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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7325 posts, RR: 24
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8870 times:

http://www.buildingabetterairline.com/route_map_international.html

Hello All, I wanted to start a discussion on the International Route structure of the proposed merger specifcally. Namely:

1) Right now ATL is the major gateway to Europe, Latin America, and Asia. Would this still remain if the merger took place? If not would flights be re routed through other citites?

2) Is maintaining so many International Gateways feasible?

3) CLT vs. ATL and PHL vs. JFK, which would prevail?


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User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8819 times:

Have to laugh at that route map...really looks like DL gets a lot out of that merger. I found ARN...is there a single other international city served by US but not DL? We can see who this merger benefits, and it's not customers, employees, or shareholders.

Anyway, to answer your questions, yes, ATL is DL's crown jewel and would remain the number one hub in such a merger.

Maintaining so many gateways depends on what you mean by a gateway - CLT would lose lots of flights to ATL, especially international. PIT and/or CVG would lose capacity, although right now CVG does well on its European routes.

ATL would be the clear winner and CLT would be a big loser in such a merger. There are better arguments for PHL versus JFK, but for the kind of flying DL is getting into now there's just no beating the massive JFK O&D. PHL would be a regional connecting hub and JFK would get the international flying.

It's all kinda moot because if the merger goes through, the combined company will be back in bankruptcy court during the next business cycle downturn, probably by 2011 or so, and with DL's recent trip to BK and HP/US' combined four bankruptcies, they'll not get any workable recovery financing and the combined carrier will have liquidated by early next decade. But the above is likely how things would look during their final years.



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8777 times:

The best part is the location of BJX on that map (Leon, Mexico). Half way between Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo.

'902



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User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8753 times:

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 1):
Have to laugh at that route map...really looks like DL gets a lot out of that merger. I found ARN...is there a single other international city served by US but not DL? We can see who this merger benefits, and it's not customers, employees, or shareholders.

Good grief, first reply and the thread has already been hijacked!?!?


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

It is a joke. As I said in the thread about the new US Airways Merger Website, US/DL will have Europe, Bits of Africa, Bits of the Middle East and South America. But ... only two destinations in Asia (NRT and ICN). I keep hearing that Asia is where people want to go. DL will apply for 2008 rights to China. If they get them, that would make a 3rd destination in East Asia. Big Whoop Di Doo. Still not that good. Sure DL has Indian routes but what about HKG, SIN, BKK, SYD, or MEL.

If this merger were to happen, there would nothing good on the long-haul routes. They still will not have the fleet to have extensive international exapansion...that is unless the US order for A350s is held or DL can order more 777s or place an order for 787s. Even then they will have to wait for a few years till they can expand.

US probably spent time thinking about which to buy, DL or NW. I bet if they had approached Doug up in Eagan, MN, he would have welcomed Parker with open arms and said, "Let's get this party started. You have Europe, We have Asia. We have Midwest, You have West. We could get rid of our DC-9s and use your A320s. We all can fly EMBs and CRJs. We can add your A330s to our fleet and expand in Europe and onward from Japan. We have 787s on order which could help with massive expansion. We also have HUBs in Japan and Europe with 5th freedom rights for getting further O&D and going more places. Here is a little document...sign right here."



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7325 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8657 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 3):
Good grief, first reply and the thread has already been hijacked!?!?

No worries, just want peoples opinions.

Im particularly interested what people will think of the fates of:

ATL-NRT
ATL-TLV
ATL-TLV
ATL-JNB
ATL-ICN



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8627 times:

Yes it is indeed evident that from that route map it looks like US just wants to steal all of DL's international routes. Just an assumption.

Oh and DL benefits not only from ARN but SKB! Wow two routes! US gets what, 20 new stations?



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8605 times:

ATL and PHL would be the safest cities in the merger. I can only see growth in the international flights out of ATL. CLT would be the hub at risk. CVG is a question mark since PIT and CVG share a lot in common and US really slashed PIT, I would guess that it would stay the same as it is now with the nail being put in the PIT coffin. SLC or PHX but not both would be reduced in size with the other being beefed up.

