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US Airways To Expand Philadelphia-Europe Flights  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11854 times:

Athens, Greece daily 762 effective May 25 (US 758/759) seasonal
Brussels, Belgium daily 752 effective June 1 (US 710/711)
Zurich, Switzerland daily 762 effective June 8 (US 750/751)


You find the flights above already bookable on usairways.com


Regards

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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11810 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
US Airways To Expand Philadelphia-Europe Flights

Please do a search before posting. These routes were announced and loaded back in September.



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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11669 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 1):
These routes were announced in September.

Not officially I suppose.
Anyway it seems only yesterday US loaded up the new routes on GDS/CRS systems. For more details, these are the schedules


US 758 ATH PHL 4.00 PM 08.55 AM
US 759 PHL ATH 11.25 AM 15.35 PM

US 750 PHL BRU 8:30 PM 10:20 AM
US 751 BRU PHL 12:40 PM 3:25 PM

US 710 PHL ZRH 6:10 PM 8:05 AM
US 711 ZRH PHL 10:25 AM 1:35 PM


User currently offlineUsair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11465 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 2):
US 758 ATH PHL 4.00 PM 08.55 AM
US 759 PHL ATH 11.25 AM 15.35 PM

PHL.
Thats an odd timeframe for a transatlantic. I think you got the flight in the wrong order as a flight leaving PHL at 11:25 would get in well past 15:35 so i think the first one is PHL-ATH and the second one is ATH-PHL. I honestly say they should pull the A333 off from MAd in the summer of 08 and send it to ATH if the route goes well during 07.


User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11369 times:

Any aircraft operating this route for US Airways is going to be VERY weight restricted, correct?


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11355 times:

Flying through PHL last night, let me just say this.. God help those flying on those routes.. it's a good chance they will miss their connections if someone sneezes outside.. sheesh!


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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11312 times:
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With NW beginning DTW-BRU in may, we will get two new 752 services to the U.S !!


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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11156 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 5):
Flying through PHL last night, let me just say this.. God help those flying on those routes.. it's a good chance they will miss their connections if someone sneezes outside.. sheesh!

People always say that but I've never had a problem. Then again, I also leave plenty of time to actually do what I need to do there. People get so pissed off at massive airports and cry foul, yet only leave them selfs 45 minutes for a transfer. Get there a few hours early. Take some time, go spot. You'll be a lot less stressed.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11048 times:

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 7):
People always say that but I've never had a problem. Then again, I also leave plenty of time to actually do what I need to do there. People get so pissed off at massive airports and cry foul, yet only leave them selfs 45 minutes for a transfer. Get there a few hours early. Take some time, go spot. You'll be a lot less stressed.

What in the world are you talking about? I don't set up the connection time.. US Airways does. I just take what they offer. And who wants to be in PHL for hours? It just means that you gonna be sitting for hours, just for your flight to be delayed or cancelled. That's not a good thing. I have flown through PHL several, several, SEVERAL times.. and I would average delayed flights about 60% of the time.. cancelled flights about 40%.. but is that any kind of record an airline or an airport would want? Mostly, it's weather problems.. but a problem is a problem.. there isn't much to be done about weather, but overall.. PHL just gets thumbs down for me..



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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11011 times:

I don't care where I am at for hours as long as I have my camera, to answer that question. Be it PHL or be it in the middle of a swamp.

Every problem I've come across in PHL has been weather related, yet some how US Airways is to blame for above average poor weather in the PHL area? Sure they do have a fairly set up there, but lets be honest, the problem is overblown.

Although I did go through there once and the building had no air conditioning. I regretted not going to CLT that day.



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10942 times:

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 4):
Any aircraft operating this route for US Airways is going to be VERY weight restricted, correct?

The 762 actually has a fair amount of range, something like 6600nm for the ER version. Don't know about the regular version.


User currently offlineAirMale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10917 times:

I am not quite sure if ZRH needs extra transatlantic flights. Is their (US Airways) connectivity out of PHL much better, then lets say UA via IAD, or AA, DL, CO via their respective hubs?


