A350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 23 Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 19307 times:
Those are the goals in terms of airplane types, but there are way more important ones. Airbus has to bring the Power8 consolidation program on path, and Boeing has to manage to assemble the first Dreamliner. If both works, 2007 will almost certainly be a good year for aviation!
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WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69 Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 19234 times:
Quoting A350 (Reply 1): Those are the goals in terms of airplane types, but there are way more important ones. Airbus has to bring the Power8 consolidation program on path, and Boeing has to manage to assemble the first Dreamliner. If both works, 2007 will almost certainly be a good year for aviation!
Also a very good points.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2): Winning some major A350 sales might be the top goal at Airbus for 2007.
Agree. I would also not be surprised to see 2007 as a major year for WB sales from Airbus (if not the best year), due to the following.
A306F- Possibility of continuing with the line.
A332F- Industrial launch
A332/3 - Follow on orders. Interim solution until A350X
A350X- (SQ, China, Qatar, ect...)
A388- new orders/option conversions.
A350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 19215 times:
Obviously both A and B have long to do-lists and all your comments are correct. In my reply (1) I posted what are the most important and challenging jobs for the new year in my eyes.
ok guys, my holidays are over, I have to work tomorrow. Have fun on A.net!
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Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 65 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 19188 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 3): A388- new orders/option conversions.
If there are no additional problems, this could happen in 2008. I don't expect any new customer orders before EIS. As for option conversions, the most likely three (LH, QF, and SQ) have already made their moves. I think AF, VS, and UPS can be ruled out. The others (QR, KE, and especially ILFC) seem unlikely. Airbus' best hope for new WhaleJet sales in 2007 might be a follow-on order from TG to settle compensation claims -- despite their not holding options. I think a more likely deal with be either A330s or A350s to settle compensation claims or a conversion of the WhaleJet order to 12 to 15 A350s.
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19138 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5): The others (QR, KE, and especially ILFC) seem unlikely.
If QR can come to an agreement with Airbus they will firm up the other 2 A380s Mr. Al Baker said. Seems not unlikely that QR will come to an agreement.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5): the most likely three (LH, QF, and SQ) have already made their moves.
Too funny! All of a sudden you call SQ one of the most likely to firm up their A380s.
Quoting WINGS (Reply 3): A388- new orders/option conversions.
TG might place an order before the end of the month. Other current A380 customers that might order more soon are EY and EK. BA and possibly CX and OZ could become new A380 customers this year.
DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18977 times:
I think Airbus first priority is to clean up the internal mess of 2006. Then they will push forward with A-380 EIS and A-350XWB design.
Boeing will be full steam ahead with 787 and 747-8 programs. On the side they will begin work on 737 replacement.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3267 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18874 times:
Quoting Manni (Reply 6): TG might place an order before the end of the month. Other current A380 customers that might order more soon are EY and EK
Barring a disaster Ek will order at least 2 more to replace the two leased from ILFC that have been deferred. I predict a few good sized A350X orders some of which will be conversions from the XNB. I also predict that there may be a couple of big orders from the US legacy carriers for narrow bods and 787s
Flysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18847 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2): Winning some major A350 sales might be the top goal at Airbus for 2007.
I think that the top goal for Airbus has to be that the A380 has no more delays. They have everything riding on that program. For Boeing, no announced delays to either the 787 or the 747-8 programs.
OldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3215 posts, RR: 66 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18834 times:
One comment on the opening post:
The 777F first flight will not occur until 2008.
As far as the Airbus milestones go:
The first priority must be to get some orders for the A350XWB. It has been very quiet for the past six months since the A350XWB debut and the SQ order.
I think that they must get a new A380 customer onboard in 2007. One of Leahy's announced goals for the airplane was two new customers per year. They are far short of meeting this target and it doesn't bode well for the airplane's future. While conventional wisdom on A.net says things will pick up after EIS, I don't think Airbus can stand to wait another year for additional customers. If performance is really better than the pre-flight estimates, Airbus should be able to put together an impressive story for new customers given the amount of flight testing and route proving the airplane has done, making it unnecessary to wait for EIS and the first operational results.
Airplane design is easy, the difficulty is getting them to fly - Barnes Wallis
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3267 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18834 times:
Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 9): I think that the top goal for Airbus has to be that the A380 has no more delays. They have everything riding on that program. For Boeing, no announced delays to either the 787 or the 747-8 programs.
Is the first flight for the 787 still due in the summer of this year?
OldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3215 posts, RR: 66 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18822 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 11): Is the first flight for the 787 still due in the summer of this year?
Yes, roll out in July, first flight in August.
Airplane design is easy, the difficulty is getting them to fly - Barnes Wallis
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6302 posts, RR: 39 Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18771 times:
Airbus's first priority should be to somehow distance themselves from politicians. Until they can do that they will be hamstrung in their efforts to do anything efficiently. Boeing should abandon their WTO complaint, and declare that as long as Airbus has to follow every whim of German and French politicians they can have all the subsidies they want-it's more than a fair trade. Won't happen, of course, but it should.
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Beech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18771 times:
Quoting WINGS (Thread starter): If anyone has any other major points that deserve to be mentioned please feel free to mention them.
The 777F won't be doing anything this year.
But Boeings highlight will obviously be first build, rollout and first flight of the 787-8. I am personally proud to say i will be part of this amazing build.
Secondary Boeing will be EIS the 737-900ER(Lion) and the 737-700ER (ANA).
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 65 Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18682 times:
Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 10): The first priority must be to get some orders for the A350XWB. It has been very quiet for the past six months since the A350XWB debut and the SQ order.
SQ have not ordered the A350. They have only taken a LoI. Maybe they'll order it in 2007.
OldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3215 posts, RR: 66 Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18568 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 16): SQ have not ordered the A350. They have only taken a LoI. Maybe they'll order it in 2007.
Agreed. It just makes the A350XWB story even quieter.
Airplane design is easy, the difficulty is getting them to fly - Barnes Wallis
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6226 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18526 times:
Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 17): Agreed. It just makes the A350XWB story even quieter.
Not to mention the orders for 100+ A350 Mk. II-IV that we don't know the status of, and yet are still on the books. And then there's the QR order.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6302 posts, RR: 39 Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18451 times:
If I were an airline exec I would want some justification of the claims Airbus is making about the A350 being more efficient than the 787, as well as details about their CFRP panel construction, plus a realistic delivery timetable before committing to it. I believe many airlines are committing to it because they want at least two players in the game, which I absolutely agree is necessary, but I think they need to hold Airbus's feet to the fire a little bit more. When Douglas introduced the DC-8 it did not quite live up to its promised performance, which hurt it badly down the road (Pan Am, for one, never ordered another after their initial order). Airbus should take note and not make the same mistake.
The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
TeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23 Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18414 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 18): Not to mention the orders for 100+ A350 Mk. II-IV that we don't know the status of, and yet are still on the books. And then there's the QR order.
QR did not actually order any A350's. Announced 60; never firmed.
As for the other orders, allow me to open a can of worms.
If the orders for the original A350 are not converted, Airbus stands to have 88 cancellations booked against 2005 net sales. That would give the 2005 orders race to Boeing.
On the other hand, if the original orders are carried forward, they've already been counted and thus can't be applied to 2007 and onward. In effect, Airbus may sell over 100 widebodies and not get to count them in the orders derby.
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