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All DL Widebodies To Go International  
User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5222 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15055 times:

Completing the Continental-ization of Delta's scheduling practices, "Delta is shifting all its wide-body aircraft ... into international service, where competition is less ferocious and profits are higher," said AW&ST in their Jan 1, 2007 issue.

At last they have figured out that ATL-JAX is not the best use for a 767.


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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15017 times:

Good news to hear. You would have thought they would have done this earlier. Better late than never. More frequencies to more cities. More places to go.


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User currently offlineRolo987 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15019 times:

What about their non ER 763s? Where are they going to fly them internationally?

User currently offlineROCandTPA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14977 times:

A sort of unrelated question. Is the DL spring schedule finalized?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21420 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14888 times:

I can't see this story as accurate, frankly...


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3995 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14783 times:

Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 2):
What about their non ER 763s? Where are they going to fly them internationally?

What I'm hearing is these will be shifted to take the place of the 764ERs on SLC/LAX service to Hawaii.



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14739 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Thread starter):
At last they have figured out that ATL-JAX is not the best use for a 767.

Have you ever taken any of those flights? They're absolutely jam packed much of the time. Heck DL might want to consider replacing the 767's with an A380 (just joking) on this route.

When I used to live in ATL and commute to Jax several times each month, my company would buy me a fully refundable ticket on the route. Delta used to give tickets not Delta dollars for overbookings. I'd always book the 7:30 AM Monday ATL to Jax and the 5:00 PM Friday returns and get 2 free tickets each week just to voluntarily take the 9:00 AM or the 7:00 PM flights. Absolutely wonderful. Over three years I had something like 34 free tickets.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14709 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Thread starter):
ATL-JAX is not the best use for a 767.

Actually it does quite well....I have trouble nonrevving out of here, they're full alot of the time. There's simply not enough narrowbodies in the fleet to cover the seats required from this city.

MCO & LAX require widebodies too, from the sheer numbers they move.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29700 posts, RR: 84
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14687 times:
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Quoting MasseyBrown (Thread starter):
At last they have figured out that ATL-JAX is not the best use for a 767.

The widebodies may still do domestic turns, however, in-between their international services.

UA, for example, shuttles their widebodies around their hubs and gateway (SEA) during "down-time" between international segments to improve utilization.


User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 751 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14658 times:

I can't see them removing the widebodies from ATL-LAX/LAS/MCO & JAX. Also, they now are running a T7 from ATL-JFK, but of course this is a leg of JFK-BOM.

Especially, MCO & LAX will stay widebody, cannot see it any other way.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14639 times:

Not gonna happen, DL will continue to need widebodies for Hawaiian service, primarily for ATL/CVG-HNL. Sure, LAX-HNL could be done with 757s, but 3-4x daily 757 service doesn't sound like an ideal solution, especially as far as cargo goes.

Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 2):
What about their non ER 763s? Where are they going to fly them internationally?

Mostly Caribbean and LatAm. The 763 has been a regular guest at MBJ for quite some time now, and also has made appearances at SJO, GUA, and nowadays PTY. That said, there aren't enough markets in that region with the demand for a 763, let alone 24 763s for the whole region.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4733 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14525 times:

The Non-ER 763s will continue to fly domestic.

Thanks.



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User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14411 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 7):
MCO & LAX require widebodies too, from the sheer numbers they move.

Oh for sure! I can never see DL's 767s leaving MCO nor LAX. Another question is where is DL going to fly the A/C....maybe starting a MCO-CDG or add more flights on the routes they have now.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14289 times:

Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 2):
What about their non ER 763s? Where are they going to fly them internationally?

They can make shorter transatlantic flights like JFK-AMS, and the like. Likewise they can do west coast to Hawaii flights.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 2):
What about their non ER 763s? Where are they going to fly them internationally?

What I'm hearing is these will be shifted to take the place of the 764ERs on SLC/LAX service to Hawaii.

Yep, there ya go. The 764s are becoming a large part of the international operation, and shifting the 763s in to take their place on routes their range isn't needed is a great opportunity.

