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BOS International Service In The 1980's  
User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3175 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

Once upon a time, BOS was the second largest transatlantic US gateway. Deregulation did away with this.

The 1980's still saw a variety of international service. I'm trying to remember all the flights/ routes that existed then but not now:

Pan Am:
BOS-LHR

Braniff:
BOS-AMS/CPH/BRU/ (and others?)

Iberia:
BOS-MAL/MAD

TW:
BOS-LHR/CDG/FCO

NW:
BOS-LGW/FRA/SNN/GLA

SB:
BOS-BRU

TP:
BOS-LIS/ Azores

LY:
BOS-TLV

AC:
BOS-YUL/YYZ/Halifax/St. John's

US:
BOS-YYZ

DL:
BOS-YUL

[Edited 2007-01-03 22:56:59]


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User currently offlineBosWashSprStar From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
Deregulation did away with this.

One imagines longer-range aircraft didn't hurt, either.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20671 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
TW:
BOS-LHR/CDG/FCO

Sometime between TWA's Summer 1979 and Fall 1980 schedules, they dropped TW910, the puddle-jumper from Boston to Athens, stopping first in the Azores.

It flew on Tuesdays and Thursdays, with the Tuesday flight stopping in Terceira, and the Thursday flight stopping in Santa Maria. It then flew on to Lisbon, Madrid, Rome and Athens, same plane 707 service the entire way.

By the fall of 1980, they had added TW47, a daily L-1011 to JFK timed to meet up with the nightly bank of flights to Europe.

In October 1980, TWA's direct flights to Europe from BOS were:

TW754 BOS-LHR (with a change of gauge for the continuation to FRA)
TW810 BOS-CDG
TW846 BOS-FCO (with a change of gauge for the continuation to ATH)

TW754 was probably a 747 for some time, and 810 and 846 were most likely L-1011s. I recall flying 754 SFO-BOS-LHR in March 1982, and it was an L-1011 SFO-BOS with a change of gauge to a 747 BOS-LHR.



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User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

International schedules at BOS from 01Dec83 until 24Mar83 (info taken from ABC World Airways Guide, Dec83):

Antigua (ANU), Antigua & Barbuda
--3---- BOS 0800 ANU 1455 PA219 D10 1 stop (via JFK)

Aruba (AUA), Netherlands Antilles
------7 BOS 0830 AUA 1545 JW455 D10 1 stop (via JFK)
JW455 eff 18Dec

Barbados (BGI), Barbados
1---567 BOS 0800 BGI 1525 PA219 D10 1 stop (via JFK)
-2-4--- BOS 0800 BGI 1635 PA219 D10 2 stops (via JFK-UVF)
--3---- BOS 0800 BGI 1635 PA219 D10 2 stops (via JFK-ANU)

Bermuda (BDA), Bermuda
1234567 BOS 0844 BDA 1343 EA811 AB3 1 stop (via EWR)
EA811 until 14Dec
1234567 BOS 0855 BDA 1150 DL1161 L10 nonstop
1234567 BOS 0941 BDA 1242 AA615 72S nonstop
AA615 eff 02Dec until 04Jan
1234567 BOS 0941 BDA 1241 AA615 72S nonstop
AA615 eff 05Jan
1234567 BOS 0950 BDA 1251 AA615 72S nonstop
AA615 until 01Dec

Buenos Aires (BUE), Argentina
--3-5-7 BOS 1820 EZE 1205* PA201 72S 2 stops (via JFK-GIG)
PA201 equipment change 72S-JFK-L15

Dublin (DUB), Ireland
-----6- BOS 2210 DUB 1010* EI112 74M 1 stop (via SNN)

Frankfurt (FRA), Germany Fed Rep
-2--5-- BOS 1820 FRA 0720* LH423 D10 nonstop
---4--7 BOS 1820 FRA 0720* LH423 74M nonstop

Glasgow (GLA), United Kingdom
-----6- BOS 1945 PIK 0855* NW42 747 1 stop (via LGW)
---4--- BOS 1945 PIK 0800* NW34 747 1 stop (via SNN)
NW34 until 05Jan and eff 15Mar

