AA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4031 times:
Just kind of thinking that this could be a great match. Very similar fleets (dump the DC9s and get more E190's), and rather complimentry routes, plus it could make an instant global LCC>
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5340 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4004 times:
Similar fleets?
320 and 190 versus, uh, DC-9, A32X with different engines, A330s, 757s, 747s, etc etc etc.
Complimentary routes? Don't really see how a NRT hub compliments JFK or LGB.
And WHERE do you get off with a username so similar to mine!?!?!? Thief!!!
InTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3999 times:
Sounds awesome, but NW would cost way more than B6 could ever afford (NW is worth more than B6)... not to mention all the nasty unions at NW.
AA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3970 times:
Domestically they do have, B6 very strong on the East Coast, NW very stong on the Midwest. Both have large fleets of A320, dump the 9's for E190's. The name would stay as NW, but with Neeleman running the show and making NW a large global LCC.
Logos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 768 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3963 times:
Quoting AA787823 (Reply 3): Both have large fleets of A320, dump the 9's for E190's. The name would stay as NW, but with Neeleman running the show and making NW a large global LCC.
This has as much chance of happening as I have of playing in one of the NFL Wild Card games this weekend.
Thegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3963 times:
If they dumped First class, I'd be making no more stops in MSP, MEM, or DTW... Continental would be my new best friend and I'd hand out a half-million FF miles as Christmas presents!
LGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3937 times:
IMHO, this is so ridiculous it does not merit discussion, but I will play along with some key points on why this would never happen just because I'm bored:
1. Besides the A320, the fleet types are vastly different. I would GUESS that the A320 (and I don't mean airbus shorthaul fleet in general) is only about 10-15% of NWs fleet.
2. Why would B6 want hundreds of very old, and very fuel INefficient DC-9s. JetBlue prides themselves on operating modern, clean, fuel efficient aircraft with a great IFE product? That is pretty much the opposite of NW's DC-9s, and their shorthaul operation in general.
3. B6 does not have the funds to purchase NW
4. Why would B6 ever want to absorb NW's aging labor force, one that is heavily unionized and greatly resents management? Again this is a polar opposite of what JetBlue tries to do.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3884 times:
NW and B6 have different engines.
Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 6): 1. Besides the A320, the fleet types are vastly different. I would GUESS that the A320 (and I don't mean airbus shorthaul fleet in general) is only about 10-15% of NWs fleet.
They make up 23% of NW's fleet currently. (As of 6/30/06 numbers)
Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 6): 2. Why would B6 want hundreds of very old, and very fuel INefficient DC-9s.
Those inefficient DC-9's make NW a boatload of money being paid off over weighs the fuel costs.
Quoting AA787823 (Reply 3): Domestically they do have, B6 very strong on the East Coast, NW very stong on the Midwest.
B6 doesn't have a very strong East coast, NW has several several more cities on the East coast then jetblue does even system wide.
JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3811 times:
No offense but this would be ridculous to even answer. they might could afford 3 or 4 747,s and run lgb to nrt
LGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3771 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7): B6 doesn't have a very strong East coast, NW has several several more cities on the East coast then jetblue does even system wide.
Yes, but how many flights a day does NW have from these East coast cities? Most stations probably 3-10 max. And even these flights are to places in the Midwest or MEM (which is really in the middle of the country, although technically not the "midwest" and certainly not the east coast), not along the east coast (ex: BOS-FLL). And I do not consider places like BUF, ROC, SYR or PIT to be "east coast", as they are far from any coast. Anyone who thinks that NW is "bigger" than B6 on the east coast has been smoking something before they posted.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10561 posts, RR: 53 Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3665 times:
Quoting Logos (Reply 4): This has as much chance of happening as I have of playing in one of the NFL Wild Card games this weekend.
Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 6): IMHO, this is so ridiculous it does not merit discussion,
Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 8): No offense but this would be ridculous to even answer. they might could afford 3 or 4 747,s and run lgb to nrt
Such negativity!
You do realize that it matters not how much you have in the bank to buy an airline, right? You do realize that any one of us if we had a great plan and could convince a financier to bankroll us could actually but NWA, right?
Worldcom bought MCI. (Worldcom was almost an unknown outside of the deep South.) HP bought US. US is trying to swallow DL. History is full of cases where the little guy bought the big guy. Write a proposal. don't pu-pu the idea.
Logos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 768 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3600 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 10): You do realize that it matters not how much you have in the bank to buy an airline, right?
