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Alaska To Start PDX-BOS/MCO  
User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 975 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5295 times:

Alaska Airlines announced today it will offer new daily nonstop service beginning Sept. 9 between Portland International Airport and Boston and Orlando, Fla. The year-round flights will be available for purchase beginning this afternoon.

The new flights are Alaska Airlines' first nonstop transcontinental routes from Portland and mark the airline's ongoing expansion in the Rose City. The routes also continue Alaska's transcontinental growth, bringing its total number of transcontinental routes to eight.

Portland-Boston flights will depart at 7:45 a.m. Pacific time and arrive at 4 p.m. Eastern time. Return flights will depart at 5 p.m. Eastern time and arrive at 8:20 p.m. Pacific time. Portland-Orlando flights will depart Portland at 9:25 p.m. Pacific time and arrive in Orlando at 5:45 a.m. Eastern time. Return flights will depart Orlando at 7 a.m. Eastern time and arrive in Portland at 10:10 a.m. Pacific time.

The new transcontinental flights will be operated on Boeing 737-700 aircraft, accommodating 12 passengers in first class and 112 in the main cabin. Service begins September 9.

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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5271 times:

PDX-MCO sounds great, but I am a little puzzled why they did not choose EWR over BOS? Maybe they feared the competition with CO from EWR and B6 from JFK.

User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 1):
PDX-MCO sounds great, but I am a little puzzled why they did not choose EWR over BOS? Maybe they feared the competition with CO from EWR and B6 from JFK.

I would imagine that they chose BOS over EWR because there is no competition. If these routes succeed, I would imagine they will add service toother cities as well.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5218 times:

Wonderful news for PDX!

However, I'm intrigued by the huge lead time. It's very unusual to announce domestic service 8 months in advance. I would imagine the timing of the service is based on a/c deliveries, otherwise I can't see skipping the summer season for the BOS flight especially...

Anyone got any ideas about why the long advance notification giving competitors, if any, a chance to beat them to it? Hello B6: to BOS in May perhaps?

It might be a lively summer for Portland Intl!

bb


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

Finally!!, but I wish the PDX flights had a better schedule for connections to/from West Coast cities.

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

Wow, this is surprising. I would have thought B6 would be the one to start non-stop BOS-PDX. I hope this works out for AS as PDX is one of the last west coast cities BOS does not have non-stop service to.

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 2):
I would imagine that they chose BOS over EWR because there is no competition. If these routes succeed, I would imagine they will add service toother cities as well.

When you consider that CO offers 2 daily non-stop flights from EWR and B6 offers a daily non-stop flight from JFK, AS probably does not want to compete with 2 other carriers offering 3 daily flights.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

Okay.. congratulations and all but I gots to say it..

It would be nice is Alaska would do some more East Coast destinations.. I only see NY, MCO, MIA, DC, and BOS. I know they have some sort of codeshare with AA, but some eastward expansion would be nice. But that's just my thought..



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 7):

It would be nice is Alaska would do some more East Coast destinations.. I only see NY, MCO, MIA, DC, and BOS. I know they have some sort of codeshare with AA, but some eastward expansion would be nice. But that's just my thought..

It would be nice, but it isn't going to happen. They serve the big markets - Boston, New York City, DC, Orlando, and Miami. Outside of maybe going to Atlanta or Philadelphia, there isn't a viable place for them to expand due to Seattle's geographic position. While Alaska's hub, it offer limited connections - to Alaska and the Northwest - that are a thin market from the East Coast. I'd bet that we would see EWR-PDX and MIA-PDX before we see them add another East Coast city, and I don't think either of those two are likely.

[Edited 2007-01-05 21:12:03]


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User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
However, I'm intrigued by the huge lead time. It's very unusual to announce domestic service 8 months in advance.

I was a little surprised by this as well. However, if you want to see whether you might be facing direct competition, announce a flight well in advance. If no one announces the same thing within a month or two, proceed. If they do, you can quietly modify your plans and do something else.


User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Outside of maybe going to Atlanta or Philadelphia, there isn't a viable place for them to expand due to Seattle's geographic position.

US only just started PDX-PHL after considering it for a very long time before that, and even then it's a rede-eye. I don't see AS starting a PDX-PHL anytime soon.

Same for ATL...it's safe to say that DL has that market cornered, as does UA with the flight to IAD.

PDX-MCO should do well, and I agree that AS should start PDX-BOS in time for the summer season. PDX-BOS should also do well for them, too.


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

Damn AS needs to order -900ER so the can do PDX-MCO with more seats. Im sure when they put winglets on them they'll use the current -900s for some longer duties granted we dont know the range increase it will give. does anyone know if AS will order some -900ERs?


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13765 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4839 times:
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Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 11):
does anyone know if AS will order some -900ERs?

