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Could B6 Buy NW?  
User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4387 times:

Just kind of thinking that this could be a great match. Very similar fleets (dump the DC9s and get more E190's), and rather complimentry routes, plus it could make an instant global LCC>

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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

Similar fleets?
320 and 190 versus, uh, DC-9, A32X with different engines, A330s, 757s, 747s, etc etc etc.

Complimentary routes? Don't really see how a NRT hub compliments JFK or LGB.

And WHERE do you get off with a username so similar to mine!?!?!? Thief!!!
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User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

Sounds awesome, but NW would cost way more than B6 could ever afford (NW is worth more than B6)... not to mention all the nasty unions at NW.

User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

Domestically they do have, B6 very strong on the East Coast, NW very stong on the Midwest. Both have large fleets of A320, dump the 9's for E190's. The name would stay as NW, but with Neeleman running the show and making NW a large global LCC.

User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 3):
Both have large fleets of A320, dump the 9's for E190's. The name would stay as NW, but with Neeleman running the show and making NW a large global LCC.

This has as much chance of happening as I have of playing in one of the NFL Wild Card games this weekend.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



Too many types flown to list
User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

If they dumped First class, I'd be making no more stops in MSP, MEM, or DTW... Continental would be my new best friend and I'd hand out a half-million FF miles as Christmas presents!

My 0.02,

S



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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

IMHO, this is so ridiculous it does not merit discussion, but I will play along with some key points on why this would never happen just because I'm bored:

1. Besides the A320, the fleet types are vastly different. I would GUESS that the A320 (and I don't mean airbus shorthaul fleet in general) is only about 10-15% of NWs fleet.

2. Why would B6 want hundreds of very old, and very fuel INefficient DC-9s. JetBlue prides themselves on operating modern, clean, fuel efficient aircraft with a great IFE product? That is pretty much the opposite of NW's DC-9s, and their shorthaul operation in general.

3. B6 does not have the funds to purchase NW

4. Why would B6 ever want to absorb NW's aging labor force, one that is heavily unionized and greatly resents management? Again this is a polar opposite of what JetBlue tries to do.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

NW and B6 have different engines.

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 6):
1. Besides the A320, the fleet types are vastly different. I would GUESS that the A320 (and I don't mean airbus shorthaul fleet in general) is only about 10-15% of NWs fleet.

They make up 23% of NW's fleet currently. (As of 6/30/06 numbers)

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 6):
2. Why would B6 want hundreds of very old, and very fuel INefficient DC-9s.

Those inefficient DC-9's make NW a boatload of money being paid off over weighs the fuel costs.

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 3):
Domestically they do have, B6 very strong on the East Coast, NW very stong on the Midwest.

B6 doesn't have a very strong East coast, NW has several several more cities on the East coast then jetblue does even system wide.

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 3):
dump the 9's for E190's.

Well unless they figure out how to get 105 E190's then I don't think thats going to happen.

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 2):
not to mention all the nasty unions at NW.



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User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

No offense but this would be ridculous to even answer. they might could afford 3 or 4 747,s and run lgb to nrt


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4127 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
B6 doesn't have a very strong East coast, NW has several several more cities on the East coast then jetblue does even system wide.

Yes, but how many flights a day does NW have from these East coast cities? Most stations probably 3-10 max. And even these flights are to places in the Midwest or MEM (which is really in the middle of the country, although technically not the "midwest" and certainly not the east coast), not along the east coast (ex: BOS-FLL). And I do not consider places like BUF, ROC, SYR or PIT to be "east coast", as they are far from any coast. Anyone who thinks that NW is "bigger" than B6 on the east coast has been smoking something before they posted.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11349 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Quoting Logos (Reply 4):
This has as much chance of happening as I have of playing in one of the NFL Wild Card games this weekend.



Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 6):
IMHO, this is so ridiculous it does not merit discussion,



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 8):
No offense but this would be ridculous to even answer. they might could afford 3 or 4 747,s and run lgb to nrt

Such negativity!

You do realize that it matters not how much you have in the bank to buy an airline, right? You do realize that any one of us if we had a great plan and could convince a financier to bankroll us could actually but NWA, right?

Worldcom bought MCI. (Worldcom was almost an unknown outside of the deep South.) HP bought US. US is trying to swallow DL. History is full of cases where the little guy bought the big guy. Write a proposal. don't pu-pu the idea.  Wink



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User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
You do realize that it matters not how much you have in the bank to buy an airline, right?

Yes, I realize this and I also realize that there is historical precident (see Texas Air Corp. & Continental, to name one). However, it is extraordinarily hard to feature jetBlue having any interest in doing such a thing. Could they line up the venture capital to buy NW? Sure. But why would they? Superficial fleet similarities aside, I can't think of 2 carriers with more divergent business models & philosophies.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

The employee cultures at B6 differ big time to NW. Plus it would be a fleet nightmare. Both airlines have major strenghts, but I would doubt B6 would be interested in NW.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 9):
Anyone who thinks that NW is "bigger" than B6 on the east coast has been smoking something before they posted.

