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Legroom on Southwest Airlines  
User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

I just took a flight on WN and the legroom on their planes is great. I compared that to airlines such as AA and CO but they don't even come close. I was able to stretch my legs out under the seat in front of me and it was very comfortable. I just wanted to give WN props for such a great airline and product for that matter. These days they provide more than legacies.

Slovacek747

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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Thread starter):
These days they provide more than legacies.

US's Airbus fleet (on non-HP ones only) have the same amount of legroom as WN's. Both have 32'' of pitch(room between seats.


User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

I haven't been on US.. I'm just speaking for the airlines I have been on and even if you dismiss that I'm commenting on the great leg room they have. It could be attributed to lack of IFE and the boxes under the seats but it was extremely comfortable.

Slovacek747


User currently offlineMjlhou From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

From what I can tell, our engeneering/mx folks at WN have come up with a seat that curves in a little more curve at the base of the back than the average seat at the legacy carriers. This seat not only offers some good lower back support for a Y-class seat, but also offers on average an extra inch of pitch or legroom compared to most other carriers as well. I've had many passengers onboard who have asked or commented about this.

Cheers

MJL



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User currently offlineChinaClipper40 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 159 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

I don't know how they do it, but Southwest's legroom is significantly better than economy class on virtually any other domestic U.S. carrier. I've never taken out a tape-rule and gotten an objective measure, but the subjective feeling of legroom on Southwest is, in my opinion, on a par with what one gets from UA in their economy-plus sections. It is a significant factor in my choosing Southwest for leisure travel even when fares are identical to other carriers.

ChinaClipper40


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

Southwest does have good seat pitch, particularly for a 'cheap' airline.
But I should point out to you that Continental flies the same seat pitch on their 757-300s, and both the 767-200s and 767-400s.

Lack of IFE boxes certainly is a nice thing... except that then you don't have IFE. So take your pick- comfy feet or IFE!


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

One other thing:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Thread starter):
These days they provide more than legacies.

Uh, no. Southwest? No IFE. Ever. Of any type. Continental? All types except 733/735 have audio and visual, with PTVs on widebodies and soon AVOD on 752s and 738s... even in coach for the 752s.
Southwest? Snack packs on flights of three hours or more. Continental? Meals at meal times.
Frequent flier benefits? Southwest, well, those points expire awful quick. Continental? Three years, I believe. Which is great for the occasional flyer.
Elite perks? Heh, right.

So, in conclusion, NO, Southwest does not beat the majors these, or any other, days.

Further, one of the reasons their seats seem to have so much legroom is that the seat bottom cushion is SHORTER. Look at some photos- you'll see what I mean.
I appreciate and admire Southwest, and have certainly flown them several times, but I am not under false impression.


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
So, in conclusion, NO, Southwest does not beat the majors these, or any other, days.

You just compared them to CO, but if you compare them to AA, NW, or DL, WN does offer more in the way of snacks. WN will probably never have AVOD or anything of the sort, but that is OK (for me anyway).


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 960 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

WN has said on several occasions that they will consider IFE when it becomes important to their business model. For the time being, WN will not install IFE because:

- Current systems are still heavy and bulky
- Instillation would require a great deal of fleet downtime
- Customers don't yet demand it significantly on WN's short hops

IFE is continuing to get cheaper, lighter, and smaller, and WN is moving to longer stage lengths. In due time, it is very possible that WN may fit IFE. The "never ever" statements above are some of the dumbest statements I've heard.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 960 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
Further, one of the reasons their seats seem to have so much legroom is that the seat bottom cushion is SHORTER.

WN seems to have more legroom than many carriers because they DO. I'm not making an opinionated statement: pitch is a measurable quantity.

Pitch is a measure of legroom, not cushion size. Smaller seat cushions would not affect pitch as its measured from the back of one seat to the front of the next seat.


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

The seat pitch on WN is 33", not 32"


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User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

Last summer I went MCO-PIT-MCO. On the flight up I took US and was on a 737-400. It was packed and the pitch was what has become normal US economy - 31 inches. Service was minimal at best.

The flight back was on WN because of scheduling. Notwithstanding the fact that the plane was 2 1/2 hours late, it was far more pleasant. The pitch was noticeably greater (like 33 inches) and the seats themselves were far better as they were leather covered. The service was also far friendlier from WN.

There are reasons why Southwest is so successful and they're not hard to find when you fly them.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando

P.S. - Someone mentioned that CO had enhanced pitch in coach. Unless something's changed recently, they are 31 inches throughout coach. On the boarding video they had a few years back, ol' Gordon himself said "you may notice that our seats are a little closer together than on some other airlines." This was at the time AA was featuring more room throughout coach and CO maintained that they had done surveys and people prefered not having someone in the middle seat to more legroom. Nothing against CO, they're great (FF miles don't expire, as far as I know), but legroom is one area where they fall short.



Too many types flown to list
User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
So, in conclusion, NO, Southwest does not beat the majors these, or any other, days.

Profitable. Young fleet. High frequency of service. Multiple routings to solve issues of maintenance failures, cancellations, wx delays, etc. Good attitude of associates due in part to industry leading salaries and benefits.

Southwest wins. Hands down.



"Nuts to the man in 21D!"
User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

I flew on an AA MD80 in the fall of 05 then I flew WN for the first time in March of 2006 and I noticed the difference in leg room significantly! The flight I just took to Vegas this past weekend was very comfortable. I stretched out a little bit.

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

Southwest's seat pitch is actually closer to 32.5" on most of their planes according to their Customer Service Commitment (PDF File)

More Leg Room

We would like to dispel the myth that our airline is, perhaps, cramming more seats into our airplanes. Southwest is actually working hard to provide you with more room in each edition of the 737 that we have ordered. Your comfort is of the utmost importance to us.

That is why, when we designed our aircraft interiors, we worked hard at maintaining a comfortable distance or pitch between your seat and the seat in front of you. The chart below shows the number of seats in each Boeing 737 model we fly as compared to the number of seats that airplane would hold if we were less concerned with your comfort. It will also give you an idea of what you can expect in terms of legroom.

Model/Avg. Capacity/WN capacity/Pitch

737-700 - 149 -137 - 32.57

737-500 - 132 - 122 - 32.18

737-300 - 149 - 137 - 32.55

It's comfortable, for me anyway.

LoneStarMike

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