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The Airports Ryanair Serves  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

Many people believe that Ryanair (FR) just serve remote, secondary airports, far located from the nearest city. But that is, on the whole, a myth: if you look, the vast majority of the airports FR serve are of the regional variety - not secondary. To understand it, you need to realise that more people fly FR to visit their friends and family (VFR), such the 2 million Poles living in the U.K. and the 9 regional airports FR serves in Poland, than for leisure (39.29% for VFR, 37.57% for leisure). However, leisure, in terms of city breaks (e.g. to London, Dublin, Rome and Paris), sun holidays (such as Faro, Malaga, Almeria and Girona (Costa del Sol)) and skiing (such as Bergamo and Grenoble), is still crucially important. And people do fly FR for business reasons (23.15%, in fact), particularly, perhaps, on its Dublin-U.K.-Dublin routes, such as to/from Gatwick.

The regional airports it serves are typically small and quiet because they have few if any other airlines serving them, thereby enabling considerable negociation regarding the charges and fees imposed - a recent article about Londonderry Airport said FR gets everything, such as security, stand space, etc, for free - while permitting faster turnarounds, better on-time performance and fewer lost bags.

In Italy, for example, it serves 23 airports, of which only 5 or 6 could be considered secondary, namely Forli, Treviso, Bergamo, Ciampino and Brescia (5 or 6 depending on whether you include Pisa). That means 17 or 18 are regional ones, such as Turin, Genoa, Trieste, Pescara, Parma, Perugia, Palermo, Cagilari, Alghero, Rimini, Brindisi, Bari and Ancona. They are not secondary airports - they are regional airports.

Moreover, in some countries, such as Germany, there is a higher concentration of secondary airports, whereas in others, such as Poland, it doesn't serve any secondary airports, but rather only regional airports. Furthermore, the vast majority of the airports it serves in the U.K., France and Spain are regional, but with some secondary and some primary, while in Belgium it only serves a secondary airport.

In terms of Spain, it serves 15 airports, of which only 2, Gerona and Reus, could be described as secondary, while the rest are either regional, such as Zaragoza, Seville and Vitoria, or major, such as Madrid and Malaga.

In terms of France, where it serves 20 airports, only Carcassonne, Grenoble and Beauvais could be described as secondary, while the other 17, such as Brest, Bergarac and Montpellier, are regional.

While it certainly serves some secondary airports, the most well-known of which arguably being Hahn, Torp, Girona, Bergamo and Skavasta, the vast majority of the airports it serves are of the regional variety, such as Eindhoven, Billund, Klagenfurt, Wroclaw and Porto, while yet others are major, such as Madrid, Manchester, Birmingham, Warsaw, Dublin and Malaga.

The general perception is that the airports it serves are of the remote, secondary variety. That is perhaps explainable by considering that most people will probably not realise that Bydgoszcz, Poland, is used by the considerable Polish community in the U.K. for VFR reasons - more people fly FR to visit family and friends than for tourism - and not used as an alternative to, for example, Warsaw. After all, who would think to visit Bydgozcz? Who has previously heard of it?

What if I were Italian and lived in the Umbrian capital, Perugia? That regional city has a non-stop connection to London, thereby enabling a get-away trip to the English capital, one of the world's best cities. Cheap, easy, convenient.

Thus, FR on-the-whole provides a convenient option for getting somewhere by serving underserved or unserved regional airports throughout Europe. However, it certainly serves some secondary airports (generally in big cities, such as Paris, Barcelona, Milan and Rome) some of which can be far from the city they claim to serve, such as Torp to/from Oslo and Hahn to/from Frankfurt, although some are closer, such as Ciampino to/from Rome, while also serving some major airports (normally when there's only one option, such as Dublin, Warsaw and Madrid).


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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

What criteria are you using to distingush regional from secondary? It is not obvious from your post.
To me a secondary airport is one which servers a city which has a primary airport, ie it is a second facility for a city. Where as a regional airport is the primary airport for the region.