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 7):
Quoting MasseyBrown (Thread starter):
ATL-JAX is not the best use for a 767.

Actually it does quite well....I have trouble nonrevving out of here, they're full alot of the time. There's simply not enough narrowbodies in the fleet to cover the seats required from this city.

MCO & LAX require widebodies too, from the sheer numbers they move.

Other airlines cover those with narrowbodies. DL has a large domestic narrowbody fleet of 757s, MD80s, and 737s, and that small MD90 fleet as well.

Plus, that 767 could make more money on international routes than it could flying those large numbers between JAX-ATL.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14191 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 13):
Other airlines cover those with narrowbodies. DL has a large domestic narrowbody fleet of 757s, MD80s, and 737s, and that small MD90 fleet as well.

Other airlines may cover MCO and LAX with narrowbodies, but have you ever seen the amount of people and cargo DL moves out of ATL to those cities? The widebodies are sorely needed. As it stands right now, MCO receives over a dozen flights a day to ATL, mostly on widebodies. Those aircraft are packed as full as they can be, and almost year-round, too. Taking a widebodies off of MCO and LAX would be more negative than positive. Delta's narrowbody fleet is stretched too thin as it as right now, and having them fly more long-range domestic flights to LAX, SEA, SFO, LAS, etc. won't help.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14164 times:

Delta's widebodies are needed for the ATL-Florida runs. Also, not even the non-ER 767-300 could fly ATL-HNL or CVG-HNL, a 767-300ER or 767-400ER is needed for those routes.


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User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14143 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Thread starter):
Completing the Continental-ization of Delta's scheduling practices

It was only a matter of time that DL would target this since literally all of their scheduling upper management is now former CO. But it will be interesting to see how they can truly reach this goal without reducing some domestic market share. Also, this does not mean DL will eliminate widebody completely in the domestic US (I'm guessing they are considering HI international schedule wise). It just means they will probably only operate as domestic turns between the international runs (as mentioned in reply 8) the same way CO regularly flies widebodys and internationally fleeted 757s from hub to hub. I can bet you will see markets like ONT-ATL loose the 767 however.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3995 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14042 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 15):
Also, not even the non-ER 767-300 could fly ATL-HNL or CVG-HNL

With ETOPs certification which they are working on, they can do these easily from SLC or LAX. I don't see DL doing any HNL or other Hawaii flights from ATL, CVG or JFK for the foreseeable future. All such will be routed through SLC and perhaps LAX.



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5222 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14011 times:

Quoting Junction (Reply 16):
But it will be interesting to see how they can truly reach this goal without reducing some domestic market share.

AW&ST also says that DA will to reduce domestic flying by 3% a year through 2010. To give you a sense of scale, 3% of DA = 67% of Frontier, based on 2005 RPMs; alternatively, reducing DA by 3% is the equivalent of turning SLC into a focus city EVERY YEAR for the next four. Since DA doesn't plan to give up any hubs, the domestic wide-bodies are the target.



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13984 times:

Doesn't say much about the state of Delta's domestic demand and product.

Many if not most of these new international routes have marginal profitability, if that. It's not like good profit opportunities - low hanging fruit - haven't been recognized by the industry. And US visa and security issues make the US a poor prospect for sustained tourism growth.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3995 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13943 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 19):
Doesn't say much about the state of Delta's domestic demand and product.

DCI SkyWest is what is keeping DL in the domestic short and longhaul business increasingly (same with UA for that matter).

Quoting Sebring (Reply 19):
Many if not most of these new international routes have marginal profitability, if that. It's not like good profit opportunities - low hanging fruit - haven't been recognized by the industry. And US visa and security issues make the US a poor prospect for sustained tourism growth.

Most Europeans (as well as Canadians for that matter!) posses a valid passport. While I disagree with the need for a passport for U.S./Canada trans-border crossings, I think these new rules will encourage more Americans to get a passport over time and perhaps in 4-5 years the U.S.A. will be at the level of valid passports that Canada and Europe are at (typically over 50%).



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13890 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
I can't see this story as accurate, frankly...