I'll never say never, but an emphatic "probably not." AS is pretty impressed with the 738 and intends to make it the workhorse of the fleet going forward.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 10):
US only just started PDX-PHL after considering it for a very long time before that, and even then it's a rede-eye. I don't see AS starting a PDX-PHL anytime soon.

Same for ATL...it's safe to say that DL has that market cornered, as does UA with the flight to IAD.

I don't think they will start those flights either. I was referring to Alaska starting ATL or PHL from Seattle, not Portland. If Alaska Airlines were to expand trans-con from Portland, it would obviously be Newark and/or Miami, but I don't see either happening.



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User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

I am surprised they are starting it at one of the slowest travel times of the year, especially for Transcons. While MCO has year round demand due to the Theme Parks I think September is one of or the slowest attendance month at Disney, Univerisal, etc.

Regards

LGA777


User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 4):
Finally!!, but I wish the PDX flights had a better schedule for connections to/from West Coast cities.

I agree. With only 1 QX flight a day from ACV to PDX and two flights to LAX, it is still nearly impossible for me to connect to any flights to the East Coast. My only options are to fly up to SEA and catch the dreaded redeye, spend the night in SEA and catch the am flight, fly down to LAX and connect to AA or DL or fly United through SFO. The ACV-RDD-PDX flight gets in too late (2:40pm) to connect to any eastbound AS/CO/NW/AA/DL flights unless I want to sit around until redeye o'clock.



I'm leavin on a jet plane. Don't know when I'll be back again....
User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 4):
Finally!!, but I wish the PDX flights had a better schedule for connections to/from West Coast cities.

You never know what to expect in the Fall in terms of feeder flights. QX will be getting some CRJ's added to the fleet this year as they scale down their Frontier JetExpress duties.


User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

This is great new for PDX and the Portland metropolitan area....I'm so happy that Alaska is finally expanding in Portland and hope to see more in the future...Alaska is a great airlines and I definitely plan to take advantage of this new service...Good job Alaska!

User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

One more note, I hope to see Alaska to establish nonstop from PDX to Dallas,NewYork and Washington DC in the future..................

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17828 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

Interesting adds...thin markets that aren't particularly high yield--particularly MCO


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
Interesting adds...thin markets that aren't particularly high yield--particularly MCO.

Maverick, after my initial happiness for Portland (as expressed in my earlier post), I'm doing just a bit of head scratching myself. I started looking at numbers (per FareMeasure) and comparing them with, say, San Diego. (SAN currently has 1 AA BOS n/s -- with B6 kind of nosing around as well -- and a big fat 0 n/s to MCO.)

Here are the numbers:
PDX-BOS 256 O&D pax/day
SAN-BOS 473 O&D pax/day

PDX-MCO 282 O&D pax/day
SAN-MCO 356 O&D pax/day

I guess different cx look at the numbers differently. Of course cx also apply different values for different cities with additional factors besides just O&D, LF and yields when figuring on where to put their resources.

PDX is of course a hub for AS and QX with some connecting pax as well as being a city in which AS wishes to maintain a high profile and remain a (the?) major player in town. It looks like this year will see QX expansion from PDX and this new service may tie in with that. AS may also figure that some PDX pax actually fly out of SEA (since there is n/s service to MCO from there already) but would become PDX statistics if the service is there. (I know this is the case with SAN pax showing up as LAX pax when there is better service available out of LA.)

It will be interesting to follow this announcement for the next 8 months and see how it all plays out. Again, I do wish AS and PDX the best of luck with these new services.

bb


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

Hummmmm....Could this mean we wont be seeing the rumored Hawaii service any time soon???

User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

How come it seems like when PDX get new service, most people on here assume that is doomed for failure? I truly hope it succeeds!

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 21):
Could this mean we wont be seeing the rumored Hawaii service any time soon???

Interesting point, 737; I almost mentioned that in my post (#20): maybe AS will be flying BOS-PDX-HNL! I'm not sure of the number of new a/c to be delivered this year but, assuming other service is not cut, the new BOS/MCO flights will account for 2 new planes right there...

There hasn't been much in the rumor mill lately re: Hawaii, has there?

bb


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8691 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

Great news for MCO. Will the crew spend the day in MCO or turn the plane around?

