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Avianca Selects The B-787  
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8883 times:

I am basing my statement on the screen saver on the computers at Avianca's VIP room at BOG.

Take a look at the images:











I don't have any confirmed information about the short-mid range aircrafts, but the rumour is still the same, (A-320's).

I posted tons of pictures on my trip report BOG - MIA in Avianca.

Avianca BOG-MIA On J (Many Pics) (by RICARIZA Jan 5 2007 in Trip Reports)

Also, when the flight departed I saw 4 or 5 Wayra Peru F-100s on hangars near BOG, are they going to be used by AV?

[Edited 2007-01-06 02:43:00]


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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2363 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8734 times:

I want more proof! Very misleading title.

But it does look really good AV colors. Great bird and wingflex.

[Edited 2007-01-06 03:59:43]


"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineMATURRO727 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8497 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 1):
I want more proof! Very misleading title.

hey, with all respect i think its ovbious. I know its only a screensaver but anyhoy its displayed on AV's VIP launge, what more proofs do you need??? as easy as 1+1=2.

in my personal opinion the tittle fits great.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 1):
But it does look really good AV colors. Great bird and wingflex.

i agree.


good election by AV going for the "Dreamliner" but i hope they pick Boeing for the short-mid range.

BTW RICARIZA well done on that trip report.

regards.

MATURRO727


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26971 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8467 times:

Yes I doubt that they would have this on their PC's if they were not going to be operating it unless some passenger downloaded the screensaver from the boeing site or something .

User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8385 times:

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 2):
BTW RICARIZA well done on that trip report.

Thanks!

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 1):
Very misleading title.

Ahh come on, do you think they would have a screen saver for anyone to see if it wasn't confirmed?



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User currently offlineSAOAP From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 170 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

Next to Boeing's own Dreamliner, this is probably the best looking 787! Can't wait to see it in GRU  Smile A smart move by Avianca!


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User currently offlineLostturttle From Bermuda, joined Dec 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8288 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 1):
But it does look really good AV colors. Great bird and wingflex.

I agree!

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 2):
ts displayed on AV's VIP launge

Someone needs to tidy up that mess of wires especially if the computers are set up in the VIP lounge!  Smile

But still more good news for the 787 if true.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7996 times:

Boeing had the upper hand with respect to AV's widebody order all the time, mainly because of the time factor; AV cannot possibly wait until the A350XWB enters service, and the A330/A340 as a bridge airliner is not such a smart solution, especially because the first deliveries of the 787 are not so far away. It is only a matter of when, not if, that an official announcement is made.

As for new short haul aircraft, there have been many insistent rumors that the A32X family will be chosen by AV. I would not be surprised if AV indeed has chosen Airbus.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7964 times:

I remember some time ago the CEO i think from AV said that the Dreamliner was a certainty in their fleet and made more sense when replacing their 767 fleet than airbus' A350 (old version). I think it is a matter of when and not if- similar to AA and the 787!! Gerald Aprey has said that the 787 is the a/c for AA and so it is when and not if!

Hope to see some official confirmation soon and a firm order placed within this half of '07. Slots are being filled quickly and with at least one US major likely to place some orders this year- possibly AA or UA and other potential customers like EK, BA or LH likely to announce a decision by July, AV better hurry or else 2014 will be the only available time frame for the Dreamliner.

I must say, Boeing really does have a winner here. The Dreamliner is surely a 'dream come true'!

AA1818



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2363 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7833 times:

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 2):
hey, with all respect i think its ovbious. I know its only a screensaver but anyhoy its displayed on AV's VIP launge, what more proofs do you need??? as easy as 1+1=2.

It is easy as 1+1=2, but it is still not a official source. Remember that on here we need sources.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 4):
Ahh come on, do you think they would have a screen saver for anyone to see if it wasn't confirmed?

There is a 99% chance of AV getting the 787. But having a screensaver with a 787 on it does not require a statement like this:

Avianca Selects The B-787 because the screensaver at their VIP room says so.



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7044 times:

Very interesting!

Can anyone confirm this news?



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User currently offlineMATURRO727 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 9):
Avianca Selects The B-787 because the screensaver at their VIP room says so.

i must admit you have a point there but come on you said so there is 99% chances to get it, and as you said we need sources and it would be better if we have an "official source" like a press release but to me the screen savers are a source in one way or another.

at least for me it's clear.

I'm wondering, why in the last picture there's a title that says "Avianca lideres 2010" these might be the first delivery year or am completely nuts ???

Regards

MATURRO727


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6810 times:

Anyone could have loaded those on there. Maybe the IT guy happens to be a airliner enthusiast with Photoshop.


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User currently offlineMATURRO727 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 12):
Anyone could have loaded those on there. Maybe the IT guy happens to be a airliner enthusiast with Photoshop.

Seriously doubt it.

Cheers.

MATURRO727


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6245 times:

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 11):
I'm wondering, why in the last picture there's a title that says "Avianca lideres 2010" these might be the first delivery year or am completely nuts ???

I was just looking at that.