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User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1871 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4735 times:

Pearson, the reason peple consider they fly to secondary airports is just the misleadng way FR sells those destinations.
Beauvais is not Paris.
In the past, they sold Carcassonne as Toulouse.
The day they call an airport by its name, people will look at them in a more positive way.
Teva



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

I think you should see it from a customer perspective. In Europe four fifths of the customers live in the country side. Thus you need to fly there in order to catch them. The one's living in the countryside were always used to traveling to the next nearby city or regional airport in order to catch a flight. This is nothing new. Servicing small, regional airports has been an explicit part of AB's strategy since at least 15 years. Michael o'Leary was still a tax adviser then ...

On the destination side it is different: More people travel from the countryside to cities. City people also travel to other cities, but not predominantly to the country side. Therefore on the one hand you need the regional airports to get the people and you need comfortable city airports to receive them.

That's is where it lacks understanding at RyanAir ... Ryan might save 5€ per passenger by flying to REU instead of BCN. But the passenger has to pay at least 15€ to get from Reus to Barcelona. How is that fair? It really reminds me of an (attempted) scam that happened to me two years ago in Southeast Asia. I took an overnight bus from Hue in Vietnam to Savannakhet in Laos. 5km short of Savannahket the bus stopped, the driver said "End of line line" and left us prey to some motorbike drivers who offered a ride to Savannakhet for rip-off prices.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 1):
What criteria are you using to distingush regional from secondary?

If only there were a single answer to this question  Wink I've been working in it for months, but never found it.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 1):
To me a secondary airport is one which servers a city which has a primary airport, ie it is a second facility for a city. Where as a regional airport is the primary airport for the region.

And so here it depends on how you define a region. Some examples:

Is Liverpool the primary airport of Liverpool, or a secondary airport for North west England? Or both?

Is Pisa the primary airport of Pisa, or a secondary airport of Florence, or a secondary airport of Tuscany? Or all-in-one?

Is Eindhoven a primary airport for Eindhoven, a primary aiport for the south of the Netherlands, or a secondary airport for the whole country, and thus being secondary to AMS.

Is Bergamo primary to Bergamo, or secondary to Milan, or both?

I'm looking for some scientific definitions. I think it should be a definition, including the number of people (percentage) for who the airport would be the first choice, and the percentage of people that would consider the airport as not primary, but a good alternative when it offers the right connections/price/schedule/airline.


User currently offlineSpantax From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4700 times:

Well, I fly FR often because they are great value for money and their planes are almost always on time and often arrive ahead of schedule. I think FR is one of the most important factors in the aviation industry in Europe nowadays, because not a single major/flag carrier can operate without keeping a close eye on FR moves. And I find that one of the key elements in the success of FR is precisely that of flying to "strange" places with small, user-friendly airports. But all this having been said, I disagree 100% about the tactic of calling "Frankfurt" to Hahn or "Barcelona" to Girona. It is unfair, illegal, indecent and stupid. Stupid because they gain nothing at all with this tactic but, instead, they get a lot of bad publicity and legal processes, fines, etc. I hope they will change soon this approach.


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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4691 times:

Can you do me a favour and stop referring to "Visiting Friends And Relatives" as VFR, it's confusing as VFR is short for "Visual Flight Rules" which is the rules of separation when flying when you can see out of the window!


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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

Quoting Spantax (Reply 5):
But all this having been said, I disagree 100% about the tactic of calling "Frankfurt" to Hahn or "Barcelona" to Girona. It is unfair, illegal, indecent and stupid. Stupid because they gain nothing at all with this tactic but, instead, they get a lot of bad publicity and legal processes, fines, etc. I hope they will change soon this approach.

I disagree it's stupid. I agree that their previous approach "Barcelona (Girona)" was bad, however their current approach "Girona (Barcelona)" is very realistic. It shows that it is not Barcelona, but that it serves as an alternative to Barcelona.

Frankfurt (Hahn) is a different matter, but again, not illegal. Under IATA rules, HHN may carry the FRA designator, just like STN is part of LON, NRN is part of DUS, etc. It's depending on who defines it.

Almost everybody books via the web on Ryanair (98%). When you click on the map on Frankfurt Hahn, you immediately get a page mentioning "Frankfurt-Hahn is located approximately 124 Km from the city of Frankfurt. " Just one click, that is IMO well within reasonable own responsability of the user.


