DL777LAX From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2673 times:
I haven't been impressed with US, and there bid to take over DL. way to much overlap, and too many lucrative holes in the network.
on topic, however, i do think that the US/HP deal was a great save by Parker. It was sad to see HP go, but, I wouldn't have wanted them to go into bankruptcy either. That was the principle reason why they did merge.
It seems that the operations have been pretty smooth, and it seems like a lot of the employees are relatively content being merged into each other. Well, at least on the HP side, I live in LA, and fly to PHX and LAS relatively often, and the employees seem to try to make the flying experience more enjoyable.
I flew on US once before the merger, and, if i remember, it was pretty uneventful, and forgettable. All i remember was that it seemed ridiculous that they wanted something like $8.00 for a pair of headphones.
Blindly following anything is bad, unless of course your blind and your following a guide dog.
Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2638 times:
Quoting AASTEW (Reply 1): It was on of the most smooth and quickly transitioned airline merger.
Your comment was about the AA/TWA situation.
Theirs wasn't a merger, it was an asset acquisition.
Many of the tricky labor issues (adding TWA union members to the bottomr of the AA list instead of merging them) and complex financial issues were resolved prior to the acquisition.
This was a merger only of aircraft that also incorporate the well being of TWA retirees. Nothing else that was TWA remained.
The Delta/Western mergers went better than most, althoght it too was full of labor related problems. Western employees lost all union representation shortly after the merger was finalized. Most Western union employees received immediate pay incrreases to Delta's superior non-union wage levels. But there was a LOT of animosity among Western employees toward Delta.
Never really understood why either. They were acquired by what was then the powerhouse of the airline industry. They got pay raises and job protection. They received the more valuable Delta stock for their Western stock which had been issued due to wage cuts during hard times. Their highly complementary route systems seemed like a match made in heaven, and in many ways it was, but labor was very sticky for several years.
Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
Rampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2621 times:
Would the Pacific/Bonanza/West Coast merger into AirWest (then later Hughes Airwest) be thought of as a good merger? It made three small regional airlines into a much larger and visible airline with more clout. I don't know about the details regarding employess, etc.
North Central + Southern was said to be awkward. The subsequent Hughes AirWest and Republic merger didn't retain much of Hughes AirWest in the end, so not sure how well that worked.
Back further, Frontier (the original)-Central was opportune, and expanded Frontier's presence in the Great Plains. Along the same lines is the Allegheny and Lake Central combination.
An earlier post crediting Continental and People Express also needed to include Frontier's half of the earlier Frontier-People Express merger.
Any of you have opinions about TWA-Ozark, or Piedmont-Empire?
And here's one that's been overlooked -- how about all the merger/acquisitions by Mesa Air over the years, to become the megaregional it is today. Revolutionized regional airlines, didn't it? Similarly, Air Wisconsin, or Chautauqua! None of them would be recognized from their original homelands!
AlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2580 times:
What about Northwest/Republic? I know there are still some labor issues to this day regarding seniority etc., but otherwise it made sense from a post-deregulation standpoint (NW had long-haul, international, and high-traffic routes, while Republic had a stronger hub/spoke system, shorter routes with smaller planes, and the two had overlapping hubs particularly in MSP, so NW eliminated a lot of competition with the merger as well.
That was about the most rancorous of all the mergers that took place at that time (DL/WA and TW/OZ being the others) as the seniority list merger was, in military parlance, a Charlie-Fox. From an operational standpoint, it's worked out okay after a fashion.
I would agree that of all the mergers within the past 20 years, the DL/WA merger probably ranks as the smoothest and most beneficial to the resulting airline.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6733 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2366 times:
Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 11): What about Northwest/Republic? I know there are still some labor issues to this day regarding seniority etc., but otherwise it made sense from a post-deregulation standpoint
The NW/RC merger was definitly raucous, however the problems were between mainly the employee groups (unions) regarding seniority. The management at Northwest did all it could to defuse this animosity between the Red Tails and the Blue Tails but with little success. For years many Red Tail pilots would not speak to Blue Tail pilots and the same was true in reverse. On the ramp the disagreements became physical on many occasions.
AirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2294 times:
Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 5): If that is referring to Eastern Airlines, the two were never merged. They were both owned by Texas Air (Lorenzo) for a while, but the two were never combined.
It was about Eastern but I keep forgetting that they were never merged my fault
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 16): Is this only about airline mergers in the US or can it also be on Europe? I'd like to know a bit if some of the Euro airline mergers were "good" or at least beneficial to the airlines involved.
I didn't have it in mind but it is a good question what does the rest of the world look like??
Charlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1147 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2252 times:
I remember day one of the NWA/RC merger,IIRC there were headaches regarding basic operations,flights left on long trips with no meals,galley carts not having a common fit between fleets,RC maintenance used SCEPTRE,crew planning used different programs sometimes there was a crew and no aircraft sometimes there was an aircraft and no crew.