Maybe is their delivery year?? I think we might start looking into Boeing's ufos to see if any EIS matches with AV needs and 2010.......

I've said in this forum at least 100 times, from an inside source in the financial dept, the 787 order is already a closed deal, why not any confirmation?? AV kept waiting for closure in the short/medium range fleet. AFAIK, Airbus with a mix of 319-320 was almost going to get the order, at least by the second week of december, but of course, everything can change at the very last minute.

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 12):
Anyone could have loaded those on there. Maybe the IT guy happens to be a airliner enthusiast with Photoshop


The only reason of doing that, is because no one knows the final desing for the A350XWB.... duck  sorry, couldn't resist.

Cheers

JAAH



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 14):
I've said in this forum at least 100 times, from an inside source in the financial dept, the 787 order is already a closed deal, why not any confirmation??

heard the same from a Avianca source in Venezuela.... by the way heard also that AV was able to assure 2 very early delivery slots and they will be one of the first customers to get the aircrafts.... hope this information that I get from my source is correct...

cheers



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9812 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

How can you base the order on a screen saver. I also think AV will eventually order the 787 but these screen savers can very well be nothing but promotional material. That's what we would call selling techniques by giving away free stuff such as screen savers, pencils, notebooks, brochures, you name it. Having these screen savers doesn't have to mean anything even though I do think AV will go for the 787.

Let's wait on the official order instead of basing the order on a screensaver.

P.S. Yes, the 787 looks very nice in the AV livery of course 

Saludos,

A388  

[Edited 2007-01-07 06:11:45]

User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

Cool pictures but I agree that it’s a misleading title.

User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5965 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 15):
by the way heard also that AV was able to assure 2 very early delivery slots and they will be one of the first customers to get the aircrafts.... hope this information that I get from my source is correct...

I hope that too...



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5928 times:

The Lideres 2010 is the company's aspiration to be leaders in latin America by the year 2010. A good fleet is an important part of that, and I guess that would be an important year by which the MD83s would have been replaced (I am nostalgic about them already  ) and the new widebodies would be on their way in..

[Edited 2007-01-07 14:29:36]

User currently offlineMATURRO727 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5855 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 19):
The Lideres 2010 is the company's aspiration to be leaders in latin America by the year 2010. A good fleet is an important part of that, and I guess that would be an important year by which the MD83s would have been replaced (I am nostalgic about them already ) and the new widebodies would be on their way in..

could or could be not. IIRC in Semana magazine(not sure) there was an article about the new Fokker aircraft's, Eldorado's concision and the company projections for the future and not sure if these words were from Mr. Eframovich but he said that Avianca, Ocean Air, VIP and Wayra(i think we can erase these one from the list) would be the most strong group of the LatAm careers by 2012.
i think that with the word "Lideres" they are highlighting that by 2010 they'll be in the lead of their competitors.

Regards.
MATURRO727 checkmark 


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5828 times:

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 20):
Wayra(i think we can erase these one from the list) would be the most strong group of the LatAm careers by 2012.

By the way, I saw 4 or 5 Wayra's F-100s in a Hangar near BOG, does anybody know the fate of these? Are they going to be used by AV or Ocean?



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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2044 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5807 times:

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 20):
Wayra(i think we can erase these one from the list)



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 21):
By the way, I saw 4 or 5 Wayra's F-100s in a Hangar near BOG, does anybody know the fate of these? Are they going to be used by AV or Ocean?

What happened to Wayra? Did it ever take off? If so, are they liquidating? I hear so much about them not getting their F100s, but instead going to AV or Ocean Air.

Cheers,
Coal



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5724 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 22):
What happened to Wayra? Did it ever take off? If so, are they liquidating? I hear so much about them not getting their F100s, but instead going to AV or Ocean Air

They took off, 8 months in service, doing well, but there was a problem with the management and it seems it will go down. This was the only company from Synergy Aerospace (owner of AV, Oceanair and VIP) where they were not the major shareholders (they had 49%), and apparently they were not able to stop the management issue. They operated with 6 F-100's.
If you check their website you'll see what I am talking about (In Spanish):

http://www.wayra.com.pe/



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5581 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 22):
What happened to Wayra? Did it ever take off? If so, are they liquidating? I hear so much about them not getting their F100s, but instead going to AV or Ocean Air.

Found these pics:


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25 Post contains images MATURRO727 : in addition i read that synergy group tryed to buy the company, but the major shareholders asked for a very high price, therefore the synergy group b
26 NYC777 : I think the AV order is already on Boeing's order book but listed as Unidentified Customer. There are two orders that stand out: 1) September 15, 2006
27 777jaah : Hi J!! Happy New year. Doesn't Synergy also plans to have all its companies working at elast under the same name by then?? 2010 is not too far away a
28 Post contains links 777jaah : I was just looking at Boeing's order book and they still have 115 737s and 30 787 UFOs, which will be enough for AV, not including orders for Leasing
29 NYC777 : Yes I think 30 of the 115 737s and 11 of the 30 787 are for AV. I thik the aircraft ordered in mid September are AV's orders.
30 Post contains images 2H4 : Using that logic, Southwest had some Sonic Cruisers on order, too: After all...the above image was a popular desktop wallpaper at Southwest corporate
31 Lokey123 : i will say for the millionth time that AV has gone with the 32x, 319s and 320s to be precise and the 787.
32 777jaah : Although I wish a Boeing order, I have to go with you, and trust my sources, which for sure know a bit on this deal. I've said it many times too, eve
33 Post contains links RICARIZA : Checking CH aviation, MM (parent company of AV) appears with 13 F-100's. Are the other 3 from Wayra maybe? or MM has always had 13 F-100's? http://ww
34 Post contains links 777jaah : AVs website shows only 10 F100, so they might be taking into account those 3 frames from Wayra. Of course, one might never know how often that site is
35 Post contains links RICARIZA : Nop, because they show only 5 757s and they have 7, also 5 767s and they have 7, so not exactly the best source as you correctly said. CH also shows
36 2wingtips : At least one of these and possibly both are not Avianca. Add them all up and they equal another recently announced order. You'll have to work out the
37 NYC777 : I don't think these were announced as they are still listed as Unidentified Customer on Boeing's order and Delivery web page.
38 Summa767 : This sounds right. But do you know how many 787s? And would they be on Boeing's order book yet as unidentified?
39 Coal : MM is not AV's parent company. MM is AV's regional carrier. Synergy Aerospace is AV's parent company. Cheers, Coal
40 RICARIZA : Right.. my bad...
41 2wingtips : Maybe I should have said commitment that has not yet formalised into an order. It is my view that Avianca have yet to order and they are not listed a
42 NYC777 : The only one I can think of that has made a committment to the 787 and the 737 is Hong Kong Air (formerly CR Airways).
43 777jaah : Is it possible AV has made a committment through a lease company?? JAAH
44 Post contains images 2wingtips : Think harder
45 NYC777 : Ugh, why are you torturing me!!! Is it ILFC or Garuda? Perhaps it is US Airways?
46 Post contains images 777jaah : Give us a hint................don't kill us like this, let us die without agony Any american airline (pls don't think only in AA, oops I just said it
47 NYC777 : Thing is that a lot of the US carriers that are in the market forthe 787 wold buy a whole lot of them. Not just 10 or 11. They would be looking for 3
48 777jaah : How many 350s they ordered?? On the original topic: You don't think AV has already ordered the 787?? Cheers JAAH
49 2wingtips : None of them. Have a look at which carriers announced they had/would buy Boeings in the last couple of months last year. It's not that hard really. A
50 NYC777 : Well I thought they had but according to 2wingtips they have not as of yet. Is it SU (Aeroflot) though that would be too funny with the way the Russi
51 2wingtips : Nope, still off the mark, I'm afraid.
52 Post contains images A388 : Let's wait until a official order has been announced instead of 2wingtips playing around with us A388
53 FriendlySkies : 20 + 20 I think
54 NYC777 : Ok at least give me a region of the world that this airline is located in.
55 Post contains images A388 : These are the only remaining potential 787 customer, except for BA but we all know BA is still evaluating both the A350/A346 and 787/773ER combo. I t
56 2wingtips : I think you need to go back and do some research. There are plenty more 787 campaigns than you mentioned. I've given plenty of clues. It was announce
57 Post contains images A388 : Haha, alright. I will just sit back and read this thread. I have the time A388
58 Acheron : Any surprise there?. The chances of Avianca buying Airbus are the same of Southwest replacing their 737NG with A320's.
59 RICARIZA : Well, there are many rumours that say that AV is really considering the A319-320 for its medium-short haul fleet renewal...
60 777jaah : Of course, anyone here can provide any hard info to backup this, but as I said it, don't rule out a 320 order from AV. Cheers JAAH
61 Lokey123 : We shall see, when the announcement is made you can remember that i said it.
62 NYC777 : Ok I figured it out. One of the UFO (either 10 or 11, I think it's the order for 11) is for VN. Did I get or did I get it?
63 AA1818 : 2wingtips- i'm trying to write an essay, but i won't be able to think untill u say whether NYC777 got it right!! VN came to mind, but I didn't think t
64 NYC777 : Actually I think the 737s are for someone else but someone did order 30 737 on one day it seems. (14 -700s and 16 -800s). Wonder who those could be f
65 Lokey123 : i think that oman might be in there somewhere.
66 Post contains images NYC777 : Yeah, oman, that was my 2nd choice!!!
67 AA1818 : where's 2wingtips....he's killing me with the suspense!!!!!!!! AA1818
68 Post contains links AMSSFO : Why does everyone has trouble indicating TUI Group as buyer of 41 airplanes: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q4/061215d_nr.html?
69 AA1818 : well done AMSSFO. I assumed that it was identified already since it was announced already- I wouldn't have thought it necessary to keep it a secret!!
70 A388 : " target=_blank>http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/...html? I also saw TUI as a identified customer and not a UFO order..... Will see mean that Arkef
71 2wingtips : TUI announced their intention to purchase 65 Boeing planes of which 24 were already on firm order. So, they are looking at 41 new planes. They still h
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