Yes, I realize this and I also realize that there is historical precident (see Texas Air Corp. & Continental, to name one). However, it is extraordinarily hard to feature jetBlue having any interest in doing such a thing. Could they line up the venture capital to buy NW? Sure. But why would they? Superficial fleet similarities aside, I can't think of 2 carriers with more divergent business models & philosophies.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4732 posts, RR: 30 Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3583 times:
The employee cultures at B6 differ big time to NW. Plus it would be a fleet nightmare. Both airlines have major strenghts, but I would doubt B6 would be interested in NW.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3477 times:
Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 9): Anyone who thinks that NW is "bigger" than B6 on the east coast has been smoking something before they posted.
How about DTW to: Bangor, Portland(Maine), Manchester, Boston, Providence, Hartford, White Plaines, JFK, LGA, EWR, PHL, ABE, Norfolk, Baltimore, Myrtle Beach, Charleston, Savannah, Jacksonville, Orlando, West Palm Beach, FLL, MIA, RSW, TPA, SRQ.
Those are the ones that are actually remotely close to the actual coast, but by definition the East Coast is broader then that.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
NWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4857 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3438 times:
Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter): Very similar fleets (dump the DC9s and get more E190's)
Really? A320's with IAE engines and EMB-190's vs. 747-200/400's, DC-10-30's, A330-200/300's, 757-200/300's, A320's with CFM engines, A319's, DC-9-30/40/50's, and not to mention Pinnacle and Mesaba.
NW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 361 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3410 times:
That's exactly what the world doesn't need... an international WN. LCCs are ballooning in Asia anyway. I say just hope for AA, which could financially swing such a deal.
Hail! to the victors valiant, Hail! to the conqu'ring heroes, Hail! Hail! to Michigan the leaders and best! Go Blue!
N908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 848 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3396 times:
Ya know...you'd be better off just putting all of the airlines in a hat and pulling two out.
And the two would probably work better than B6+NW.
Take some obsure pairing...like...Southwest and Midwest. They have no common fleet type, but I think it would work!
Think of it as the answer to Midwest's problems and the way for Southwest to tap into the Midwest.
It's not going to happen, of course, but EVERY PAIRING is possible and would have its ups and downs. The point I'm trying to make is that we can speculate all that we want, but sometimes the unthinkable happens. (AA/TW comes to mind)
[Edited 2007-01-05 05:23:05]
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DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3267 times:
Quoting Logos (Reply 11): Superficial fleet similarities aside, I can't think of 2 carriers with more divergent business models & philosophies.
Delta and US Airways .
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1): And WHERE do you get off with a username so similar to mine!?!?!? Thief!!!
Really, when I initially saw the first reply, I thought we had one user discussing with himself, before I saw the slight difference in the userID.
As far as this "idea" goes, it's too early in the day and I have not yet consumed enought caffeine and/or booze to give this a serious thought, it's just too far out of this world.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10561 posts, RR: 53 Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3190 times:
No, but there are a lot of ultra-biased people that use this site. You won't get an accurate view of how the public views US domestic airlines here, I'd say.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5975 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3166 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 19): No, but there are a lot of ultra-biased people that use this site. You won't get an accurate view of how the public views US domestic airlines here, I'd say.
I will second that. The general opinions on this board in no way reflect the opinions of the flying public.
NASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1254 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3013 times:
Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22): I mean B6 bashing in many topics at A.net.
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 23): simply in the genes of A.netters to hate on other airlines
Yeah, that too lol. But really, it's because B6 has a lot of fans who talk (seemingly) non-stop about it being the greatest airline of all. Now, I may be biased because I work for B6, and I agree that we've got something special - but the 'greatest airline of all' would be a stretch...and merely an opinion of some. So it gets annoying to others who don't share that sentiment (from experience) when they hear "OMG JETBLUE JETBLUE JETBLUE!!!!" allll the time .
Noooow, as for B6 vs NW? Yea-no.
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25 EXAAUADL: not unless B6 wants to go out of business....on paper B6 could probably afford to buy NW.
26 F9Animal: That was my exact reaction when I heard HP was interested in buying US.
27 MEACEDAR: Heck no! Why doesn't Southwest buy DL? or FL buy UA? They simply can't afford it.
28 FlyDreamliner: Every airline more or less is bashed on in this forum.... for some reason, people are really touchy about B6. No, I don't think they could afford NW,
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