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User currently offlineS5FA170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10843 times:

I'd say its better than United at Dulles - comparable to CO in EWR, but not as great as DL in ATL or American in Chicago (different set of markets for connections, really).

-Tony



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User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10844 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 2):
US 759 PHL ATH 11.25 AM 15.35 PM

Slight correction, there's no such thing as 1535 PM when using military time. Cheers, Happy New Year!


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10807 times:

I'm sorry, here the right ATH schedule

US 758 PHL ATH 04.00 PM 08.55 AM
US 759 ATH PHL 11.25 AM 03.35 PM

: )


User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10640 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
I have flown through PHL several, several, SEVERAL times.. and I would average delayed flights about 60% of the time.. cancelled flights about 40%.. but is that any kind of record an airline or an airport would want? Mostly, it's weather problems.. but a problem is a problem.. there isn't much to be done about weather, but overall.. PHL just gets thumbs down for me..

You sir, have very bad timing. Please let me know the next time you're headed through there, I'm taking that day off. PHL does not have problems like that on a daily basis.

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 9):
Every problem I've come across in PHL has been weather related, yet some how US Airways is to blame for above average poor weather in the PHL area? Sure they do have a fairly set up there, but lets be honest, the problem is overblown.

PHL doesn't have slight weather problems. When there is a problem, it usually turns into a nightmare.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10384 times:

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 7):
People always say that but I've never had a problem. Then again, I also leave plenty of time to actually do what I need to do there. People get so pissed off at massive airports and cry foul, yet only leave them selfs 45 minutes for a transfer. Get there a few hours early. Take some time, go spot. You'll be a lot less stressed.

Well, keep in mind this is an airplane enthusiast web site. For most people (including, I'm sure, several of the road warriors on this site - myself included I know) don't relish the thought to sit and spot in an airport for hours when we could be on our way to our destination - we spend enough time at airports - I myself like to get to the airport 45 minutes before check-in; have a layover under an hour, and be in a car/bus/train within 15 minutes after landing. If I have a long layover, I go to a restaurant or club and relax there instead of spotting. Time is something I don't have a whole lot of - instead of spending extra time waiting in an airport, I'll spend that time with friends and family instead.


User currently offlineMBJ2000 From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10028 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):

After trying to take over Delta, US now spreads all over Europe, I propose starting a protest against US, how about selling buttons saying "Keep Europe My Europe"...

 Smile  duck 



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9966 times:

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 17):
After trying to take over Delta, US now spreads all over Europe, I propose starting a protest against US, how about selling buttons saying "Keep Europe My Europe"...

These routes were planned long before US attempted to buy DL. We knew about these routes late this summer at the earliest.



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User currently offlineClecofan From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9935 times:

Quoting AirMale (Reply 11):

Us does not offer better connections and an earlier quote of un relaiability at phl.....CO is definetly better in connections frem EWR


User currently offlineMBJ2000 From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9742 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 18):
Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 17):After trying to take over Delta, US now spreads all over Europe, I propose starting a protest against US, how about selling buttons saying "Keep Europe My Europe"...
These routes were planned long before US attempted to buy DL. We knew about these routes late this summer at the earliest.

I was trying to be funny, in fact I like US a lot ...  Smile



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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9203 times:

Quoting Clecofan (Reply 19):
Us does not offer better connections and an earlier quote of un relaiability at phl.....CO is definetly better in connections frem EWR

Here is the latest government data on EWR (CO) and PHL (US):

October 2006 (Last Available Report)
CO - EWR % On Time Arrivals = 66.2%
US - PHL % On Time Arrivals = 71.6%

July 2006
CO - EWR % On Time Arrivals = 61.7%
US - PHL % On Time Arrivals = 65.3%
Obviously neither of these are really acceptable, but EWR suffers from not only the NE Corridor FAA dilemma, but it's very close proximity to JFK and EWR.