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8545 times:

59. I counted. US Air would get 59 brand spankin new international destinations to fly to. No wonder they are so happy! I counted destinations in Canada, Mexico, Carribean, South America, Europe, Africa, and Asia.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8537 times:

Make that 61. I forgot ICN and NRT.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8467 times:

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 1):
PIT and/or CVG would lose capacity, although right now CVG does well on its European routes.

PIT for one is a nicer facility. I do however agree that CVG would keep more destinations than PIT. I don't see PIT losing very much though, because with only 157 daily flights to 52 destinations, there isn't to much to cut!


Currently US doesn't even serve PIT-CVG or PIT-ATL.

I see this in US's PIT future with or without DL:

PIT-PHL (12)
PIT-CLT (10)
PIT-LGA (7)
PIT-BOS (5)
PIT-PHX (3)
PIT-LAS (3)
PIT-MCO (3)
PIT-DCA (7)
PIT-LAX (1)
PIT-FLL (3)
PIT-TPA (2)
PIT-MIA (1)
PIT-ORD (4)
PIT-IAD (Express-4)
PIT-DEN (2)
PIT-EWR (Express-4)
PIT-BWI (Express-4)
PIT-RDU (Express-4)
PIT-STL (Express-4)

Yeah that is about all I see in a few years?



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7325 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8368 times:

I guess my biggest concern is seeing the flights I mentioned in my last reply:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
ATL-NRT
ATL-TLV
ATL-JNB
ATL-ICN

Being moved to other gateways. Quite honestly, I want them to stay in ATL. The ones already in existance do well in ATL I believe firmly that ICN, NRT, JNB, DXB, and TLV should be ATL destinations, not PHL or PHX if this merger goes through.



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User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8328 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Thread starter):
CLT vs. ATL and PHL vs. JFK, which would prevail

ATL will be the largest hub. PHL will be a hub... at the same time the JFK operations are more O/D which I do not think PHL can be compared to.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8274 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 2):
The best part is the location of BJX on that map (Leon, Mexico). Half way between Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo

I think that same "Continental Shelf Drift" is responsible for PVR (Puerto Vallarta) now being located somewhere between Acapulco and Guatemala City!
(And I'm sure we could go on and on...  Smile )

bb


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8242 times:

How many times is this ? going to be posted?
Parker already stated in his original merger proposal and analyst meeting/s that the "new" US would have the following (in order) major hubs, ATL, PHL, CLT and that PHL would be used as the major NE International gateway, versus JFK, because of it's better connectivity. As I have mentioned in earlier threads on this subject, I submit the major point in PHL's favor is that JFK and PHL have identical Domestic O&D numbers and the large inernational O&D advantage at JFK is offset by the fact it's shared among 60+ international carriers. I cannot see US ignoring the 4M International O&D at PHL, with competiton from just 3 international carriers, in favor of JFK. Further, facility wise, the PHL international terminal/s are far superior to JFK, in about every respect and I think this is a generally accepted fact. ATL will likely remain the major international hub, if for nothing else, because of it physical size. PHL, however will likely benefit from the merger's effect of providing capable aircraft for new Asia/Far Eastern routes. So, in summary, I project that ATL and PHL will be the two international hubs, with a few flights from other cities, such as PHX and CVG or PIT (whichever one is selected). CLT will possibly loose both of it's current flights (LGW and FRA), unless they become partially subsidized like the LH MUC flight. SLC would obviously be in direct competiton with US's headquarter's at PHX and therefore it's future seems uncertain - to me anyway. I would think the new US would transfer one or both of the ATL-TLV flights to PHL or start a new service, if for nothing else because of the huge unserved jewish poulation in the Philadelphia area. I suspect, without proof, that the majority of ATL-TLV is connecting. US would already be flying PHL-TLV if it had a capable aircraft. The only other possiblity I see is PHL-ICN in favor of ATL-ICN. PHL-NRT would only be possible if the ATL-NRT authority was transfered and that may not be reasonable if ATL-NRT is doing well. PHL-KIX (a new route) I would think is a possibility, however. A new US would likely need to compeletely rethink it's Asia/Pacific strategy in the event relationships with UA and/or *A are terminated.


User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 968 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8036 times:

Gosh, where to begin...

Quoting Vega (Reply 14):
As I have mentioned in earlier threads on this subject, I submit the major point in PHL's favor is that JFK and PHL have identical Domestic O&D numbers and the large inernational O&D advantage at JFK is offset by the fact it's shared among 60+ international carriers.

