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US Airlines Flying 737/320 In Asia .  
User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Hello,

I´ve returned from my trip to NGO , if you want to read the trip report you´re welcome : Frankfurt-Nagoya Economy And Bussines ... 59 Pics! (by LHStarAlliance Jan 6 2007 in Trip Reports)

There in NGO I saw a continental 737 taking off and Ive seen many Pics of 737/320 in Asia , why are they there ?

Was it maybe Continental Micronesia ?

Because flying a 737 from the US to Japan is a bit far ...

Konstantin

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Was it maybe Continental Micronesia ?

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29696 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3025 times:
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CO flies them around Micronesia and I believe NW flies A320s around North Asia, as well.

User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
CO flies them around Micronesia and I believe NW flies A320s around North Asia, as well.

Why do they have the rights to do this flights?


User currently offlineAsuflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

There are no more NW 320's in Asia they were replaced by the 757.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

where are the crews for the CO and NW intra-Asia flights based? I presume CO Mike has a GUM base but I can't imagine that NW has any narrowbody pilots based out of the US? Do they deadhead them from the US?

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1070 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
I believe NW flies A320s around North Asia

Actually, NW no longer has A320’s based in Asia, they have now replaced them with Boeing 757-200’s.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 3):
Why do they have the rights to do this flights?

Northwest Airlines has broad fifth freedom rights beyond Japan. They are permitted to fly from the USA to Japan, and then on to another point carrying local Japanese passengers as well as those originating in the USA. A change of equipment is allowed, so Northwest chooses to base some 757’s in Asia and use them for flights from Tokyo to Guangzhou, Busan and Nagoya. These 757’s also operate NW’s flights from Osaka and Nagoya to Guam and Saipan.

One other US carrier also has these rights - United Airlines. However, they operate all services beyond Japan with the same (wide-body) equipment that flew the USA-Japan flight. When the treaty was signed, in return, JAL was given broad beyond USA rights, which they currently use for their Tokyo-New York JFK-Sao Paulo route.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1070 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 5):
where are the crews for the CO and NW intra-Asia flights based? I presume CO Mike has a GUM base but I can't imagine that NW has any narrowbody pilots based out of the US? Do they deadhead them from the US?

Yes, the pilots are US based.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

We have CS flying twice a day with 737s to GUM and once a day to HNL with a 767.

NW used to fly A320s out of NRT but not they are 757s.
NW flies 757s on...
NRT-CAN
NRT-NGO-SPN
NGO-GUM
I think they fly one or two out of KIX as well goign to SPN or GUM.

If you noticed, there are tons of 737s at NGO. KE, NH, OZ, and CA all fly them in and out of NGO.

Here is a complete time table of all departures and arrivals from NGO ALl NGO Flights (EXCEL 176kb)

Also glad you liked your visit to NGO. Hope you come back again sometime soon.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1070 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 8):
NW used to fly A320s out of NRT but not they are 757s.
NW flies 757s on...
NRT-CAN
NRT-NGO-SPN
NGO-GUM
I think they fly one or two out of KIX as well goign to SPN or GUM.

They also fly 757's on NRT-PUS (Busan, South Korea)



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 9):
They also fly 757's on NRT-PUS (Busan, South Korea)

I couldn't remember if this was a 757 or A330. Thanks.

You know there are not a lot of 757s flying around Japan. I think NW is the only one. Does anyone else fly 757s to Japan or in Japan?



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1070 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 10):
You know there are not a lot of 757s flying around Japan. I think NW is the only one. Does anyone else fly 757s to Japan or in Japan?

You are right, there are hardly any 757’s at all flying in/to Japan.

IIRC, Air China uses the 757 on one or two of their Tokyo to Beijing flights and Shanghai Airlines uses the 757 on their Osaka to Shanghai route. These are the only ones I can think of besides NW. I never realised there were so few.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 3):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
CO flies them around Micronesia and I believe NW flies A320s around North Asia, as well.

Why do they have the rights to do this flights?

Since Guam is a US territory, CO Micronesia has long had rights as a US carrier to operate between GUM (and HNL) and points in Japan and other countries in Asia. Those are 3rd/4th freedom traffic rights for CO. As has already been mentioned, NW's services beyond Japan are 5th freedom (except 3rd/4th freedom like CO between Japan and GUM).

I would expect NW's and UA's extensive 5th freedom authority beyond Japan which they have had since the end of WWII (in UA's case inherited from Pan Am when UA bought PA's Pacific routes) must be the most valuable 5th freedom rights anywhere in the world.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7952 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Air China also brings the seven five into NGO

http://www.pbase.com/cityflyer/image/69235332/original.jpg

an Air Mike 738 at NGO

http://www.pbase.com/cityflyer/image/72482793/original.jpg

NW 752 on her way to Saipan

http://www.pbase.com/cityflyer/image/72482787/original.jpg



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 13):
Air China also brings the seven five into NGO

woooo... never seen a CA 757 at NGO in the afternoon. Usually this is a 737 isn't it? Must be an upgrade for their PEK via Qingdao service.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7952 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

It may be seasonal because I caught her back in October.


If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 13):
NW 752

I also saw a 757 of NW in NGO ...


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7952 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

As Centrair noted, NW 757s are no stranger to NGO. From NGO they fly to GUM, SPN and NRT.


If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2912 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Pan Am based some 727s when they operated in the region but UA doesn't take same approach as PA or NW.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 10):
Does anyone else fly 757s to Japan or in Japan?

China Southern sends 757s on the CAN-KIX/NRT route when loads are too light for its 777s.
Royal Nepal operates twice weekly 757 service on the Kathmandu-(PVG)-KIX route. PVG is just a fuel stop.
Omni has seasonal charters and ATA has military charters. That's about it.


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