Logos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 768 posts, RR: 2 Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2911 times:
I've noticed that while several airlines (AirTran, etc.) have begun offering XM satellite radio in flight, no one has offered Sirius as of yet. Any particular reason that anyone's aware of?
Dw9115 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 449 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2882 times:
Jimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2834 times:
Quoting Dw9115 (Reply 1): One reason OPIE & ANTHONY need I say more!
Don't forget they ended up being desperate enough to go back to terrestrial radio
Quoting ChewingPlastic (Reply 2): Yeah, I'm also wondering why. I know Air Canada also chose XM. I thought they would go with the provider with more Canadian programming (Sirius).
Maybe XM's cheaper?
Probably XM is cheaper and their satellite is moving parallel, unlike figure 8 of Sirius. XM can also be desperate enough to get revenues because they lost the subscription growth numbers to Sirius.
Beech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2805 times:
I can speak from personal experience as i have both Sirius (its included in our satellite TV) and also XM Satellite in my cars. XM is a far better product with far more options. They also have the largest sports agreements with the most leagues and teams.
I personally don't like the Sirius. Unfortunatly here in the US, Ford has an agreement with them so my cars came with Sirius and i had to disable it and install XM.
Its just a better product, the Airlines have spoken.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2794 times:
Real easy one here. The airlines don't want their pax or their pax kiddies listening to Howard Stern. He's interesting to some, fun to others yet very offensive to another group. That's the group the airlines are afraid off.
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727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5723 posts, RR: 20 Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2784 times:
Quoting Beech19 (Reply 4): XM is a far better product with far more options
LY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 851 posts, RR: 16 Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2773 times:
Quoting ChewingPlastic (Reply 2): I thought they would go with the provider with more Canadian programming (Sirius).
Not much more. I recently switched from Sirius to XM and don't regret it. There is Canada360 and one other Canadian channel on XM - Sirius may have 1 more channel of Canadian content.
XM's satellites were launched by Boeing - maybe that has something to do with it
Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1658 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2768 times:
XM is not supplying AC with satellite feed. They are supplying AC with recorded program for each English-language and French-language speciality channel in AC's legacy and touch-screen IFE systems. Perhaps Sirrius doesn't want to invest in repackaging its programming?
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2769 times:
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 5): Real easy one here. The airlines don't want their pax or their pax kiddies listening to Howard Stern. He's interesting to some, fun to others yet very offensive to another group. That's the group the airlines are afraid off.
I don't think that's necessarily true. The airlines pick and choose which channels of XM to put on their flights, which they could just as easily do with Sirius.
XM must have offered better pricing, because with airlines these days, it all seems to be about cost!
(And I am an XM fan as well -- it's in my Audi and on my DirecTV.)
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2757 times:
Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 3): XM can also be desperate enough to get revenues because they lost the subscription growth numbers to Sirius.
Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 3): and their satellite is moving parallel, unlike figure 8 of Sirius.
I think that might be more the issue. It may also be true that XM has simply marketed itself better to the airlines and that XM recievers have more quickly been adapted to airline use.
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Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2752 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 10): I think that might be more the issue. It may also be true that XM has simply marketed itself better to the airlines and that XM recievers have more quickly been adapted to airline use.
That's a good point. XM has always led Sirius when it came to hardware innovation, and adapting to new uses.
SJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2745 times:
I thought that WSI Inflight had an exclusive deal with Sirius and you could not get Sirius unless you get the whole package (Satellite Weather etc). Also isn't UA XM radio really just a recording? It seems like it, at least in Y but that's the only place I know about Seems like on UA I hear the same tracks over and over, I always figured XM just gave it to UA for Free as kind of an advertisement.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2722 times:
You just may be 100 percent correct. Perhaps XM offers a better deal to the carriers.
I have XM in the Lucerne and had it in the Rendezvous. According to Jim Cramer, the mad man of stocks, XM and Sirius are going to merge in the future, anyway.
back to the thread...............
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Beech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2697 times:
JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2667 times:
They are both hurting finacially and are in merger talks. This should be interestin since most of the cars are coming from the factory with sirius but xm is larger.. Both companies stocks are down as well they may very well merge...
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2623 times:
Probably because Sirius hasn't decided to enter that niche of the market (yet).
