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User currently offlineStarCityFlyr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

As an old war horse traveler, I've often wondered if any of the Commercial Aircraft Seat designers ever actually sit in the seats they design. On most domestic commercial flights, I found the seats to be just slightly above those of an old stage coach or buck board wagon. Being 6'2" and not of necessarily large girth (200 lbs), I've thought many times that there was no sense of reality between the seats that are designed and the souls that are expected to park their fannies in them for any extended period of time.

Comments, thoughts or experiences? (and please, keep it clean  crowded  )

Happy Flying!

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User currently offlineBrettFromCLT From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

I'm 5'10" and 210, and always find the seats comfortable enough as long as I am not next to the guy I was next to on my last flight on a US 757. He shared a good portion of my seat. The pitch is usually what gets to me - it's hard to read when the pax in front reclines.

Happy New Year all!

Brett


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30632 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3013 times:
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I imagine some of it comes from the reinforcement these seats are required to have in order to survive the stresses of air travel and to try and survive the stresses of air crashing.

User currently offlineACEtraveller From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

There is more emphasis today on cutting down weight, due to the higher fuel costs. One way of achieving this is, unfortunately for us, by changing the seat design such as making the cushions and padding a lot thinner. That, along with lowering seat pitch and cramming an extra seat in per row, could explain why you don't think they are too comfy. That is for Y class anyway, more pax consideration goes into seat design, and cabin layout, for J and F class.

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30632 posts, RR: 84
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2911 times:
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Quoting ACEtraveller (Reply 3):
There is more emphasis today on cutting down weight, due to the higher fuel costs. One way of achieving this is, unfortunately for us, by changing the seat design such as making the cushions and padding a lot thinner.

Fortunately, some seat manufacturers have a clue. AS' 737NGs have thinner seat backs and seat cushions, however they are still comfortable and it works out to giving you about an extra inch or two in "usable legroom" up around the knee area, which is nice for us tall folk.


User currently offlineAustralia1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Quoting BrettFromCLT (Reply 1):
The pitch is usually what gets to me - it's hard to read when the pax in front reclines.

Seems to us, that too much talk of seat pitch, which doesn't take into account seat thickness. Instead of talking about seat pitch, should be talking about distance between seats, eg.

2 airlines have same seat pitch in Y, but has seat which is 1 inch thicker, so effectively 1 inch less space.

Older seats tend to be thicker, whereas newer seats tend to be thinner & presumably lighter, but does that mean more comfortable.

Ryanair are going to no recline & no seat back pocket or meal tray. Does this actually increase room? Is there fixed seat back angle same as forward position with most reclining seats or somewhere in between full forward & full back positions?

Sat on a NZ 767 4 or 5 years ago, where seat back didn't recline, but the whole seat pivoted, so when seat back moved back, so did seat base, so angle remained the same (finding this hard to explain)


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2684 times:
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Quoting Australia1 (Reply 5):
Ryanair are going to no recline & no seat back pocket or meal tray. Does this actually increase room? Is there fixed seat back angle same as forward position with most reclining seats or somewhere in between full forward & full back positions?

The meal tray is still there, at least on the brand new B738 I flew some months ago. The seats are in upright position and are not that bad for their two-hour flights and seat pitch is 30 inches which is bearable for a six-footer like me.

I see more and more airlines are introducing the skinny Recaro seat in A320 aircraft (SWISS, TACA etc)... wonder how comfy they really are...



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

Quoting StarCityFlyr (Thread starter):
if any of the Commercial Aircraft Seat designers ever actually sit in the seats they design.

Yes and most would prefer design constraints that facilitate more comfort than what modern Y class allows.

Remember it is the airlines that set the requirements that cause the designers to create less than optimal (in the eye of the pax) designs.

Tod


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