Ditto

Quoting MasseyBrown (Thread starter):
At last they have figured out that ATL-JAX is not the best use for a 767.

I believe the ATL-JAX is an original 767 route from the 1980s when the aircraft was delivered....and from what I've learned, a route like ATL-JAX, or ATL-MCO, ATL-DFW, etc, are perfect routes for the non-ER models.

But they have so few widebodies left domestically, I was under the impression that all 767s that could go Int'l, have already done so, and those we see in N.A. were all the non-ERs.

Delta and Continental between the two of them cover Europe very well, with about the same number of destinations....Will Delta forge deeper into south and eastern Europe?
Or, would they enter into some key CO-Only markets such as GLA, OSL, or LIS?
Or, is this move to add frequency in existing markets?

Airports served with own metal...no codeshares allowed! (current & planned)

CO....DL
EDI EDI
GLA ***
BFS ***
DUB DUB
SNN SNN
MAN MAN
BHX ***
LGW LGW
BRS ***
CDG CDG
BRU BRU
AMS AMS
CGN ***
*** STR
FRA FRA
TXL TXL
HAM HAM
*** MUC
ZRH ZRH
GVA ***
OSL ***
ARN ***
CPH CPH
LIS ***
MAD MAD
BCN BCN
MXP MXP
*** VCE
*** PSA
FCO FCO
*** VIE
*** PRG
*** KBP
*** OTP

26 24



Delta does not serve 9 of CO's European airports.
Continental does not serve 8 of DL's European airports.

When thinking of where DL could go, there are the old standbys we always talk about; Helsinki, Warsaw, Nice, etc.
Or, maybe DL will go completely mad and do Rotterdam, Lyon, Alicante, and Bergen!?

When do the additional Italy flights begin? Were they not 2007? Or was I imagining that!



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13750 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 20):
And US visa and security issues make the US a poor prospect for sustained tourism growth.

I wouldn't totally agree on that because the weakening dollar is bringing alot of Asia and Euro tourist in--the problem with the security issues lies in hub growth--airlines cannot readily capitalize on connection traffic to 3rd nations i.e. Europe-U.S.-Latin America.



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User currently offlineDiesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13626 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 21):
CO....DL



Quoting Stirling (Reply 21):
HAM HAM

DL does not fly to Hamburg.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 21):
Delta does not serve 9 of CO's European airports.
Continental does not serve 8 of DL's European airports.

Therefore, DL does not fly into 10 of CO's European airports.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4796 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13516 times:
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Quoting Stirling (Reply 21):
When thinking of where DL could go, there are the old standbys we always talk about; Helsinki, Warsaw, Nice, etc

Delta already serves NCE from JFK. You may also want to include both BUD and IST on DL's list...

[Edited 2007-01-05 20:27:53]

