Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1523 times:
A330s in QF's fleet? Very interesting!!
Why didn't QF go for 777s for long-range twinjets!? they would've made good replacements (773) for the 747-200 and good intermediate a/c (772) in pax capacity between the 747 and the 763! And I'm talking about the LR series.
FLY DC JETS From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1410 times:
Boeing offered Singapore a 25% discount on the 747X. That is a great deal in itself. What made it even more ludicrus is that Boeing offered up front to buy the planes back after 10 years. I think you are looking at this situation from far too much of a slanted viewpoint.
Airbus discounts because Boeing has proven they will go just as far to win customers.
If you really want to see pathetic discounts and subsidies look at Rolls-Royce Plc. They gave Singapore a 98% discount on the Trent 900's for their A3XX's. Why, because they secured a no interest non-repayable loan from the British Government to subsidize the program. RR can't make money selling engines, but that is perfectly ok because the British Govt will bail them out even after all of their money losing deals.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11354 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1373 times:
And when exactly has Boeing sold below costs to undercut Airbus? You may be right, but I have serious doubts.
Anyways, I'll believe it when I see it. This report you've shown relies on anonymous sources. I would be skeptical of any report where no one names names and is accountable for their comments. (You should be too.)
Send me a PM at http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/sendmessage.main?from_username=NULL
AussieErj145 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1296 times:
The order for Airbus remains pure speculation and rumour until such time as an anouncement is made by either Qantas or Airbus.
Having said that the airline has said that it needs to replace the 'classic' 747's in it's fleet including the remaining -200's, -300's and a pair of SP's. They are looking at the Boeing 777-200LR and the A340-500.
this has been heard before but still does not mean anything until there is some confirmation one way or the other.
Qantas was indeed one of the original airlines that Airbus consulted when they were developing the design of the A3XX, and I guess it is possible that the A3XX might just end up in QF livery, but again it's pure speculation.
Recent magazine and news paper reports claim the A330-300 is about to be, or already has been ordered. Weight has been added to this one with Qantas saying it would use the A330-300 on Domestic and regeonal services to New Zealand and Asia and was looking at 6 aircraft. Again speculation.
On the back of all this it would be so easy to "rumour" an order for a fleet of A3XX's with a few A330 and A340-500 as well.
Sure it's possible, but don't hold your breath.
Who cares who out subsidises each other. At the end of the day it's what plane appears in what livery that counts.
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1291 times:
This seems somewhat unlikely considering Qantas's fanaticism with maintaining a three type fleet (737, 767, 747). Purchasing the A330 and A3XX would add another two types, which could still be filled with the current range (ie. 767-400 and 747-XXX). But perhaps with James Strong leaving (or has he already?) there is a new culture in the Qantas camp.
So while I think it unlikely Qantas will go with Airbus, if they do, I'd expect the A3XX before the A330, just to keep in touch with Singapore Airlines. There are always rumours amongst airline staff. I remember just last year I was told by two members of a cabin crew and the co-pilot that Air NZ was about to order Airbus narrowbodies and 777s. Sure buddy.
But after all, it's these rumours that keep us interested!!!
747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2792 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1230 times:
You realize of course that this would mean that Qantas would break their long marriage with Boeing, and once that's done they may very well go ahead and buy some other Airbus products...
Boeing REALLY needs to shift it into gear and make a competing plane!
"Mental health is reality at all cost." -- M. Scott Peck, 'The Road Less Traveled'
Mt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6593 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1228 times:
Wednesday November 1, 12:49 pm Eastern Time
Airbus denies report of 12 Qantas A3XX buys
(UPDATE: Updates with airbus denial, changes dateline, pvs LONDON)
PARIS, Nov 1 (Reuters) - European plane maker Airbus Industrie [ARBU.UL] on
Wednesday denied a France Info radio report that Australia's Qantas Airways Ltd
(Australia:QAN.AX - news) would buy 12 of its A3XX superjumbos and six A330-200
``We flatly deny this. It is absolutely wrong,'' an Airbus spokeswoman said.
Valuing the order at almost $4 billion, the broadcaster said Qantas would take options on a further six A3XXs, the 555-seater that
Airbus plans to launch early next year.
Industry weekly Flight International reported three weeks ago that Qantas was considering an order for 12 A3XXs and taking
options on six.
If Qantas does place such an order, Airbus will have signed preliminary agreements to supply 44 A3XXs. Airbus has recently said
it wants 50 orders before it commits the plane to production, compared with its earlier target of ``40 to 50''.
Qantas spokesmen were not immediately available. The company said on October 18 it was still considering options for upgrading
its fleet and expected to complete its evaluation by year-end.
Qantas is one of the most loyal customers of Airbus rival Boeing Co (NYSE:BA - news), with a mainline fleet composed entirely
of the U.S. company's products.
The Australian airline is an especially heavy user of Boeing's 747, the plane that Airbus aims to eclipse with the A3XX. In the
1980s, when it had no domestic operations, Qantas became the only airline to operate nothing but 747s.
In the category of smaller wide-body planes, Qantas has a long-standing requirement for 300-seat aircraft.
An order for either A330-300s or Boeing 777s has been expected but not one for A330-200s, which seat about 250 and are about
the same size as the 767-300s that Qantas already operates.
Airbus is a partnership of European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Co and Britain's BAE Systems Plc (quote from Yahoo! UK &
Raggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1188 times:
I reallylooked forward to seeing 777s in Quantas livery.
I think that the 772LR and 773ER makes more sense as a 74SP, 742 and 743 replacement than do 333s.
Let`s hope Quantas is just teasing us, and will go for Seattle products in the end...
At least that`s what I wish.
PANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 23, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1136 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW COMMUNITY MANAGER
Good post Mt99. Interestingly the original article mentioned in "The Age" also states that the reporter had just returned from trip to France paid for by Airbus. He therefore may have been less than objective in reporting both side of the fleet evaluation under way. I think that this order has been discussed well and truly on other web sites and I truly hope that QF do step up for the A3XX. That said I feel that QF will split their order and we may actually see some 764's ordered. On it's recent world tour after Farnborough the 764 demonstrator made an unscheduled visit to Sydney at the request of Qantas and the 777 series appears to be a better replacement for the older model 747's that Qantas want to replace. So IMHO I think that both Airbus and Boeing will end up making a sale to Qantas and as a avid spotter I'd love to see both products flying the Aussie flag!!