Question...why do you think 60+ international carriers fly to JFK and not to PHL? Hint...pretty much the same reason all major domestic carriers fly to ORD and not to DSM. Airlines service a market because there is a market to serve. Internationally, JFK has it, Philly...eh, not so much.

Quoting Vega (Reply 14):
Further, facility wise, the PHL international terminal/s are far superior to JFK, in about every respect and I think this is a generally accepted fact.

Wasn't USAirways pitching a hissy fit because the couldn't get enough gate space at PHL International to start their new service to BRU and ATH (and one other...forgot where), and so PHL airport had to change their plans to move DL to the international terminal to accommodate US? Just imagine all those "new Delta" widebodies trying to find a place to dock in PHL.

Quoting Vega (Reply 14):
PHL, however will likely benefit from the merger's effect of providing capable aircraft for new Asia/Far Eastern routes.

Question...why doesn't one single airline currently operate service between PHL and Asia/Far East? Hint...PHL makes a lousy connecting hub for flights from Asia (unless you're heading to Bermuda), and the O&D market isn't there...

Quoting Vega (Reply 14):
I would think the new US would transfer one or both of the ATL-TLV flights to PHL or start a new service,

One or both? Also, if there were two ATL-TLV flights from which to transfer one...the logical choice would be JFK.

Quoting Vega (Reply 14):
I suspect, without proof, that the majority of ATL-TLV is connecting.

Well, ATL is a major connecting hub, so that's a safe suspicion. ATL also has one of the largest jewish populations in the U.S. At least you admitted you had no proof.

Quoting Vega (Reply 14):
The only other possiblity I see is PHL-ICN in favor of ATL-ICN.

Korean Air flies to quite a few cities in the United States. PHL isn't one of them. ATL is. Wonder why? See my snotty response to your "PHL benefitting with service to Asia" supposition above...

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
I keep hearing that Asia is where people want to go. DL will apply for 2008 rights to China. If they get them, that would make a 3rd destination in East Asia. Big Whoop Di Doo.

Actually, if you look at total international O&D numbers, it seems people want to go to Mexico...

Also, I keep hearing that Delta wants to fly to Asia from Los Angeles, so be patient. Problem is, RJs can't make it, so until DL gets more 777s, more flights to Asia will probably have to wait.


User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7998 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 14):
SLC would obviously be in direct competiton with US's headquarter's at PHX and therefore it's future seems uncertain - to me anyway.

I tend to agree with your point all but this line. SLC is a far superior hub to PHX. It has a better, more user-friendly facility, and it is much more centrally located, making for easy connections for people coming out of Montana, Idaho, Washington, etc. to connect to flights going back east with very little backtracking.



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User currently offlineDL777LAX From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7964 times:

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 16):

I tend to agree with your point all but this line. SLC is a far superior hub to PHX. It has a better, more user-friendly facility, and it is much more centrally located, making for easy connections for people coming out of Montana, Idaho, Washington, etc. to connect to flights going back east with very little backtracking.

In the merger, I would be afraid that US wouldn't keep SLC, even though it happens to be central to the west. They have poured in a lot of money into the hub in PHX, and, have several Arizonian politicians in favor of this merger. I don't really know the difference in the sizes of the two hubs, but, US would keep the PHX one regardless, because that is where the airline is based. Remember too that DL might build LAX to look like there Atlantic gateway at JFK. IF that is the case, then, what are the possibilities of US keeping ALL FOUR hub/focus city operations in the west. PHX and LAX are the two that are on the most sound footing. LAS, it is a major o/d city, second to LAX, if i have my facts correct. SLC, it could theoretically work, but, both PHX and SLC would need to be stream-lined, or one would need to be cut. Now, it wouldn't make the politicians back at home base happy, so, SLC would get the shaft. However, all this theoretical business is contingent on one factor, US taking over DL.

Also, US would be flat out stupid to take all of the JFK trans-atlantic flights and stick them into PHL. why would you put higher-yielding O/D flights into PHL, which would become connecting flights, and thus, lower-yielding?



