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Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?  
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Posted (7 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 8943 times:

With just a few more days to go before Airbus reveals it's order total for 2006, I think that we can conclude that 2006 was in fact an extraordinary year for the A330/A340 family, in particular for the A332.

Below is the break down of frames and customers.


AIRBUS A330-200


PEGASUS X 6
AERCAP X 20
AFRIQIYAH X 3
CIT LEASING X 10
ILFC X 3 (conversion from 2x A346)
AIR MAURITIUS X 1
VIP X 1
AER LINGUS X 1
QANTAS X 4
TAM X 6


TOTAL: 55 FRAMES


AIRBUS A330-300



LUFTHANSA X 5
SINGAPORE AIRLINES X 19 (LEASED)
AIR CARAIBES X 1
AER LINGUS X 1


TOTAL: 26 FRAMES

AIRBUS A340-300



FINNAIR X 3

TOTAL: 3

AIRBUS A340-500




KINGFISHER X 5

TOTAL: 5 FRAMES

AIRBUS A340-600




LUFTHANSA X 7

TOTAL: 7 FRAMES

GRAND TOTAL: 96 FRAMES.


PENDING ORDERS + RUMOURED.

MEA X 4 (A332)
AIRASIA X 20 (A333) ?
AEROFLOT X 10 (A332)
TRANSAERO x 8 (A332)
GROUP MARSANS x 12 (A332)
Thai x 8 (A333)

TOTAL: 62 FRAMES

Would anyone happen to know what was the largest number of A330/A340 ordered in a single year?

Regards,
Wings


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 8837 times:

Hi Wings,

Great work! Hopefully Airbus releases their orders for december soon so your list can be completed. No doubt the number will exceed 100.

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
QANTAS X 4

Qantas ordered 2 in the beginning of the year and 4 more at the time they firmed up their commitment for 8 A380s.



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 8799 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 1):
Hi Wings,

Great work! Hopefully Airbus releases their orders for December soon so your list can be completed. No doubt the number will exceed 100.

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
QANTAS X 4

Qantas ordered 2 in the beginning of the year and 4 more at the time they firmed up their commitment for 8 A380s.

Hi Manni, Thank you for the kind reply.  Smile

Well It seems that you are correct. Qantas did in fact order 4 additional A332's which takes Qantas total to 6 x A332.

This also brings the grand total of A330/A340 ordered in 2006 to 98 frames. Indeed an extraordinary achievement.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 8760 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
This also brings the grand total of A330/A340 ordered in 2006 to 98 frames. Indeed an extraordinary achievement.

Absolutely!

IMO, there is a problem why the A350 didnt find the same sucess in 06? I hope 2007 we will see the A350 shine!

Cheers,



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 8703 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 3):
Absolutely!

IMO, there is a problem why the A350 didnt find the same sucess in 06? I hope 2007 we will see the A350 shine!

Cheers,

Hi BoeingBus,

Well I would expect to see the A330 continue to do well in 2007, if not even better. Airbus is still to announce the launch of the A332F which should help in terms of sales in 2007. It is also likely that Airbus will offer airlines interested in the A350X, the A330 as a stop gap measure.

With the recent surge in both A330/A340 orders one should also expect an increase in production for this model. Especially as it will be very hard for an airline to get it's hands on any new A330/A340 before 2010.

In regards to the A350X, I have no doubt that it will shine in 2007. Unfortunately one has to wait and see.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12408 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 8660 times:
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Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Would anyone happen to know what was the largest number of A330/A340 ordered in a single year?

2006 will be a long way short of the A330/340's best years!

In 1989 Airbus sold 107 A330s & 81 A340s!  Wow!
In 2000 Airbus sold 110 A330s & 20 A340s.

Not forgetting that Airbus's best widebody year so far was, to many people's surprise, 2005, when they sold a total of 193.



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User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 8627 times:

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Would anyone happen to know what was the largest number of A330/A340 ordered in a single year?

Go to the link below, and on the left, under "Key Documents" click on O&D 1974-2005. This will open an Excel document that will I think provide you the answer to your question.

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/

Cheers.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 8629 times:

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Would anyone happen to know what was the largest number of A330/A340 ordered in a single year?

1989: 188 (A330 = 107; A340 = 81)

2000: 130 (A330 = 110; A340 = 20)


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 8559 times:

Despite 2006 not being the best year for the A330/A340 one has to give Airbus a pat in the back for a job well done.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
2006 will be a long way short of the A330/340's best years!

In 1989 Airbus sold 107 A330s & 81 A340s! Wow!
In 2000 Airbus sold 110 A330s & 20 A340s.