How about DTW to: Bangor, Portland(Maine), Manchester, Boston, Providence, Hartford, White Plaines, JFK, LGA, EWR, PHL, ABE, Norfolk, Baltimore, Myrtle Beach, Charleston, Savannah, Jacksonville, Orlando, West Palm Beach, FLL, MIA, RSW, TPA, SRQ.

Those are the ones that are actually remotely close to the actual coast, but by definition the East Coast is broader then that.



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4897 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Could B6 Buy NW?

 laughing   laughing   laughing   laughing   laughing 
You're kidding me, right?

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Very similar fleets (dump the DC9s and get more E190's)

Really? A320's with IAE engines and EMB-190's vs. 747-200/400's, DC-10-30's, A330-200/300's, 757-200/300's, A320's with CFM engines, A319's, DC-9-30/40/50's, and not to mention Pinnacle and Mesaba.

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
it could make an instant global LCC

I know the I-<3-B6 crowd's gonna kill me for this, but jetBlue isn't much of an LCC from the prices I saw.

Fantasy? BIG TIME! Realistic? Far from it.



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User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Could B6 Buy NW?

You could convince me that the earth is flat before you could convince me that such an acquisition could happen...

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
plus it could make an instant global LCC

That's exactly what the world doesn't need... an international WN. LCCs are ballooning in Asia anyway. I say just hope for AA, which could financially swing such a deal.



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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 934 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

Ya know...you'd be better off just putting all of the airlines in a hat and pulling two out.

And the two would probably work better than B6+NW.

Take some obsure pairing...like...Southwest and Midwest. They have no common fleet type, but I think it would work!

Think of it as the answer to Midwest's problems and the way for Southwest to tap into the Midwest.


It's not going to happen, of course, but EVERY PAIRING is possible and would have its ups and downs. The point I'm trying to make is that we can speculate all that we want, but sometimes the unthinkable happens. (AA/TW comes to mind)

[Edited 2007-01-05 05:23:05]


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

Quoting Logos (Reply 11):
Superficial fleet similarities aside, I can't think of 2 carriers with more divergent business models & philosophies.

Delta and US Airways  duck .

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
And WHERE do you get off with a username so similar to mine!?!?!? Thief!!!

Really, when I initially saw the first reply, I thought we had one user discussing with himself, before I saw the slight difference in the userID.

As far as this "idea" goes, it's too early in the day and I have not yet consumed enought caffeine and/or booze to give this a serious thought, it's just too far out of this world.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Sorry, but why this B6 bashing in many many threads here? Don´t wanna start a new topic about it, I´m just curious..

Is B6 unpopular in US, or what? I thought Southwest was the most horrible domestic carrier in US, am I wrong?

Micke//  Confused



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11349 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 18):
Is B6 unpopular in US, or what?

No, but there are a lot of ultra-biased people that use this site. You won't get an accurate view of how the public views US domestic airlines here, I'd say.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 19):
No, but there are a lot of ultra-biased people that use this site. You won't get an accurate view of how the public views US domestic airlines here, I'd say.

I will second that. The general opinions on this board in no way reflect the opinions of the flying public.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 20):
The general opinions on this board in no way reflect the opinions of the flying public.

Most of the flying public probably couldn't tell these airlines apart to begin with  Silly .

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 18):
Sorry, but why this B6 bashing in many many threads here?

Where in this thread do you see B6 bashing? All I see in here is bashing of the OP's idea.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

@ DAL767400ER

Sorry

I mean B6 bashing in many topics at A.net.

Micke//  Embarrassment



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22):
@ DAL767400ER

Sorry

I mean B6 bashing in many topics at A.net.

Well, in that case, it's simply in the genes of A.netters to hate on other airlines  Silly .


User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22):
I mean B6 bashing in many topics at A.net.



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 23):
simply in the genes of A.netters to hate on other airlines

Yeah, that too lol. But really, it's because B6 has a lot of fans who talk (seemingly) non-stop about it being the greatest airline of all. Now, I may be biased because I work for B6, and I agree that we've got something special - but the 'greatest airline of all' would be a stretch...and merely an opinion of some. So it gets annoying to others who don't share that sentiment (from experience) when they hear "OMG JETBLUE JETBLUE JETBLUE!!!!" allll the time  wink .

Noooow, as for B6 vs NW? Yea-no.  biggrin 



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25 EXAAUADL : not unless B6 wants to go out of business....on paper B6 could probably afford to buy NW.
26 F9Animal : That was my exact reaction when I heard HP was interested in buying US.
27 MEACEDAR : Heck no! Why doesn't Southwest buy DL? or FL buy UA? They simply can't afford it.
28 FlyDreamliner : Every airline more or less is bashed on in this forum.... for some reason, people are really touchy about B6. No, I don't think they could afford NW,
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