User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):

I think you should just get over it. A lot of people on this website dislike FR for the obvious reasons, and you're post ain't going to change anything about it, instead you'll be proven wrong and flamed.

Anyways, glad they haven't invaded Switzerland yet, and they may stay out for the time being Big grin


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 8):
instead you'll be proven wrong and flamed.

LMAO. I am not wrong. It is perfectly obvious, if you look at it, that the vast majority of the airports FR serves are not secondary but regional, irrespective of whether you apply a regional, city, or whatever, criteron.

Moreover, do not be under any illusion that I like a lot about FR. I do not. I just always back the underdog because that is my nature. Indeed, I dislike many areas of FR's operation, such as its relationships with its all-important stakeholders, it's occasionally misleading nature, the fact that it is not - like almost every discount carrier - an exciting and memorable product, that it relies too much on competing on price, and its poor media perception.

Let's look at SOME countries and the cities/airports in which that I consider regional or major. Please tell me the alternatives which make them secondary.

In Italy:

Turin
Genoa
Trieste
Ancona
Rimini
Brindisi
Bari
Lamezia
Palermo
Trapani
Cagilari
Pescara
Parma
Perugia
Alghero

In France:

Deauville
Brest
Nantes
La Rochelle
Bergerac
Poitiers
Limoges
Rodez
Pau
Biarritz
Nimes
Montpellier
Toulon - possibly serves as alternative to Nice, possibly simply as an alternative entry/departure point to/from St. Tropez; and B.A. did serve it.
Marseille
Tours
Perpignan

In Spain:

Zaragoza
Vitoria
Santiago
Madrid
Valencia
Murcia
Almeria
Malaga
Jerez
Seville
Granada
Valladolid
Fuerteventura

In Ireland:

Dublin
Cork
Shannon
Knock
Kerry

In Portugal:

Porto
Faro

In Austria:

Linz
Salzburg
Klagenfurt
Graz

In Poland:

Warsaw
Krakow
Rzeszow
Wroclaw
Lodz
Poznan
Bydgoszcz
Gdansk
Szczecin

U.K.:

Aberdeen
Inverness
Edinburgh
Newcastle
Teesside - not 100% sure. Secondary to NCL? Hmm.
Leeds
Manchester
Liverpool - major city in its own right
Doncaster
Bournemouth
Blackpool
East Midlands - arguably secondary, but Nott/Derby/etc v populous area
Newquay
Bristol

Czech Republic:

Brno

Netherlands:

Eindhoven

Sweden:

Malmo

Denmark:

Billund
Aarhus
Esbjerg

Germany:

Bremen
Friedrichshafen



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):

lol. I'm not going to argue with you, as it will be pointless because you're so blinded by your ryanair admiration.

But hey, thanks for the laugh  Silly


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

IMHO

Quoting Joost (Reply 4):
Is Liverpool the primary airport of Liverpool, or a secondary airport for North west England? Or both?

Its the primary airport for Liverpool and may be the/a *regional* airport for NW England. It can't be secondary, unless its secondary to somewhere else. I see no problem with an airport being both Primary and Regional.

Quoting Joost (Reply 4):
Is Pisa the primary airport of Pisa, or a secondary airport of Florence, or a secondary airport of Tuscany? Or all-in-one?

Primary of Pisa, secondary of Florence, regional of Tuscany. What is Amergio Vespuche(sp) Airport(?) for Tuscany? Pisa is obviously the main Tuscany airport.

Quoting Joost (Reply 4):
Is Eindhoven a primary airport for Eindhoven, a primary aiport for the south of the Netherlands, or a secondary airport for the whole country, and thus being secondary to AMS.

Primary for Eindhoven, *regional* for south Netherlands.

I personally find the use of Primary/Secondary for airports the way they are used in this thread quite difficult. In this country all airports are primary airports, unless declared secondary, but this is more an ATC/Operations things rather then a market/public thing.