Not forgetting that Airbus's best widebody year so far was, to many people's surprise, 2005, when they sold a total of 193.

Thank you for the info. Very helpful.

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 6):
Go to the link below, and on the left, under "Key Documents" click on O&D 1974-2005. This will open an Excel document that will I think provide you the answer to your question.

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/

Cheers.

Thank you for the link. I didn't even know that it existed.  Smile

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 7):
Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Would anyone happen to know what was the largest number of A330/A340 ordered in a single year?

1989: 188 (A330 = 107; A340 = 81)

2000: 130 (A330 = 110; A340 = 20)

Thank you Leelaw.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 8475 times:

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 6):
Go to the link below, and on the left, under "Key Documents" click on O&D 1974-2005. This will open an Excel document that will I think provide you the answer to your question.

Thanks also, here is one person who needs lessons in reading websites from you. I had seen that a few times and thought O&D cannot be interesting - WRONG! What a fascinating set of tables. Airbus so small in deliveries until quite recently and re the A330, the early 90s were not exactly happy hour after the first flush of orders. Puts the A380 slow down in a bit of context. History usually turns out to be amazing.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 8464 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
Thank you for the link. I didn't even know that it existed.

Hopefully Airbus will soon follow Boeing's example and make both current and historical "sales" (Orders/Deliveries by year, model, customer, etc) information easily searchable and compilable at the direction of the online user.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30654 posts, RR: 84
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 8388 times:
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Both Boeing's and Airbus' perceived "dead ducks" had a good 2006. The 747 had her best year since 2000 (even if the majority were freighters) and even the "old dog" 767 scored another year's plus worth of production. The only Boeing model that had a bad year was the 777-200ER, with a single sale.

And to think next year could be even better for the A330 (when you add freighters), 777 and 787...  Wow!


User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 8361 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
Thank you for the link. I didn't even know that it existed.



Quoting Baroque (Reply 9):
Thanks also, here is one person who needs lessons in reading websites from you.

You are welcome!  Smile


User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 8342 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
This also brings the grand total of A330/A340 ordered in 2006 to 98 frames. Indeed an extraordinary achievement.

What's extraordinary about it?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30654 posts, RR: 84
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 8245 times:
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Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 13):
What's extraordinary about it?

With many Boeing aficionados loudly proclaiming both families are doomed in the face of the 777 and 787, I imagine some found it extraordinary Airbus found buyers for almost 100 of them.  Smile

Just as with many Airbus aficionados loudly proclaiming the 747 and 777 are doomed in the face of the A380 and A350X, I imagine some also found it extraordinary Boeing found buyers for 148 of them.  Smile


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 8228 times:

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 13):

What's extraordinary about it?

Well I'm sure you won't find it extraordinary, but don't forget that the A330 is battling head on with the B767/B787/B772 and A350X.

How many orders did the B777-200ER gather this year BoomBoom? Not many. Why do you think that is? Maybe airlines have realised that operating the A333 vs the B772ER may have an advantage within some routes.

I will once again reaffirm my position and say without a doubt that this is truly an amazing year for the A330/A340 and in particular for the A332.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
AIRBUS A340-300 ... FINNAIR X 3



Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
The only Boeing model that had a bad year was the 777-200ER, with a single sale.

WOW, the good old A340-300 outsold the 777-200ER three to one. Nobody has predicted that  duck 

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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 8141 times:

Quoting A350 (Reply 16):
WOW, the good old A340-300 outsold the 777-200ER three to one. Nobody has predicted that

Yes, but the A340-300 has no successor aircraft available from that manufacturer until 2013 or 2014 or whatever it is, the 777-200ER has a successor aircraft (the 777-200LR) available on the same schedule; eg. you could order an ER or LR and receive the same delivery slot. Many of the customers that might have bought the -200ER have either gone for the -200LR, or perhaps the 787-9 (or are even waiting for the 787-10.)



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30654 posts, RR: 84
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 8121 times:
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Also, many airlines are "scaling up" to the 773ER and A346 rather then take additional 772ERs and A343s.

User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 8116 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 15):
I will once again reaffirm my position and say without a doubt that this is truly an amazing year for the A330/A340 and in particular for the A332.

It could be. However, I am a realist by nature, so despite my running "Pending" column, I prefer to count what's in my hand, not what's in the bush. . .