I'm surprised that DL hasn't added Sirius as part of the IFE upgrades. The live television that Song used and is being rolled out to mainline service comes from Dish Network, and Dish Network offers Sirius channels to its' subscribers.
Quoting Beech19 (Reply 4): They also have the largest sports agreements with the most leagues and teams.
MLB and the NHL and some NCAA conferences. Meanwhile, Sirius has the NBA, the NFL, the NHL (last year of the contract), NASCAR, the EPL, UEFA Champions League, some NCAA games, the CFL, and Wimbledon. I do have to give XM credit in regards to their NHL coverage. Sirius' contract only mandates that Sirius air 3 games a week.
Quoting Travelin man (Reply 9):
I don't think that's necessarily true. The airlines pick and choose which channels of XM to put on their flights, which they could just as easily do with Sirius.
There were some XM channels I wanted to listen to (for comparative reasons as I'm a Sirius subscriber) when I flew on FL last March, but they were blocked out. Pretty much any channel that XM has labeled with a "XL" FL blocked out.
Beech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2601 times:
Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 15): should be interestin since most of the cars are coming from the factory with sirius but xm is larger..
Actaully... All GM products come with XM, not Sirius. Ford (the only other US based car manufacturer) uses Sirius.
Daimler/Chrysler is now a US built "import car."
Many companies are using Sirius... but they are all the imports.
Dw9115 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 449 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2542 times:
Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 3): Don't forget they ended up being desperate enough to go back to terrestrial radio
NO, NO they do the show for both terrestrial and satellite radio and XM listeners get the unedited version of both and XM is making a ton of money of O&A they are in like 40 cities now and more next week.
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 18): more likely Howard Stern being on Sirius. Airlines dont want the headache it might cause with protests.
What are you crazy have you seen what O&A have done the past five years? They have caused nothing but trouble and except stern going to Sirius no one has heard from him in six or eight years.
Lexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2362 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2485 times:
Quoting Beech19 (Reply 17): Many companies are using Sirius... but they are all the imports.
All new Nissans have XM Radio in them I believe. If you choose to have that of course.
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2436 times:
Thorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2419 times:
Quoting Beech19 (Reply 4): They also have the largest sports agreements with the most leagues and teams.
I doubt that. I bought a Sirius receiver because Sirius has the NFL. They also have the NBA. Another reason was that Sirius offered National Public Radio and XM didn't (I like "Car Talk...")
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2388 times:
Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 3): Don't forget they ended up being desperate enough to go back to terrestrial radio
Not right. Terrestrial radio stations that used to carry Stern (CBS Radio) were desperate enough -- after that Van Halen guy totally failed -- that they cut a big deal with XM to bring Opie and Anthony back to terrestrial radio in major markets. It's a win-win, as O&A have lured back a lot of Stern listeners.
JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2382 times:
Well now lets see something here ,, Are there any international xm,or sirus radios out there.. like in the uk can they buy a xm radio, or say japan xm radio, and is it all in english???? very interesting if so American news in foreign countries
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25 Logos: Thanks for the input. I was thinking along the lines that XM must be cheaper or it's a technology issue and that seems to mirror most of the opinions
26 BlueFlyer: XM got there first. Sirius would have to spend a sizable amount of money just to split what is, relatively speaking, a small market in two. Instead,
28 Logos: That makes sense to me. I wonder if it would make sense for Sirius could offer pre-recorded highlights of a number of selected channels to an airline
29 Jimyvr: XM only responsible the music contents. Don't forget XM is partially backed by Clear Channel so this could be another factor. (Of course because of t
30 ConjureMe: Seems like a good idea...Something like United with recorded shows from NBC. A good, cheap way for the airline to provide IFE and also great for the
31 Lnglive1011yyz: I think the people who have eloquently indicated that it's likely a matter that XM outbid and / or arrived before Sirius have hit the nail right on th
32 BlueFlyer: XM isn't backed by Clear Channel. XM and Clear Channel signed an agreement whereby Clear Channel produces some of XM's channels, and XM found, much t
33 Jimyvr: I said partially And how many new customers did it signed up since the move?
34 Srbmod: Sirius also has BBC World Service plus have BBC 1. In XM's early days, Clear Channel made an investment in the company but eventually divested themse
35 Cancidas: because XM lets you downling WX into onboard GPS products. at least it does on my A36.
36 Jimyvr: That's the main reason why I hooked with Sirius. BBC Radio 1 is just a total hot stuff in America, especially dance line up.