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7951 times:

I would love to see UA and CO route map combine too, it would be very interesting. I think DL will be waiting for their application for ASIA.. Right now its UA, CO, AA and NW are fighting over the routes  Smile

User currently offlineMastaHanky From United States of America, joined May 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7929 times:

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 17):
In the merger, I would be afraid that US wouldn't keep SLC, even though it happens to be central to the west.

Yep, SLC is a goner if this goes through. Maybe a few focus city flights to a few key markets, but that's it. We could hope that AA or CO would have interest in building up a small western hub, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 17):
Also, US would be flat out stupid to take all of the JFK trans-atlantic flights and stick them into PHL. why would you put higher-yielding O/D flights into PHL, which would become connecting flights, and thus, lower-yielding?

Yeah, it really surprises me that people suggest that. JFK T3 is a hole. You know that, I know that, everybody knows that. But JFK can support a bazillion markets with minimal connections, something that PHL will never do. Anybody who thinks PHL could support IST, NCE, TXL, SVO, GRU, etc on just O&D and a handful of connections is sorely mistaken. Not to mention the inability to sustain emerging markets like OTP and BUD.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7911 times:

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 15):

Also, I keep hearing that Delta wants to fly to Asia from Los Angeles, so be patient. Problem is, RJs can't make it, so until DL gets more 777s, more flights to Asia will probably have to wait.

That is until someone comes up with the LRRJ and then they will fly trans-pac.

All I can think of is...DL shot itself in the foot by shutting down much of its Asia ops. They used to serve SEL, HKG, NGO, and FUK (Don't remember if they served Osaka or TPE).

If the merger were to go through and US keeps its order for A350s, then Asian expansion will happen. If the merger doesn't happen and if the rumor that DL is going to send all their widebodies on long-haul, then they could even do LAX-Japan with a 767-200ER from LAX or SLC. It would be a start until more 777s enter the fleet or DL can order some 787s.



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User currently offlineDL777LAX From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 20):
If the merger doesn't happen and if the rumor that DL is going to send all their widebodies on long-haul, then they could even do LAX-Japan with a 767-200ER from LAX or SLC. It would be a start until more 777s enter the fleet or DL can order some 787s.

Or, if AA or NW gets the application, and DL decides that an ATL bid would be unattractive to the DOT, they could surprise us and do something unexpected, and send an application of LAX-PEK/PVG.

But, this is would be contingent on the DOT bid. sorry for being off topic.

Hopefully, LAX will survive the merger, if it happens. US might feel LAX would be redundent to PHX and LAS

[Edited 2007-01-06 07:56:20]


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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

I wonder if AC will use LAX as mini hub and introduce flights to ASIA along with SFO?...

User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 968 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7509 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 20):
All I can think of is...DL shot itself in the foot by shutting down much of its Asia ops. They used to serve SEL, HKG, NGO, and FUK (Don't remember if they served Osaka or TPE).

Also, BKK and TPE (remember Ron Allen's famous TPE hub proposal?). Unfortunately, most of the flights were out of PDX, which was not the greatest Pacific hub due to lack of connecting flights and O&D.

DL did fly JFK and LAX to NRT (AA applied for both the day after DL announced they were dropping them...duh), as well as LAX-HKG. Those would be nice routes to have right now.

DL could actually get back in to the JFK-NRT market fairly easily, as AA, NW and UA had service, but UA transferred theirs to IAD and NW has dropped their service completely.


User currently offlineCoewraatysaz From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7326 times:

Let's hope that if the merger goes through, it isn't has hard to read as those maps are. It looks like a child took a blue and red crayon and just drew lines all over the maps.