Halifax (YHZ), Canada
1234567 BOS 1015 YHZ 1417 AC682 D9S 2 stops (via YQI-YSJ)
1234567 BOS 1655 YHZ 1904 AC690 D9S nonstop

Kingston (KIN), Jamaica
1234567 BOS 0715 KIN 1445 QH121 73S 3 stops (via PHL-MIA-MBJ)

London (LON), United Kingdom
12--56- BOS 1945 LGW 0655* NW42 747 nonstop
1234567 BOS 2020 LHR 0730* TW754 747 nonstop
1234567 BOS 2100 LHR 0810* BA274 747 nonstop

Madrid (MAD), Spain
1234567 BOS 1525 MAD 0825* TW904 747 1 stop (via JFK)

Mexico City (MEX), Mexico
1234567 BOS 0721 MEX 1336 AA93 72S 1 stop (via DFW)
AA93 eff 02Dec until 04Jan
1234567 BOS 1905 MEX 0111* AA57 72S 1 stop (via ORD)
AA57 until 04Jan
1234567 BOS 1905 MEX 0109* AA57 72S 1 stop (via ORD)
AA57 eff 05Jan

Montego Bay (MBJ), Jamaica
1234567 BOS 0715 MBJ 1350 QH121 73S 2 stops (via PHL-MIA)

Montevideo (MVD), Uruguay
----5-- BOS 1820 MVD 1345* PA201 72S 3 stops (via JFK-GIG-EZE)
PA201 equipment change 72S-JFK-L15

Montreal (YUL), Canada
1234567 BOS 0855 YUL 0955 DL1022 L10 nonstop
1234567 BOS 1225 YUL 1324 DL906 D8S nonstop
1234567 BOS 1632 YUL 1730 DL1038 L10 nonstop
1234567 BOS 1902 YUL 2000 DL102 72S nonstop
DL102 eff 15Dec
1234567 BOS 2138 YUL 2238 DL1056 L10 nonstop
DL1056 until 14Dec
1234567 BOS 2140 YUL 2240 DL1056 L10 nonstop
DL1056 eff 15Dec

Nassau (NAS), Bahamas
1234567 BOS 0840 NAS 1308 DL927 D8S 1 stop (via JFK)
DL927 eff 15Dec
1234567 BOS 0920 NAS 1337 DL567 72S 1 stop (via JFK)
DL567 until 14Dec

Paris (PAR), France
-23456- BOS 1900 CDG 0730* TW810 L10 nonstop

Port of Spain (POS), Trinidad & Tobago
1---5-7 BOS 0800 POS 1705 PA219 D10 2 stops (via JFK-BGI)
-2-4--- BOS 0800 POS 1810 PA219 D10 3 stops (via JFK-UVF-BGI)
--3---- BOS 0800 POS 1810 PA219 D10 3 stops (via JFK-ANU-BGI)
-----6- BOS 0800 POS 1810 PA219 D10 3 stops (via JFK-BGI-UVF)

Rio de Janeiro (RIO), Brazil
1234567 BOS 1820 GIG 0720* PA201 72S 1 stop (via JFK)
PA201 equipment change 72S-JFK-L15

St John (YSJ), Canada
1234567 BOS 1015 YSJ 1325 AC682 D9S 1 stop (via YQI)

St Lucia (SLU), St Lucia
-2-4--- BOS 0800 UVF 1525 PA219 D10 1 stop (via JFK)
-----6- BOS 0800 UVF 1655 PA219 D10 2 stops (via JFK-BGI)

Santo Domingo (SDQ), Dominican Rep
--3---- BOS 1100 SDQ 1545 CL263 D8S nonstop

Shannon (SNN), Ireland
---4--- BOS 1945 SNN 0615* NW34 747 nonstop
NW34 until 05Jan and eff 15Mar
-----6- BOS 2210 SNN 0845* EI112 74M nonstop

Tel Aviv (TLV), Israel
-23456- BOS 1900 TLV 1545* TW810 L10 1 stop (via CDG)
TW810 equipment change L10-CDG-747
TW810 flight number change TW810-CDG-TW800