25 SLCUT2777 : That was from reply 19. Please read again my reply from #20 below: Most flights to Europe will bring about fares that will be double or even 3x your
26 Post contains images Western727 : Call me a whiner, but I miss the days in the 80s and 90s when it was easy to fly domestically on widebodies. I remember the good 'ol days at ATL when
27 LAXdude1023 : There are two areas where they will not remove widebodies: The West Coast: LAX (especially), SFO, LAS, SEA, SLC, and SAN Florida: MCO, FLL, TPA I fly
28 Halcyon : That route gets a lot of pax, and DL is proud to be "the" widebody service there. I personally got screwed over on that route before due to lack of s
29 Thrust : So does that mean that DL is considering upgrading their domestic 763s to ER's? I know that sounds impractical, but just wondering. Should we expect t
30 MasseyBrown : It may be nice, but does it make money? Today's numbers say that DA cannot make a competitive return on their investment by flying widebodies on shor
31 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : This is a requirement for service from SLC, SFO or LAX to go to Hawaii; ETOPs-180. The only time CVG will see them is for the few Europe flights they
32 WorldTraveler : Aviation Week is not accurate by saying that all of DL’s widebodies will become international… because about 20 of them are not ER capable and the
33 1337Delta764 : Probably not, they will simply be ETOPS-rated, but not up to ER standards. Delta's non-ER 767-300s use GE CF6-80A2 engines. A 767-300ER requires GE C
34 Logos : Amen to that. I've taken a 763 at 9 p.m. on a Saturday night MCO-ATL and had it packed. Never been on a widebody on that route with more than a few s
35 Post contains images Monorail : And just where do they expect to find the capacity to replace all these domestic widebodies? A quick look at today's timetable shows from ATL: 11 767s
36 Post contains images Halcyon : I can't tell you that...I can only tell you what I know currently. Delta WILL need a lot of filler if they take out these planes as Monorail said, un
37 Viscount724 : The need for US transit visas by citizens of many countries has made the US much less attractive as a connecting hub between non-US origins/destinati
38 SESGDL : There are a number of airports DL serves that aren't on that list. IST, ATH, NCE, BUD, DUS, and SVO. They also don't serve HAM. So that's 29 European
39 Post contains images Monorail : Maybe they don't plan on compensating... Conspiracy theory time: The REAL reason they're dumping all this "excess" (but actually profitable) capacity
40 ERJ170 : 2 questions here... 1. Will Delta start using some of there 757 for international routes? 2. Will Delta start doing some P2P international service? Ju
41 DeltaL1011man : also there is a T7 on ATL-LAX 0189 ATL LAX 1030A 1230P DELTA 777
42 Airzim : Well maybe the fact that DL is in bankruptcy tells you that running all these widebodies around the system isn't the smartest things to do. Everyone
43 LAXdude1023 : I would if the flight were more than 3 hours. Certain markets need the wide bodies, namely the West Coast. Not so sure about Florida as much, but on
44 Monorail : I agree, there has to be something they're doing wrong to put them in the bankruptcy situation they're facing. However, I'm quite convinced that the
45 AA777223 : That's great if you can actually use them. Have you ever tried using a free ticket on DL. I tried once, and I had to wait until exactly midnight, 365
46 DeltaL1011man : There is one reason DL is in BK its called Leo F. Mullin. Its not what DL is doing now. What Dl is doing will get them out of BK. Just remember DL sho
47 San747 : Thank God... I had a real scare when I first read the beginning of the thread... DL 767s are about all us San Diegans have anymore...
48 SESGDL : Well DL will discontinue 767 service to SAN for about a month in March and April. They will return 3x daily from ATL-SAN-ATL in the end of April, how
49 WorldTraveler : While some people ignorantly think DL putting widebodiesin Florida was foolish, I'll remind you that DL was THE most profitable airline in the world i
50 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Damn, I think hell just froze over, I gotta agree with a comment by Airzim . Of course, I would also wish the days back when L1011s were a dime a doz
51 Woodsboy : What about SLC and ATL to ANC? Those are both 763 routes (and SLC also with a 752) and usually pretty full, I cant ever upgrade out of or into ANC. Ma
52 727stretch : I was under the impression that JAX was one of the cities with the most DL Medallions, so considering the stage length, it probably makes a really go
