be provided on the Freighter. It seems a waste of space to have a staircase to the upperdeck. Is it necessary for other reasons?



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User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

Just for info I know VS wanted (and had seating plans) that included the staircase at doors 2. Airbus denied this option though as too costly to produce just for one carrier.

User currently offlineFerret From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6568 times:

Just for reference, here's another cutaway of the A380-800 PAX version.
http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=9140

I think if you look at side-by-side images of the PAX and freighter versions, you will note that the upper deck door is moved forward on the freighter. It appears to me that the space is utilized up to the same position forward in both variants. It may be possible that they can go a little further forward if the air conditioning equipment size can be reduced. But I doubt by that much because headroom starts to diminish it seems.

Any cutaways of the freighter version out there?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21414 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6536 times:

It's because there's no stair case, and because the freighter front section need not be passenger friendly in the same way. It can have lower ceilings, no overhead bins, etc.

The upstairs door position on the A380pax is also influenced by the doors below, as you need to be able to get jetways to all three, and to have all three slides come out without interfering with each other. In the F version, these aren't considerations.



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User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6297 times:

Quoting Ferret (Reply 9):
Any cutaways of the freighter version out there?

You'll find pictures of the suggested interior configuration on the A380F here:
A380 Airport Compatibility Brochure


User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6270 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 11):
You'll find pictures of the suggested interior configuration on the A380F here:
A380 Airport Compatibility Brochure

Page 29. Fantastic, cheers.


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 4):
Thanks but that was not what I was asking. Have a read of my post again.

It is remarks like that that have driven alot of previous knowledgeable industry professionals away from this website.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21414 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

After looking at the Airbus documentation, the UPS rendering is wrong anyway.

The plane has a real door on both sides on the main deck. There is also a real door at the back on the left.

On the upper deck there are two emergency doors similar to overwing exits.

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 13):
It is remarks like that that have driven alot of previous knowledgeable industry professionals away from this website.

It's not his fault people were answering the wrong question. I say that because I found his question quite clear...  Wink



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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2131 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5467 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
The upstairs door position on the A380pax is also influenced by the doors below, as you need to be able to get jetways to all three, and to have all three slides come out without interfering with each other.

 checkmark  The large amount of windowless space in the A388 pax 'forehead' arises because door 6 is not installed on that variant. Door 6 will appear in the A389 stretch (should market demand warrant, void where prohibited  smile  )


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21414 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 15):
Door 6 will appear in the A389 stretch

So 3 jetway A380 gates need to be able to have the upper jetway position behind jetway 2 -OR- between jetway 1 and 2? How does that work? Or are they going still go to what will be door 7?



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User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 13):
It is remarks like that that have driven alot of previous knowledgeable industry professionals away from this website.

Who opened your box Leezy? My question was clear and my response to Zeke perfectly polite.

Just goes to show what a strange website this is................Leezy you used to stick up for me when I was a different username. I have changed job and company now. Is there a VS/BA chip on your shoulder??


User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2131 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2382 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):
So 3 jetway A380 gates need to be able to have the upper jetway position behind jetway 2 -OR- between jetway 1 and 2? How does that work? Or are they going still go to what will be door 7?

I think the A388 would be doors 1, 2 and 7 (since there is no door 6), and the A389 doors 1, 2 and 6. The second and third jetways can presumably reach either deck. I strongly doubt this has been overlooked in the design of the jetways, since they were developed in consultation with Airbus.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21414 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 18):
The second and third jetways can presumably reach either deck.

That makes sense. I didn't mean to imply it was overlooked by anyone, just wondering how it would be accomplished.



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