With that in mind, this is the year the A330/340 line has had from January thru November, the only firm data publically available:

A330-200
Aer Lingus - 1
Afriqiyah Airlines - 3
Airbus Corporate Jets - 1
Air Mauritius - 1
CIT Group - 10
I.L.F.C. - 3
Qantas - 2
TAM - 6

Total - 27

A330-300
Aer Lingus - 1
Air Caraibes - 1
Lufthansa - 5

Total - 7

A340-300
Finnair - 3

Total - 3

A340-500
Kingfisher Airlines - 5

Total - 5

Gross for family - 42
Cancellations - 4 (TAP - 2 A332, ILFC - 2 A346)
Net for family - 38


Now, we can assume from the wording of recent press releases and related information that the following have also been firmed up in December:

AerCap - 20 A330-200
Lufthansa - 7 A340-600
Pegasus Aviation - 6 A330-200
Qantas - 4 A330-200
Singapore - 19 A330-300

But we will have to see on January 17 if this is indeed the case. If it is, I find it extraordinary that Airbus sold nearly twice as many of these aircraft in December than they did in all the rest of the year combined.

Regards,

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User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 8115 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 15):
How many orders did the B777-200ER gather this year BoomBoom? Not many.

I will once again reaffirm my position and say without a doubt that this is truly an amazing year for the A330/A340 and in particular for the A332.

Once again you have to combine the A330 and A340 to achieve respectable numbers.

Then you have to parse out the 777-200ER from the 777 family to make it look bad.

And you won't dare combine 777 and 787 sales so I will do it for you: 233.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30654 posts, RR: 84
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 8081 times:
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Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 19):
But we will have to see on January 17 if this is indeed the case. If it is, I find it extraordinary that Airbus sold nearly twice as many of these aircraft in December than they did in all the rest of the year combined.

December is when the pressure to seal the deals is most as the companies want to get them "in the books". For example, Boeing confirmed 212 orders in December of 2006 and 201 in December of 2005. However, the majority of Boeing's widebody orders in all four families (747 / 767 / 777 / 787) were signed prior to December.

Also, I believe many of these orders (like SQ's and LH's) were not announced until December.  Wink


User currently offlineM27 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 7995 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 15):
I will once again reaffirm my position and say without a doubt that this is truly an amazing year for the A330/A340 and in particular for the A332.

It got a lot of help from the A380!


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30654 posts, RR: 84
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 7956 times:
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Quoting M27 (Reply 22):
(The A332) got a lot of help from the A380!

Actually, the A333 benefited more from the A388's issues, as SQ's and LH's A333s total 24 while QF's A332s total only 4.  Wink

That being said, while no doubt the A388's compensation payments helped make the A333's purchase price more attractive, the A333's list price is lower then the 772ER's to begin with and if you don't need the extra 2500nm or so the 772ER offers over the A333, it makes sense that airlines like QF and LH that already operate the A330 family to add-on and for an operator like SQ to choose the A333 rather then add-on additional 772ERs.

Also, one must not forget that unless those three airlines needed those planes they would not have bought them, even if Airbus was offering them a few tens of millions extra in discounts/offsets (maintenance, training, etc.) on each.

The whole thing just truly strikes me as "making lemons out of lemonade".

Now if only Boeing could have sold 767s or 777s to 737 operators back in the late 1990's when their 737 production line was SNAFUD up the bum.  duck 


User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 7929 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
Just as with many Airbus aficionados loudly proclaiming the 747 and 777 are doomed in the face of the A380 and A350X, I imagine some also found it extraordinary Boeing found buyers for 148 of them.

Last time I checked, the 787 was going against the A350X, so you might want to add it to your total. I'll do it for you 233, 305 if you include the 747. Now that is truly unbelievable.

Quoting A350 (Reply 16):
WOW, the good old A340-300 outsold the 777-200ER three to one. Nobody has predicted that

Wow that gold old 777 family outsold the A340 family 5 to 1  box 

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
Not forgetting that Airbus's best widebody year so far was, to many people's surprise, 2005, when they sold a total of 193.

That total includes the "old" A350, which never existed, and will not exist.

Quoting M27 (Reply 22):
I will once again reaffirm my position and say without a doubt that this is truly an amazing year for the A330/A340 and in particular for the A332.

It got a lot of help from the A380!

How very true!