Gemuser



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 12):
Primary of Pisa, secondary of Florence, regional of Tuscany

Tend to agree, but that opens the door for ambiguity and confusion. I mean, do you consider the number of customers and movements? Totally hypothetically, what if Pisa was the number-one airport in that regard over Florence? What if more people flew into Pisa yet went to Florence than the total number of those arriving into Florence? Would Florence still be the primary airport for Florence - even though it's closer to Florence - and Pisa the secondary? What if there were an airport 1 mile from central Florence which saw one flight a day - on an ATR-42 - and an annual passenger total (dep/arr) of 28,995? Would its location override the fact that it'd be the closest, or what? Would that airport be the primary one for Florence? You see, the list of possibilities for defining it all is not only confusing but also very arguable. Hence, a simple title, like regional, bypasses that ambiguity and is offered in contrast to secondary in terms of, for example, Malpensa and Bergamo. Moreover, the vast majority of the airports Ryanair serves are regional - and regional primary using your definition - like those in the list above.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Girona (Costa del Sol))

Excuse-me but Girona is Costa Brava, not Costa del Sol!!!!!!



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4514 times:

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 17):
Excuse-me but Girona is Costa Brava, not Costa del Sol!!!!!!

Thanks. Glad I got those awful places confused.  Big grin



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

Malmo could be a secondary airport for Copenhagen.

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
Please tell me the alternatives which make them secondary.

Please tell me, how do *you* define the difference between regional and secondary?

Why is CRL secondary, not regional?
Why is GRO secondary, not regional?
Why is Eindhoven regional, not secondary?
Why is Turin regional, not secondary?

I don't have the answer, I don't even have a clear opinion. But I try to define the difference. Everybody has an idea why the one is secondary, but the other is regional. I try to find what is behind these decisions. So I just wonder how you distinguish.


User currently offlineBhxfaotipyyc From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

Quoting Teva (Reply 2):
Pearson, the reason peple consider they fly to secondary airports is just the misleadng way FR sells those destinations.
Beauvais is not Paris.
In the past, they sold Carcassonne as Toulouse.
The day they call an airport by its name, people will look at them in a more positive way.

The thing is that people don't always pay attention, or in some cases don't fully realise where they are actually going. I had a client in this week who's mother had booked herself to Glasgow on FR to attend a funeral because it was the cheapest option. She left the airport, got in a taxi and within 5 minutes had to call her son in GLA because the taxi driver had never heard of the crematorium in question. The son started giving the driver directions, at which point he said they where in PIK not GLA 35 miles away! Needless to say, any savings she made flying into PIK disappeared in her taxi fare.

I noted recently that FAO has been renamed Faro/Huelva on the FR site. Huelva is 110km from Faro, and I really do not think it is entirely fair to sell Faro as Huelva.

Whether you like or hate them, the likes of FR and U2 have forced down fares across Europe, much to benefit of the consumer. IB (Air Nostrum) has a summer service MAD FAO and last year the lowest fare was Eur 328.00 + tax return (one was was more expensive!) assuming you stayed a Saturday night. FR now operates the route, with a lead in fare of Eur 0.01 + tax. Even though you get free food and drink on Air Nostrum, that's one expensive meal!



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User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1982 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

Meh, I want to fly from Glasgow to Paris. Not from Ayr to Beauvais.

Gaz



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 3):
That's is where it lacks understanding at RyanAir ... Ryan might save 5€ per passenger by flying to REU instead of BCN. But the passenger has to pay at least 15€ to get from Reus to Barcelona.

And what if the passengers actually want to go to a vacation home in Reus? Not everybody normally traveling to BCN wants to go to Las Ramblas. Just like for GRO, there are many resorts on the Costa Brava that attract many passengers; GRO is more convenient.

Next month I'll be off for Calella, and I'll fly NRN-GRO. It is cheaper than DUS-BCN or AMS-BCN, but it's also by far more convenient. From GRO to Calella is only a 30 minute drive, from BCN it takes more than an hour...


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 10):
I'm not going to argue with you, as it will be pointless because you're so blinded by your ryanair admiration

If Pe@rson believes in FR, or admires them as you say, then he has the right to put forward arguments as after all this is a website of free speech and it would be boring if everyone had the same opinion. I also admire FR and even have more admiration for MOL. As I have repeatedly stated, not every one wants to go to the primary airport for a city - give me LGW any day over LHR.

