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BA Announce Long Haul Increases  
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9753 times:

British Airways has annouced that it will upgrade Barbados and Beijing services from March.


Beijing - Increase from 6x Weekly to Daily weekly 777-200ER from LHR

Barbados - Increase from 9x to 10x Weekly 777-200ER from LGW


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PEK will be upgraded from 30th March
BGI will be upgraded from 28th March

Sorry if this has been posted before.

In March BAH/DOH will also be upgraded to the 744:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3069134

Rob!  wave 

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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9567 times:

I'm guessing the BGI upgrade is to facilitate the 3x weekly extensions of the flight to POS!!!
Can't wait!


AA1818



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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9242 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
PEK will be upgraded from 30th March

Annoying. I want to travel from PEK to LHR on the last Saturday before then and there is no flight because it is 6 weekly!



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8803 times:

I do like all the BA expansion at the moment, but where are they getting the a/c hours? Are they cutting back on other flights?

User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8468 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):
I do like all the BA expansion at the moment, but where are they getting the a/c hours? Are they cutting back on other flights?

No, they are getting better utilization from their existing aircraft. This can't go on for much longer though without getting new aircraft.



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8448 times:

Shame LHR-ACC is not upgraded to a 777/747


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8216 times:

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 4):
No, they are getting better utilization from their existing aircraft. This can't go on for much longer though without getting new aircraft.

Actually, there is quite some utilization left in the existing fleet to allow for some more frequency reinforcements. BA's widebody utilization rates are at the lower end of idnsutry averages for sure when the large fleet size is factored in.


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6443 times:

LGW-BDA increases from 5x Weekly to Daily again.

The Daily BGI flight is a terminater. The additional 3x Weekly flights are the ones that go on to Port of Spain.

LGW-IAH increases to 13x Weekly (only one flight on Saturday's).

LHR-LAX returns to 3x Daily

LHR-JFK actually sees a recuction, with the daily BA173 reduced from daily to 3x Weekly.

LHR-MEX increases from 3x Weekly to 4x Weekly.

LHR-GRU goes back to Daily from 10x Weekly.



Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6206 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
Actually, there is quite some utilization left in the existing fleet to allow for some more frequency reinforcements. BA's widebody utilization rates are at the lower end of idnsutry averages for sure when the large fleet size is factored in.

Definately. BA's 747's currently operate an average of 9.5 sectors per week. The 777's do slightly better at an average of 11 per week, but this includes the BAH-DOH, AUH-MCT and ANU-UVF/TAB/GND flights


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2384 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5464 times:

Anyone know how LHR-YYC is doing, or is too soon to say?

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5417 times:

Question do you think that with the additional flights to BGI, BA will no longer have to add extra services to BGI during the winter as it currently does?

Regards



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11418 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5381 times:
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Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 7):
LHR-GRU goes back to Daily from 10x Weekly.

And will go back to 10x weekly effective October 28th, 2007.

Felipe



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8286 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5382 times:
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I'm surprised BA is reducing the options to JFK, there main route to America. Usually JFK get the goods and another city sacrifices the airplane to JFK. May be this is the "new" Walsh BA. Lets see what happens next?

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
I'm surprised BA is reducing the options to JFK, there main route to America. Usually JFK get the goods and another city sacrifices the airplane to JFK. May be this is the "new" Walsh BA.

How? JFK has just been increased to 55x weekly for the Winter, and goes to 51x weekly during the summer, which is still an increase on last summer (48x weekly)


User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5135 times:

YYC flights have been going out full the past few days, but so have all the other ones from stations throughout the US.

User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

Any chance BA will add some new cities in the United States (e.g., DTW, MSP, PDX)?

User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 15):
Any chance BA will add some new cities in the United States (e.g., DTW, MSP, PDX)?

BA flies LHR - DTW - IAH daily.


User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 15):

Any chance BA will add some new cities in the United States (e.g., DTW, MSP, PDX)?

It's not that simple, as these would have to be operated from LGW due to Bermuda II. I don't think BA has any serious intention of increasing US services out of LGW, wouldn't be worth their while.


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

Quoting BAStew (Reply 16):

BA flies LHR - DTW - IAH daily.

Wow, that was stupid of me. How could I forget?

By the way, does BA have traffic rights between DTW and IAH? I doubt it, but I thought I just might check.


User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 18):
By the way, does BA have traffic rights between DTW and IAH? I doubt it, but I thought I just might check.