Passengers Denied Boarding - All Airports (Involuntary) Jan-Sep 2006 - CO = 1.85% US = 1.11%

Consumer Complaints (Formal) - All Categories - All Airports - October 2006 - CO = 1.16/100K US = 1.06/100K

On another note: I'm surprised they did not use the 333 on the ATH route as originally planned and if you'll note, all 3 flights are departing AND arriving PHL from Terminal "B" - a Domestic Terminal. I find the arrival difficult to comprehend, unless they plan to use the airport (ala IAD) people movers to get passengers to A Immigration/Customs from an interim parking area.
If indeed they are using "B" for ATH, that's possibly why they switched to a 767.
Guess Parker didn't get his gates (yet).

[Edited 2007-01-03 00:01:56]

User currently offlineTpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9093 times:

I think he meant CO's EWR offers more connections, when thing go correctly. Which was supported by the last data I saw. However US's PHL is the seconds best hub in NE. (vs DL&AA@JFK and UA@IAD)

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8498 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8979 times:
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How many international range airplanes does USAir have ? They only have 8 A333 plus 767's and a handful of Atlantic capable 757's.

User currently offlineTommy777 From Norway, joined May 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

According to www.usair.com, USAir doesn't serve Athens, Greece. At least it's not bookable...

25 OA412 : Yeah I noticed that too although it is bookable via Travelocity.com for example.
26 Usairways85 : I would think the ZRH flt would at least be able to arrive at A and then taxi over to B to depart. It does arrive earlier in the afternoon before the
27 1981 : this is very good 3rd US Destination US AIR is welcome and everybody is welcome to visit our country ''Live Your Myth In Greece'' Summer 2007 in Greek
28 Helvknight : As they are both *A will US and LX codeshare on the ZRH route? I plugged the times into swiss.com and only got a connection on UA from BOS.
29 DTWAGENT : I will tell you this. When I went to GLA from PHL. I had 1 1/2 connection time. We got in from DTW on time, but when we got to the gate they had start
30 Vega : I think we're a little tired of hearing about your GLA trip from last year. What does your Flame Baiting post have to do with this thread and the sta
31 Charlipr : How come it is bookable in travelocity.com and not on usairways.com?
32 OA412 : Honestly, I have no idea but it is sort of strange. Perhaps they are waiting for the official press release before offering the flight for sale on th
33 Charlipr : I have been trying to book this flight since it was announced. Me and my wife are planning a 1 month vacation trip to Greece and I really want to fly
34 FlyDreamliner : US's have a paper derated MTOW and do apparently have some kind of derated PW engines, so the range is not 6600 per se for their birds.
35 Helvknight : All 3 flights are showing in the latest edition of the *A PC timetable.
36 L1011buff : someone else asked about US' transatlantic fleet. Can't they get anymore A333s or 767s to add and expand? There are so many aircraft not in use nowada
37 BlueElephant : Very Happy to Hear to see US adding additional Transatlantic routes. Athens, Brussels and Zurich are all airports that aren't served as well from the
38 USADreamliner : This is new for me, so, Thanks LIPZ for the information! I'm surprised to see ATH daily on US route system.
39 USPIT10L : They really can't get their hands on any more widebodies until the A350/787 decision is made. Of course, if the merger with DL goes through, that pro
40 Post contains links Ti717 : here is the PR: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070103/law053.html?.v=82
41 Whappeh : So the hardcore rumor that the 767 would not be going to ATH, and it would be the A330,in spite of how often the news said otherwise before is seemly
42 Panamair : AA operates their ZRH flights to/from both JFK and DFW. While UA does not have as many connecting possibilities at IAD than say DL in ATL or US in PH
43 ZRH : This is a valid question. Zurich has many US flights for the size of the airport: LX to JFK (twice a day), BOS, MIA, ORD, LAX and EWR (BBJ PrivatAir)
44 Vega : Well US got their gates in A-East today. DL will not be moving until at least the Fall and these 3 new flights will be using A-East.
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