Yes people on this site (and many others) have a dislike for FR but in many cases it is because they are jealous of FR's success. Just think of it, would Lord King (who was BA Chairman in the 1970s and early 1980s) had thought during his reign that the day would come when BA might be concerned about the moves of that then small Irish airline that was near bankruptcy? I abhor VS and everything they stand for from my personal experiences with them, yet there are many others who think it is the best airline in the world.

And on the topic of FR, there was an almighty rumpus when they were criticised for advertising fares of GB 0.99 and not quoting the taxes etc that pushed this up to nearer GBP 50. How come Air Asia can get away with advertising fares between the UK and Malaya for GBP 9.99 when, with taxes etc, they are really GBP 100?



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 20):
And on the topic of FR, there was an almighty rumpus when they were criticised for advertising fares of GB 0.99 and not quoting the taxes etc that pushed this up to nearer GBP 50.

Same situation here in the Netherlands. Everybody moans on FR, although the prices on their website banners are all taxes included. Up till several weeks, all prices on the frontpage where tax included, but now they have it ex tax again.

Anyhow, KLM fails to mention taxes too. Ryanair at least states "Fares are exclusive of taxes fees & charges which do not exceed �23.50" in the same window. KLM advertises London for EUR 59, also on huge billboards everywhere in the country -> you end up paying EUR 189 as the minimum fare. Now, that's no problem.


User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 751 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 3):
hat's is where it lacks understanding at RyanAir ... Ryan might save 5€ per passenger by flying to REU instead of BCN. But the passenger has to pay at least 15€ to get from Reus to Barcelona. How is that fair? It really reminds me of an (attempted) scam that happened to me two years ago in Southeast Asia. I took an overnight bus from Hue in Vietnam to Savannakhet in Laos. 5km short of Savannahket the bus stopped, the driver said "End of line line" and left us prey to some motorbike drivers who offered a ride to Savannakhet for rip-off prices.

I was on a holiday with my cousin's from Italy last year to the Costa Brava. They made all the arrangements and I wouldnt have chosen FR if I was in charge of the plans. Anyway they booked the early morning flight from back to Rome from Girona. Since there was no ground transport at 4am from where we were to GRO, (but there was to BCN 24/7) we had to bus it the NIGHT before. Being the southern Italians that they are my cousins opted for the economical option of sleeping on the floor of airport. Since I didnt want to be a party pooper, I figured I stay with them. After a couple of hours of laying on a towel with my luggage as my pillow and listening to that annoying automated airport announcer, I came to my senses and fled to airport hotel acorss the road and spent 60 Euros for a comofortable 6 hours of sleep. So a cheaper FR flight cost me an extra 60 Euros for hotel accomodations and a near miss of an sore back. Vueling from BCN is far more appealing!


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

Hope FR doesn't start to fly to Switzerland anytime soon !


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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 23):
Hope FR doesn't start to fly to Switzerland anytime soon !

I don't understand that. Why not? You're not obliged to fly them or whatsoever?

Quoting Nycfly75 (Reply 22):

But is that Ryanairs fault? Your cousins opted for a very early flight. Nobody is stating that Ryanair is the best option for any travel plan there is. Not at all. But in many occasions, it might be handy. In my case here, I want to rent a car anyways. When I wouldn't have had my driving license, I'd fly to BCN too. When I just want to visit Barcelona, I fly to Barcelona. There is a product for every need.


