Corey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2522 posts, RR: 5 Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7542 times:
Today we had the lovely visit of one of the first customer 7X's grace TEB for a little media work before heading to Little Rock... Here's a couple pics of the "green" plane, which is a simply amazing aircraft... Look out Gulfstream
JayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 17 Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7515 times:
A green plane sure looks ugly. So how is this plane going to compete or beat the G-5 or whatever the best Gulfstream has to offer?
Corey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2522 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7500 times:
Quoting JayDavis (Reply 1): So how is this plane going to compete or beat the G-5 or whatever the best Gulfstream has to offer?
- The GV can go 200NM further, but costs $10 Million more...
- 3 Engines Vs 2
- Wider cabin than the G-V
- Fly By Wire
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9292 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7462 times:
Quoting JayDavis (Reply 1): A green plane sure looks ugly. So how is this plane going to compete or beat the G-5 or whatever the best Gulfstream has to offer?
Flysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7248 times:
That has got to be one of the ugliest planes I have ever seen!
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6225 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7239 times:
How does Dassault justify marketing a trijet, when even larger aircraft are moving to two engines? What about maintenance costs?
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
Airfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7205 times:
Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 4): That has got to be one of the ugliest planes I have ever seen
Quoting JayDavis (Reply 1): A green plane sure looks ugly. So how is this plane going to compete or beat the G-5 or whatever the best Gulfstream has to offer?
I really don't think customers care what color the plane is underneath whatever paint option the customers order.
JayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7172 times:
Oh I know the plane will eventually be painted. It just looks so ugly as a green plane. Like the time when Airbus had green skins on their birds as well.
I think that since some of these business jets are going on such long trips that the only way Falcon can show a benefit of the third engine is that if you lose one, you still have two running. I know the Gulfstreams can still fly on one engine and I "assume" they are ETOP's certified, but I know I'd feel safer running on two working engines in a Falcon versus one working engine on a Gulfstream.
I've been on a few Falcons as a friend of mine works as an A&P mechanic for some VERY wealthy people in Fort Worth. You get on board the planes and they just reek of leather and walnut.
Beech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7097 times:
This is one gorgeous aircraft... even green!
This might rival the Citation X for the most beautiful Biz...
The G550 just got bumped to 3rd...
Corey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2522 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6979 times:
Quoting Beech19 (Reply 8):
What are other favorite Biz-jets?
Challenger 300
Global Express
Quoting N328KF (Reply 5): How does Dassault justify marketing a trijet, when even larger aircraft are moving to two engines?
Rdwelch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6932 times:
I can see past the "bondo" and envision quite the hotrod my friends. Put that baby in a sweet deep blue and white color scheme and we are talking sweet.
Corey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2522 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6932 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):
What, a twinjet is safe enough for 450 people but not safe enough for Mr. Power Exec?
No, but it's all about perception and marketing... When you are marketing a plane to companies that will be carrying VIP's, Celebrities, and the Upper Management/CEO types you are certainly going to make a point that your plane has that extra third engine... When it comes to engine-outs on take off or landing you're certainly going to take notice of their trademark corporate jet design
Not to mention that tri-jet biz jets are Dassault's "bread and butter" and has been for many years... Why mess with something that isn't broken?
Corey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2522 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6916 times:
Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 11): I can see past the "bondo" and envision quite the hotrod my friends. Put that baby in a sweet deep blue and white color scheme and we are talking sweet.
JayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6867 times:
Beautiful plane, but I'm not too crazy about all the colored wavy lines on it.........
That is similar to the Nike Gulfstream I photographed a few years ago at LGB. The tail number is N 1 K E.
CEO@AFG From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 238 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6805 times:
Is it just me or have Dassault changed the tail a lot on the first production model, compared to the test aircraft?
Not just the obvious bulge on top of the tail, which must hold some form of satelite equipment, but the rear of the tailfin looks very different on those two pictures.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue." Steven McCroskey, Airplane!
Boeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6643 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 5): How does Dassault justify marketing a trijet, when even larger aircraft are moving to two engines? What about maintenance costs?
Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 12): No, but it's all about perception and marketing... When you are marketing a plane to companies that will be carrying VIP's, Celebrities, and the Upper Management/CEO types you are certainly going to make a point that your plane has that extra third engine... When it comes to engine-outs on take off or landing you're certainly going to take notice of their trademark corporate jet design
Not to mention that tri-jet biz jets are Dassault's "bread and butter" and has been for many years... Why mess with something that isn't broken?
I also read somewhere that the 7X's three are more efficient than some of the others two.
KGAI From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 118 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6507 times:
Business jets are not all about cruise efficiency. 3 engines afford better short field performance than 2, which IS a big consideration for biz jets.
Bond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6488 times:
Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 12): No, but it's all about perception and marketing... When you are marketing a plane to companies that will be carrying VIP's, Celebrities, and the Upper Management/CEO types you are certainly going to make a point that your plane has that extra third engine... When it comes to engine-outs on take off or landing you're certainly going to take notice of their trademark corporate jet design
I can assure you that not many operators are buying these because of safety!
Two turbines have been proven in all types of aircraft ... biz, airliners etc.
In fact, if you look at the Dassault marketing literature, and I may have missed it, but they don't mention much (if anything) about safety being an advantage with the 3 engines. Not mentioned at all in the high-level bullet point 'advantages' (on the Dassault website anyway).
I recently worked for a company that had Falcon 50's and Falcon 900's, and safety was never one of the main criteria on choosing the type since almost all corporate jets have an excellent record ... regardless of number of engines.
Jimbo
I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
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