53 Jfk777 : Ex-TWA 757's to Hawaii will let the 764ER's fly across the pond where they belong. Domestic 763's will remain that because what can you do with them?
54 MCOflyer : The 767's for MCO, FLL, and TPA will stay. They are always jammed full for these routes. I would expect the ATL-JAX run to be a 767 as well if the rou
55 Baron95 : You seem to be missing the point. Virtually all international flights make money for Delta. Many domestic flights lose money. Who cares if the domest
56 Baron95 : Since when is holding market share at all costs (including continue to run unprofitable domestic routes) a Delta business goal? That is late 90s/2000
57 Baron95 : PLEASE!!!! ATL-JAX is 270 miles. That is the perfect route for a Greyhound bus or an ATR-42. It is a marginal route for almost any jet plane. A 737-9
58 Baron95 : Really? Do you miss the ticket prices that you had to pay then? If so, buy a first class ticket on a narrowbody - you'll have a better flying experie
59 EddieDude : It would be great if DL chose to deploy the non-ER 767-300s in the ATL-MEX or JFK-MEX routes.
60 Baron95 : An improvement, but these planes really need to be put on JFK-Western Europe high yielding routes. Fitted with Business Elite (less seats) these plan
61 SiouxATC : ATL-PHX is also getting the 763 back, 2x daily: Delta 1139 4:40pm 16 Feb 2007 ATL 6:53pm 16 Feb 2007 PHX Boeing 767-300 Delta 1471 7:40pm 16 Feb 2007
62 MasseyBrown : People say that DA has to continue to fly the non-ER 763's domestically. Why? 20 of the 24 are leased. DA doesn't have to fly them at all; DA can retu
63 FCYTravis : How many times do people have to repeat the fact that full planes are not necessarily profitable ones, especially to no-yield Florida vacation market
64 Surfdog75 : Large aircraft are a much more efficient way of utilizing limited airspace. I see the day coming where the Feds encourage much larger aircraft through
65 DeltaGuy : Still curious, where did you get that thought? Have you ever flown DL into JAX? Or let me ask you this, have you ever tried to upgrade on a flight in
66 Baron95 : How is it different flying two narrowbodies (more frequencies) ATL-JAX instead of a 767? Medalion members can be upgraded on both. And, by the way, w
67 Alitalia744 : Then according to you the likes of AZ, BA, LH, DL, UA, AA, CO, US, HA, QF and many others are not flying "modern fleets"
68 MasseyBrown : I lived in JAX for two years and flew in and out a decent amount. Yields were higher and costs lower in the 80's and 90's, although even then ALT-JAX
69 Baron95 : How many of those have ordered 787s to replace theis 767s and/or have issued RFPs for replacement? Of the remaining ones, how many have expressed the
70 FlyDreamliner : Golly, i guess it'd hurt you to know that for NW, the DC-9 is more profitable than the A319 on many routes, since the A319 has lease payments, and th
71 Baron95 : That is true, the tiny minority of 764s and some newer/upgraded 763s (like Lan Chile's) are a very good ride for pax. 764s have better CASM is certai
72 AA777223 : You are absolutely right! It was 330 days in advance. Either way, using reward tickets should not be so difficult. A free ticket isn't such a big dea
73 Osubuckeyes : Thats interesting because im going PHX-ATL in march on a 767-300 to and from ATL.
74 Thrust : I only hear talk about ex-TWA 757s going international. Are DL's own original 757s not ETOPS certified?
75 DAL767400ER : Montego Bay, Panama City (Panama), Guatemala City and San Jose (Costa Rica). Baron, do you have some kind of problem with the 767? Did some 767 pilot
76 WorldTraveler : You can disagree with whether DL's strategy of pumping seats into Florida in the late 90s was what made it the most profitable airline in the world, b
77 FlyPNS1 : While it is true that nearly 30% of DL's ASM's were from Florida, the bulk of that capacity was coming on narrowbody aircraft. By 1999, DLX was in fu
78 LAXdude1023 : HAHA indeed, Hawaii goes without saying. I dont think a 757 could make the ATL-HNL routeing. I think we will continue to see some form of 767 on ATL-
79 Dl757md : During yesterday's Velvet Rope Tour for employees Jim Whitehurst stated "the non ER 763 will remain domestic". DL757Md
80 WorldTraveler : DLX was an attempt to provide nonstop service in a number of markets where DL did not provide nonstop service and to increase frequencies in competiti
81 Post contains images Halcyon : Kind of a "going down in flames" sort of thing. I like it. Good one. Lucas
82 Skibum9 : With this line of thinking, I guess DL and all other airlines should quickly retire their 767s, 757s, non 737NGs, 717s, any MD-anything, all original