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25 M27 : I thought we were speeking of family. You know A332-A346. Count em all as the same thing. Would they have bought them in the first place if not for t
26 MERLIN : Hi all, You can add Jet airways 8 332 in thr. rgds, Merlin
27 Manni : Jet Airways ordered the A330 in 2005 IIRC. They do have some options. Did they convert any?
28 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Ummmmm. . . no, you can't. As Manni quite correctly pointed out, Jet signed their contract for 10 A330-200's in 2005, not 2006. And no, so far they h
29 MERLIN : Sry about tht. dun knw bout conversions but yeah they are goin in for some 787's.. rgds, Merlin
30 WINGS : Hi Hamlet, I agree that it is still too premature to gather any concrete conclusions, But I believe it's rather safe to say that SQ,LH,QF,PEGASUS, an
31 Blsbls99 : Didn't Air Mauritius switch some A340 orders to A330 orders?
32 WINGS : That's correct Blsbls, Air Mauritius did in fact switch one A343 into an A332, and they also converted one of their options into 1 A332. Regards, Win
33 Blsbls99 : Is that reflected in any of the totals above? Shouldn't Air Mauritius have +2 A332s in the total, and -1 A343s in the total?
34 SparkingWave : It's good that Airbus sold as many A330s and A340s as it could in 2006. But when the B787 comes out, these airplanes will begin to look like yesterday
35 Columba : The 777-200LR is not the successor of the 777-200ER. They are aimed at a different market. The 777-200ER competes with the A340-300/A330-300 while th
36 Baroque : Any estimates of how many 330s there will be (might be) before the line closes, allowing for the Fs? It looks like being some hundreds in which case s
37 PM : Well, they've already passed the 600 mark so it seems likely that 700 is in sight with A330Fs and A330 Tankers still to come. 800? Who knows but I wo
38 Baroque : Between tankers and Fs and a few more compensatory orders, if they keep building the 330 about the 2003 rate of 31 for ten more years that would put
39 Post contains images Magyarorszag : Indeed. Largely helped by large orders by FX (launch customer with 36) and 5X (66 orders + 9 options). [Edited 2007-01-06 15:11:26]
40 Manni : If we include the A330s that are ordered in december and made public, the total could be about 643 orders. Wings posted commitments and rumours for a
41 Stitch : Actually it is. Remember that the 772LR offers more then just sheer range. It can carry a 772ER's MZFW payload much farther then a 772ER can. So for
42 Post contains images BoomBoom : If one looks at the sales of the 787 then one gets a total of 157. Nothing extraordinary here, just business as usual. I'm glad you admit you are pla
43 Thebry : Sure, but how many of EACH type (772ER A343) are in service?
44 Post contains images WINGS : Good try BoomBoom, but not good enough. Why compare an upcoming model to those already in existence? Yes we are playing your games. But it seems that
45 Post contains images WINGS : New A330/A340 Totals For 2006: Group Marsans confirms firm order for 12 A332's + 10 options. The list below shows 2 frames (A332) for Qantas that was
46 AirbusA6 : What this shows, is that aircraft don't become immediately obsolescent, just because a rival has launched some thing better. Fleet commonality, availa
47 BoeingBus : Doesn't matter how you spin this... Airbus A330 is selling very well BUT this is not going to last to much longer. The A350 needs to be Airbus answer
48 AirFrnt : I must be looking at dramatically different data then you have been. It's been a disasterous year for the 340, much better for the 330, but still not
49 EI321 : Theres a second version of the XWB?
50 EI321 : Can you list them. It seems that another 'redesign' gets added to the figure few months. Originally there was no A350, but there was an A330 with new
51 Stitch : In theory, if you count the original Al-Li XWB as Mk. I and the CFRP version as Mk. II.
52 Manni : Airbus revealed today that they've booked 119 A330/340 orders. 9 more need to be identified if we identified the others correctly. Perhaps 8 for Tran
53 Scbriml : From Airbus's December spreadsheet: 5 are listed as "Undisclosed". 4 are listed for MEA which, personally, I was unaware of.
54 Danny : The Al-Li was a different design and was not called XWB. Let's not make things up here.
55 Manni : Thanks. The list is complete now. With 104 A330s, 2006 was the 3 best year ever for the A330. But it looks like 2007 will beat 2006, judging by the f
56 Scbriml : The same customer also ordered 3 x A319 and 7 x A320 if that helps any.
57 Manni : It appears to be an existing Airbus customer that apparently not owns A330/340 aircraft. So TAP is not longer a possibility. Airbus recieved orders f
58 RichardPrice : The initial XWB version launched at Farnborough 2006 was Al-Li, the version at industrial launch was CFRP.
59 Glareskin : Could it be possible that 2007 will be even better for the A330 and A340? I think there are a few indicators for this. Short term availability from bo
60 Stitch : Thank you, RP. The A330 line looks to be starting off strong with the launch of the A332F and close to 70 orders and LoIs. As for the A340, no doubt
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