Toronto (YTO), Canada
------7 BOS 0730 YYZ 0901 AL490 D9S nonstop
AL490 eff 18Dec
123456- BOS 0800 YYZ 0931 AL121 D9S nonstop
12345-- BOS 1150 YYZ 1327 AC801 D9S nonstop
1234567 BOS 1420 YYZ 1551 AL383 D9S nonstop
1234567 BOS 1635 YYZ 1812 AC805 D9S nonstop
12345-7 BOS 2000 YYZ 2131 AL359 D9S nonstop

Yarmouth (YQI), Canada
1234567 BOS 1015 YQI 1209 AC682 D9S nonstop

Zurich (ZRH), Switzerland
1-3-5-- BOS 2115 ZRH 1020* SR129 74D nonstop
-2-4--7 BOS 2115 ZRH 1020* SR129 747 nonstop
SR129 until 08Dec
-----6- BOS 2115 ZRH 1020* SR129 743 nonstop
SR129 until 31Dec
---4--7 BOS 2115 ZRH 1020* SR129 747 nonstop
SR129 eff 11Dec until 29Dec
-2-4-67 BOS 2115 ZRH 1020* SR129 743 nonstop

The following carriers had tags beyond BOS (change of gauge flights not listed):
BA to IAD days 1234, to PHL days 567
SR to ORD
EI to JFK
TW to LAX

Hope this helps. Let me know if you need more information.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20671 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 3):
Montreal (YUL), Canada

I remember all those DL flights to YUL. It's amazing that today the nonstop service BOS-YUL consists of 4 flights per day on AC RJs.



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User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
I remember all those DL flights to YUL.

Yes, I'd love to go back in time and take a L-1011 or DC-8 on this route...


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8410 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
Once upon a time, BOS was the second largest transatlantic US gateway. Deregulation did away with this.

I'd say technology did away with it not deregulation. I believe we have more transatlantic service today than we had in the 80's. However, back then BOS was pretty much as far as one could fly non-stop from Europe which is why so many carriers stopped here.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4120 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

I was always amazed at the types of aircraft Delta used to/from Montreal. Amazing. Does anyone know how full (generally speaking) those flights were?

Chris in NH


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20671 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 6):
I'd say technology did away with it not deregulation.

Deregulation had a lot to do with it. If you look at where the bulk of the gateways for transatlantic flights are now in the U.S., it's from the major hubs created as a result of deregulation.

Atlanta, Newark, Detroit, Washington-Dulles, Dallas, Houston, etc. were never major gateways for European traffic. They are now because that's where the respective carriers choose to collect their passengers to funnel them onwards. In the days prior to deregulation, a domestic airline would simply interline a passenger to Pan Am, TWA, or a foreign carrier.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 6):
I believe we have more transatlantic service today than we had in the 80's.

Very true, and much (but not all) of that growth has come from service out of the domestic hubs overflying the traditional gateways on the east coast.



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User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

What were two of those codes?

JW BOS-AUA (DC-10)
and QH BOS-MBJ (737)


User currently offlineMakeMinesLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 2739 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 6):
I'd say technology did away with it not deregulation. (edit)
However, back then BOS was pretty much as far as one could fly non-stop from Europe which is why so many carriers stopped here.

Not true at all - in the '70s even, there were plenty of West Coast-to-Europe flights which were quite easily handled by 747s and DC-10s.


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1374 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
TW754 was probably a 747 for some time, and 810 and 846 were most likely L-1011s. I recall flying 754 SFO-BOS-LHR in March 1982, and it was an L-1011 SFO-BOS with a change of gauge to a 747 BOS-LHR.

In November 1980, 754 was flown with an L-1011, and when I flew it two years later in December 1982 it was with a 747. I believe these two aircraft flip-flopped on this route for several years...


User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Quoting Mats (Reply 9):
What were two of those codes?

QH = Air Florida
JW = Arrow Air


User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5115 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):


Braniff:
BOS-AMS/CPH/BRU/ (and others?)

Braniff's BOS-Europe: AMS, BRU, CDG, FRA.



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