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25 Post contains links COEWRPVG : Here is a roughly legible map constructed by Great Circle Mapper of CO's and UA's international routes combined (with the omission of the Caribbean a
26 GLAGAZ : You can't see GLA on the map, although there is a red line which appears to stop in the GLA region. Gaz
27 Midway2AirTran : On a revenue perspective, that could be a irrational move. Why vacate a market of dominance and price control like CLT to concentrate resources on ma
28 Zone1 : I would say that CLT would only keep international city pairs that Bank Of America needs. LGW and FRA probably.
29 Lostturttle : For Bermuda any merger would be bad. Looking at the proposed route map all I see is a further reduction in service, and frequency, which would more th
30 LAXdude1023 : This is what I think too. ATL probably would remain unchanged on a international level, but some domestic service would probably be cut. CLT would be
31 PlanesNTrains : Actually, Delta doesn't get anything, because they are being taken over by US in the deal. From that perspective, it doesn't matter what Delta gets.
32 Post contains images Steeler83 : If they want to cut PIT anymore, they might as well pack up their things and just frigging leave. No US at all, and it still seems to me that the cou
33 Australia1 : forget SYD & MEL, what about BNE, it's realitively underserviced cf. SYD & MEL ?
34 LAXdude1023 : Its a reason why I'm against it to. PIT, like DL itself has nothing to gain and lots to lose. Its hard enough having PIT compete with PHL and CLT for
35 Jfk777 : PHL and JFK would be large international operations for Delta/US. Why would one be sacrificed ? They are both large enough dupicate service could be s
36 Brilondon : SLC will go the way of DFW on the DL side of the merger (takeover). HP is the real winner in all of this. They probably wanted DL all along but were n
37 Steeler83 : Thanks for feeling that way and understanding me man. This I think we can all agree with. Atlanta is a growing city, expanding at a very rapid rate.
38 Vega : Your replies to this and the other post here are arrogant, self-serving and without merit at best and really could be summed up quickly with a single
39 Vega : I stand by my earlier assumption and what Parker has already stated to the analysts, "PHL has better "connectivity"". If it can shown that current DL
40 DL777LAX : Actually, DL's JFK operation is profitable due to the fact that it is mainly O/D. notice the word MAINLY. Sure, DL provides connectivity to several c
41 Steeler83 : Pittsburgh also has a large Jewish population with its massive Squirrel Hill neighborhood. Still, probably nowhere near ATL for that matter I guess..
42 Steeler83 : Pittsburgh also has a large Jewish population with its massive Squirrel Hill neighborhood. Still, probably nowhere near ATL for that matter I guess..
43 Vega : I don't disagree with that assumption. My point however is that no one has been able to show (on A-net) that even 40% of the current DL JFK Internati
44 Stirling : Or the fact that there are two "GRU"s. Really, what point do these messes serve? It would make much more sense to draw regional maps, or go in a new
45 CentPIT : While I completely agree, most people do not. I have begun to swallow my pride.
46 Post contains images LawnDart : Whereas you seem totally non-biased towards either US or PHL... okay, I'm sorry, I was snotty (and admit as much). Let's kiss and make up ... And you
47 Post contains images Evan767 : Not to mention they don't know the code for Bucharest. It's BUH according to this map. Also, since when has DL flown to FLR? US Airways.
48 Post contains images SQ452 : Ummm...no, PIT is certainly not a nicer facility, and we've had this debate many many times!!! For starters, CVG does extremely well on the Europe ro
49 Post contains images Steeler83 : Would you cut off your right arm to fly PIT-LGW? 300 bucks was what it cost to fly into PHL for Pete's sake ONE WAY... 400 will actually get you from
50 Vega : It might help the reader understand your point if you read the referenced posts (#48 and #10) more carefully before replying. The references are comp
51 SQ452 : Uhhh I was comparing CVG to PIT. PHL has nice sections but terrible layout and design, some nice terminals (A), some in disrepair... so, to be honest
52 Burnsie28 : Until next year when the 787 arrives.
53 ChrisNH : Aside from the Caribbean, nothing from Boston. No transatlantic...nothing. That's pretty sad, IMO. Once upon a time, Logan factored big in the plans o
54 Steeler83 : Ok, so I didn't know that the comparison was with CVG and not PHL. I just assumed it was because of CentPIT's post about PIT and PHL. I would say some
55 WesternA318 : IMHO, I think LAS will become the focus city, as PHX and SLC complement each other with SLC on North-northwest connections and PHX with the O/D avail
56 CentPIT : PIT is so much nicer.....PIT is about as efficient as it gets bud. PIT is extremely clean as well. I think you should go look around! I do respect yo
57 Jamake1 : All the makings of a bungled airline merger. I am having a flash-back to the PS/US/PI merger and am reminded that anything involving the USAir(ways) n
58 Steeler83 : I know! PIT can handle 4 times the amount of traffic that is there now, even more. Sure, the region is shrinking, and the planners and current mayor
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