83 Ikramerica : which is why I said this... The word "all" was what most of us objected to, as it is very unlikely that "all" DL Widebodies will go international.
84 Stirling : Sorry gentlemen,....I made a mess of that list!, see what happens when trying to do too many things at once?! Might you be exaggerating just a bit? Y
85 WorldTraveler : DL flew an ATL - Tblisi (sp?), Georgia route back in the 90s as part of the Friendship Force, I think. Georgia-Georgia has been done (stopped in Frank
86 Baron95 : Unfortunately yes. I have a BIG problem with AAs decrepit 767s in international service. I will have to fly on one tomorrow from MIA to GIG. I'm drea
87 MCOflyer : The 767 is a wonderful aircraft for long haul. Look at how many airlines rely on it for their long haul services. DL is one and until they find a suit
88 Evan767 : Stupid question: Do you guys think DL could potentially serve Iceland? JFK-KEF on a TWA 757 would sound pretty nice.
89 Baron95 : Would you care to explain why it is (and has been for years) THE WORST selling widebody/long-haul plane on the market? Perhaps all the airline execut
90 AA777223 : Which is the most common aircraft to cross the Atlantic? More than all other airliners, wide and narrowbody combined in commercial airline service? O
91 Baron95 : Could it be because it is so slow, so short ranged, that that is pretty much the only routes they can be used on? By the way, of the most competitive
92 AA777223 : Most likely because a greater capacity is needed. What percentage are A332s, the closest competitor to the 763/4? Not too much more, because the capa
93 Viscount724 : Not sure what you mean by "short ranged". The 767-200ER and -300ER can easily handle nonstop sectors of over 6000 statute miles. AC use the 767-300ER
94 Viscount724 : The 767 has one big advantage over all other widebodies...only a 1 in 7 chance of winding up in a middle seat in economy on a full flight (which most
95 707437 : Still building 767s although at a rate of only 1 a month and there are still buyers, LAN, ANA. . . might even break the 1000 mark. . . considering how
96 DeltaL1011man : range --A332 ------A333---------------762ER--------763ER--------764ER 12,500 km--10,500 km-------12,200 km---11,305 km---10,450 km PAX A332--------A33
97 Stirling : All those folks in economy....in addition to the big spenders up front dictate a larger bird.....but that should not be misconstrued as meaning the 7
98 DAL767400ER : Well, for one thing, the 767 is the only plane in Boeing's portfolio who's successor is already being build. Does Boeing already build a 747 successo
99 WorldTraveler : let's also mention that the 767 has opened more international routes to nonstop service than any other aircraft - in fact, ALL other aircraft before i
100 AA777223 : I don't think the 767 is inferior. In my post, I was defending her.
101 Post contains images Alitalia744 : and the ol'Gal from the south isn't done pushing
102 Dl757md : Nothing that I'll share at this point, however I will say that if his demeanor and conviction at the meeting was indicative of the attitude of our to
103 WorldTraveler : good to hear..... I heard that DL has as one of its goals that other airlines should be afraid to have to compete with DL. I'm sure that's part of the
104 IAHERJ : Even CO will send a widebody on a Florida turn from EWR. I walked down to my gate the other day fully intending to preflight my 757 for my MCO turn an
105 Airzim : I think I just threw up in my mouth!
106 Post contains images OttoPylit : Having worked in JAX before for DL, I can say that there are many Medallions that care about that upgrade. Upgrades and priority boarding are some of
107 Ikramerica : In Y, they are better. 32" pitch, 2-3-2 seating, same IFE. In BF, the 777 is better, with more recline and wider, more comfy seats. Of the 3 BF produ
108 TrijetsRMissed : This is not all that surprising. Delta's Int'l widebody fleet has been thin ever since they rushed out a fleet of MD-11's that were replaced by a 777
109 MasseyBrown : Somebody complained in a private message about my referring to Delta as "DA". It's their old stock symbol, which I tend to use without thinking, since
110 Post contains images Flyorski : Less seats available, more demand, prices go up..... Looks like profit to me
111 Evan767 : Why's that?
112 Boeing7E7 : Completely impractical. There is no way in hell they can accomodate growth in major domestic markets without them. If anything, over time more will b
113 TWA1985 : Delta is also flying a 767-300 between Atlanta (ATL) and Fort Myers (RSW). I am booked on the 6:45 a.m. departure from RSW to ATL on March 16th on my
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