MCOflyer



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25 Alaska737 : well they did that overwater test as many know, but then the rumors died down, however there is a girl in my class whos dad is an AS pilot and she ha
26 LHPDX : BOS-PDX-HNL would be sweet.......We can only hope that will come to fruition........
27 Flyibaby : Considering the flight is roughly 4.5-5 hours one way, I would say that the crew will probably be scheduled to bring the aircraft in from say SFO-PDX
28 Post contains links Gmcc : 12 will be delivered if to click on the 2006 link on the following page http://alaskasworld.com/NEWS/fleet/fleet_plan.asp . Only 6 are scheduled befo
29 RobertS975 : This is great to hear... DL used to fly BOS-PDX nonstop in 757s back when they had their PDX Pacific hub going full blast. Lasted about a year. It is
30 COERJ145 : Maybe. The SEA flight arrives 6min after the PDX flight leaves(WestJet does this in PSP, seems to work for them).
31 Alexinwa : I think that is about time AS started these routes. I don't buy into for a minute that PDX can't support both of these routes year round. I don't care
32 N174UA : Exactly...game theory at its best...anticipate your rival's next move and determine your best response. In this case, if AS gets a good enough footho
33 Post contains images Stirling : Nothing worse than arriving in Orlando with a bunch of kids who have been up all night, and having to wait another 6 hours for your room. And then, h
34 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : That would be nice. What it's been a rumor for like 3 years now?? I think they will have to get another gate, or come to some terms with another airl
35 EA CO AS : Far longer than that, but it has been actually MENTIONED as a possible destination for only the last 12 to 18 months or so.
36 NASCARAirforce : Doh! Bad times for spotting at MCO[Edited 2007-01-07 17:40:58]
37 SANFan : RE: timing of the SEA and PDX flights in BOS. Remember we are looking at 8 months out on the new flight; I would be amazed if AS didn't shift times an
38 MAH4546 : If an airline ever starts Miami-Portland (which is not a large local market at 1999 daily passengers, but has a very high average round-trip fare of
39 Flyibaby : I am more surprised that they did'nt time the flights to provide some amount of feed from NWA on the NRT flight. According to the NWA schedule NRT ar
40 ASFlyer : I'm a little stumped. My memory of the PDX hub "glory days" were that DL flew to a handful of cities throughout the west and several cities east of P
41 B752OS : An interesting fact is that currently, UA carries the most passengers on the BOS-PDX route. I can see the O&D numbers increasing by a decent amount as
42 Tango-Bravo : If for no other reason, the new transcons from PDX announced by Alaska will succeed by picking up overflow from the carrier's undercapacity in the SE
43 Alaska737 : Correct me if i am wrong but i believed its really started to pick up since AS completed their overwater tests. It may not be announced in the next f
44 Post contains images RwSEA : See below: This is the same strategy that NW has used with their PDX-NRT flight - shifting some of that connecting traffic to PDX allowing the SEA fl
45 MAH4546 : Tampa would never work, IMO. They don't even have flights to San Francisco. I heard from MIA employees that MIA-SEA is supposed to get a second fligh
46 B752OS : Do you really think AS will want to start SEA-IAH, a market, although it currently has only one carrier CO, that is pretty well covered with 8 daily
47 Chugach : Hopefully as the 738's continue coming in, AS will start filling some of the gaps at PDX. These new flights, combined with the PDX-SJD/PVR flights tha
48 Alaska737 : I agree, AS is thin on A/C and i think the 737-700 will be the best fit in PDX. Once the -800's start rolling in, we can expect new routes and more f
49 Post contains images Stirling : We actually agree.... I suppose I didn't make myself all that clear. These new AS flights to BOS and MCO will need to survive on their own merits; th
50 Alaska737 : Amen, i get teary eyed when i think of the ANC or yester-years. or any airport for that matter are you saying that the town or the air travel have be
51 AlexInWa : I want PDX to work. Just as I want SEA to work. I just think that AS could make alot of these under-served markets work. I don't buy much into O/D nu
52 MCOflyer : If thats true, cool. I wonder if it will be a junior or senior bid route? Hope the crews from PDX like Florida. Btw, I hope these crews do not have t
53 ASFlyer : Typically most of the transcons are scheduled as one leg. Sometimes there is a tag on from YVR or GEG, but usually just the one leg.
54 SANFan : Please elaborate MAH; your numbers sure don't match FareMeasure's which I show as 62 pax/day PDX-MIA, 137/day to FLL and another 20/day to PBI, for a
55 MAH4546 : Sorry, I wrote one extra 9. 199 passengers a day, which is border line on being able to support a non-stop. Remember, the longer a route gets, the le
56 S12PPL : AWESOME news!!!!! Since I'll be probably flying PDX-MCO in January of next year, this is fantastic! I wouldn't have to connect!!! As soon as I know fo
57 EWRCabincrew : Since it is a longer haul trip for AS, probably more senior. That and it depends on how the leg is incorporated into a pairing. If it's a turn or a t
58 ASFlyer : For FA's,they are contractually unable to build pairings at more than 10.5 hours. This prohibits us from doing turns to any of our east coast cities.
59 B752OS : Can you please explain what you mean when you say the longer the route, the less O&D is needed. I agree with you, if MIA gets the non-stop, passenger
60 LHPDX : I'm curious..How come Alaska airlines does not have more flights from PDX and Anchorage? Also, what about Fairbanks? Do you think well see more in the
61 Stirling : I was referring to the city of Portland. Beginning in the late 1970s, Portland and the state of Oregon were in a world of hurt....the lumber industry
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