37 777DEN: UA currently uses a tape/CD version of XM for IFE , but they plan on adding XM receivers to the fleets, I think XM has also proposed providing a groun
38 Jimyvr: How? Especially XM's orbiter circles near the equator
39 Goaliemn: Nope. The satellites only cover North America. I'm pretty sure you can subscribe to an online feed if you are located elsewhere.
40 NW748i: Indeed... they said Sirius would be, at best, a blip on the radar. Guess they were wrong. I heard this while Christmas shopping at Radio Shack. The r
41 Tommy767: My vote goes to XM. It came installed in my '04 Malibu and the system (and that car) rocks.
42 Mustang304: I think it could also be related to the fact that XM has be involved in aviation. You can get updated weather from the XM satellite, and it works well
43 RIHNOSAUR: Cool, I just got a new Honda, and it came with XM, and I was not sure what was a better product (XM or Sirius)..... so your comments are reassuring..
44 NW748i: Yes, it does... 24/7. The same with BBCRadio1. Last a Iheard, Sirius was looking to bring some of the other BBC channels Stateside...
45 SJCRRPAX: Yes, this is what I think also. But Sirius is working with WSI Inflight, and were to roll out their new system last quarter, so maybe someone will st
46 Gigneil: Clear Channel no longer has any investment in XM. The Stiletto is Sirius' first portable player with satellite ever, vs 10 or so products from XM. Ra
47 FLY2LIM: Very interesting discussion about S vs. X. Now, back to topic, or at least aviation related, if you took one of your portable satellite radio receiver
48 Jimyvr: Sirius launched internet radio, 75 channels. The new portable receiver Stiletto, will be able to let listen to Sirius worldwide through Wi-Fi. Quote
49 Style: Actually, the Sirius in your satellite tv doesn't come with all the channels a regular subscription to Sirius does, including Howard Stern. As for XM
50 N1120A: Yes, it is a recording. They carry prerecorded content from XM's stations Cute, but the Chrysler division is still based in Detroit American Honda in
51 Logos: It seems Sirius could provide similar prerecorded content for some airline pretty easily if they were interested. Perhaps they simply have ceded the
52 JFK69: I have been listening online with XM for close to 2 years now. It is included with my monthly subscription. Maybe the airlines have just chosen the b
53 EXAAUADL: O&A as you call them dont even register, theyre nobodys who stole their entire show from the King of All Media..Even Mancow is better than O&A
54 Srbmod: Is XM offering a premium internet feed like Sirius? I thought about upgrading from the standard 32 KBS streaming to the premium feed, but decided tha
55 JFK69: No..they offer regular radio over the internet. Who the hell feels they have to pay the extra $2.99 for premium...ya listen and that's all. Yep that'
56 Jimyvr: Unfortunately starting 2007/08, Sirius lose the NHL contract.
57 N1120A: MLB has more games than NBA and NFL combined. That is why they have more sports.
58 Dw9115: You really need to lay of the crack and get in to some type of treatment.
59 NW748i: 'Lost' it or simply haven't yet renewed it? If it's lost, is it going to XM? Anybody got some good sites where I can find the [reliable] inside info
60 EXAAUADL: Didnt Sirius put in a bid for XM? Both are losing money hand over fist
61 BigOrange: All the women in the world want to listen to Oprah and not Martha Give me Juliet Huddy or Rachel Ray and I'll listen!
63 Jimyvr: Sirius announced positive cash flow for the first time in 06Q4.
64 Srbmod: " target=_blank>http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/s...59681 They announced it a few days after I got my Sirius receiver. The NHL was the deciding fac
65 Mli717fan: 3 years ago, I recieved a Sirius receiver and a one year subscription for Christmas. I was kind of disappointed, my best friend had XM and I was very
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Seems like on UA I hear the same tracks over and over, I always figured XM just gave it to UA for Free as kind of an advertisement.
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