Nope, no local traffic rights. Under Bermuda II BA can't fly LHR - IAH - LHR direct. So via another US city is the only option. It is mainly for oil execs wanting to fly from Houston to African oil cities via LHR. Omits the need for a long road journey from LGW - LHR if making a connection.


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

Quoting BAStew (Reply 19):
Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 18):
By the way, does BA have traffic rights between DTW and IAH? I doubt it, but I thought I just might check.

Nope, no local traffic rights. Under Bermuda II BA can't fly LHR - IAH - LHR direct. So via another US city is the only option. It is mainly for oil execs wanting to fly from Houston to African oil cities via LHR. Omits the need for a long road journey from LGW - LHR if making a connection.

The fact it's on a 767-336ER too is maybe what's helping DTW retain its LHR service, as I'd imagine a significant proportion of these Club World and World Traveller Plus seats are filled with passengers from IAH. I don't believe BA would operate such a tag-on for low yield economy passengers if the premium traffic wasn't there, whilst using its smallest longhaul aircraft (24 Club, 24 WT+) suggests DTW is mainly filling the back cabin.

I notice IAD remains twice daily after dropping from 3x Daily at the end of last summer. Again, maybe a way for BA to boost numbers on the BWI flight.



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User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

They are intending to keep the MAN - JFK service then, what with BACON being sold off?

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4590 times:
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MAN-JFK was a BACon service and there is is a very remote possilbility that someone may decide to add a million quid or so profit per year to the LCY RJ100 operation (registered office still in Didsbury!) but it will probably end up contributing to mainline profits.

User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 4):

That makes ense, I was beginnign to wondering how they do it. Why are BA reducing the JFK routes? I know its an obvious question but I always assumed BA made their money on the JFK runs. Is it just that more money can be made elsewhere


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4396 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 23):
That makes ense, I was beginnign to wondering how they do it. Why are BA reducing the JFK routes? I know its an obvious question but I always assumed BA made their money on the JFK runs. Is it just that more money can be made elsewhere

They're not, read reply 13.


25 BA787 : Sorry, I skimmed through the thread following the JFK thing.
26 BAStew : Spot on. Most of the IAH - DTW pax are in Club/WT+ although the loads on the domestic sector do seem to be quite light in general. Obviously the LHR
27 Sam1987 : At the moment it seems that way... but, just like any other route BA operate, if it ever becomes unprofitable, they will axe it.
28 SW733 : Do they still run an LHR-ORD-IAH, or did DTW replace ORD?
29 Wrighbrothers : LHR-DTW-IAH and back replaced LHR-ORD-IAH. wrighbrothers
30 SANFan : ...SAN? (...pretty please...one more chance...we promise it'll work this time...) If BA can do IAH as a tag-on, then.... I know, you've heard it all
31 FlyDreamliner : They're already at DTW, and since any additions would have to be out of LGW, MSP won't work because NW is already covering it daily with an A333 from
32 Wolsingerjet : Had a friend who flew YYC-LHR-YYC on the BA flight.It was full on the way out and he said about 3/4 full back.I would assume that means its doing well
33 SANFan : Talk about a great flight to tag a SAN-leg onto! Ever since I saw the announced BA service to YYC, and given the open-air US-CA agreement, it seemed
34 VonRichtofen : Not really. Kris
35 Wolsingerjet : I see AC will also go double daily YYC-LHR again this upcoming summer on a seasonal basis.This is when this should get interesting on the YYC-LHR rout
36 Post contains images David_itl : BA 767s flew MAN-LAX which may have been the longesrt 767 route operated by them (about 4600 nautical miles) ? Admittedly not fully loaded though LHR
37 Viscount724 : BA still won't be competitive with KL, AF, LH, IB and AM who all have daily Europe-MEX service (more than daily for IB and AM). BA have lost a busine
38 Boysteve : I was under the impression that this was a mainline service, and not BAcon. I know that BAcon FA's are used, or thats what other threads on here have
39 Vasu : Will BA longhaul flights be more prone to knock-on delays now?
40 LH423 : I believe it has something to do with the Mexico-UK bilateral. I know BA would love to serve MEX more (the flights are always full) but something abo
41 QatarA340 : " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/discussions...69134 Do you think there is enough demand to satisfy a non-stop route to DOH? It seems that its
42 BigOrange : They are. They are reducing frm 55 x weekly to 51 x weekly, that is a reduction!
43 Planesarecool : Yes, it's a seasonal reduction. However, against the same time period last year, it's an increase. Aside from anything, the Winter-Summer reduction i
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