25 Post contains images EZYAirbus : Haha thanks for the laugh! Welcome to my RU list! Glenn
26 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Cheers
27 SLCUT2777 : With all of this discussion about FR and the airports they serve in the EU, how does this all compare with the strategy WN uses over here in the US? W
28 RJ100 : Excellent post Pe@rson. I would even consider some airports as main airports such as Bergamo. The airport in fact is for many Milanese people closer t
29 Post contains images Planesarecool : What obvious reasons? Because they're jealous of it's success? Because they're annoyed that less well off people now have the chance to fly? Because
30 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Nice try, but with CHF200 Million net win, LX won't have anything to fear. Actually, they'd be much better off if they gave up BSL completely. And wh
31 RJ100 : Not only LX would be better off but also BSL. Never forget that. I am bitching at you because you support an airline that literally gave up flying to
32 ZRHnerd : And again, i disagree on most points, but this is indeed not the thread to continue this discussion.
33 RyanairCRL : and for CIA being the secondary airport of Rome, well it's actually closer to Rome than FCO. GRO : I used to operate out of CRL and i can assure you
34 Post contains images PHKLM : As much as people are biased 'anti-FR' you are now displaying a good deal of ignorance towards KL. I definately agree you cannot fly AMS-LHR for 59 e
35 Post contains images Joost : That's quite a harse statement. For the prices, they add 116,15 to the price. I see they currently have a EUR 49 base fare for LHR, that must be new;
36 Post contains images PHKLM : Alright that is fair. I see they just added 7€ of additional taxes since yesterday because the flights I've been looking into are now more expensiv
37 Post contains images Gkirk : He doesn't want to fly BA via BHX/MAN or LHR either No nonstop flights between GLA and CDG But yes, he and the other Weegies yshould fly PIK-BVA
38 Joost : I know it's policy, but (already 2 years ago) at CIA it was usual business. No kidding, some people in front of my we way to much l I often check DUS,
39 Post contains images PHKLM : Sorry folks I did not intend to curse here. Too late to edit now but I'm sorry.
40 Gemuser : I honestly thought that this was the case! Because of the short runway at Florance and the fact that Pisa airport has direct service into SMN station
41 G4resagent : I honestly don't know why so many people on here hate Ryanair. Why do you hate them so much? Seriously, it gets kind of old. This isn't the airline in
42 USADreamliner : Ryanair calls Hahn "FRANKFURT" and Reus and Gerona "BARCELONA", that's where the problem is.
43 G4resagent : Allegiant calls PIE Tampa and SFB Orlando-Sanford. What is so wrong with that?[Edited 2007-01-07 05:48:24]
44 Joost : The owner of the airport calls it "Frankfurt Hahn Airport". Ironically, it is owned by Fraport, the same company that also owns FRA. Ryanair does sta
45 Post contains links PHKLM : Sorry, but check Google Maps yourself. PIE is 17 miles away from Tampa downtown, SFB is 22 miles away from Orlando downtown. GRO is 111 km (90 miles)
46 757lgw : I must say i love ryanair and i fly them a few times a month, i dont understand quite why people hate them so much, ok they fly to airports such as "g
47 Post contains images RyanairCRL : i like that wrong => So you're blaming FR because its passengers can't look up where the airport they're using actually is? is it FR's fault if when
48 GLAGAZ : Gkirk is quite right. I want to fly non-stop between GLA and CDG. But sadly it is hard for BAA to attract airlines to the route due to FR at PIK. The
49 EFHK : I think this thread has missed the point completely, unless the intention was to have an endless argument on whether airports X,Y and Z are regional o
50 StationManager : Well, Murcia , Santander and Vitoria are secondary too. Murcia of ALC , the other two of BIO. Major airports in Spain: MAD new base BCN not served, t
51 Sketty222 : Tropez; and B.A. did serve it. Out of interest when did BA stop seving Tropez? Lee
52 AC747 : Question : What happens if you want to fly from DUB to, say, Pula. You look up who flies the route and discover it's FR. Only problem is, you don't li
53 StationManager : FR does not serve ALC or PMI. EI started to fly to ALC many years ago, before FR became low cost, and to ORK before than to MAD. AGP, the same, EI is
54 BDRules : Why arguably a secondary airport???? serves nearly 5 million passengers per year????? EMA is a major airport in the grand scheme of things and the 3r
55 AC747 : I know. My point being that we possibly would not have these routes at all without FR's influence on the market. FR changed our travelling mentality
56 RootsAir : I second you with that one. I am proud of EasyJet and how they have revitalised GVA and BSL. Its a good airline and I'll always pick them up against
57 Joost : From time to time, (although I haven't heard them in the last couple of months) rumours come around suggesting that FR might want to start flying into
58 BrianDromey : Underdog? Tell me you're having a laugh. There the biggest European airline by quite a few measures, and certainly bigger than BA. They bully other c
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