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Delta At DFW And AA At LGA  
User currently offlineTrijetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6513 times:
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hey all,
just wondering what DL's doing at DFW these days, what they're flying in there and routes. What did they take out of DFW?

And with AA is LGA considered a hub? I was looking at flightaware and it said that Eagle Fligbt operates CLE-LGA, I was confused. Thanks for the help!


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6499 times:

Quoting TrijetFan1 (Thread starter):
And with AA is LGA considered a hub?

AA does no consider LGA (or any other New York City-area airport) a hub. However, between mainline and Eagle, they do have a signifcant operation. I am certain someone with the patience and time on their hands will lisy all of the routes.


User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6424 times:

Quoting TrijetFan1 (Thread starter):
just wondering what DL's doing at DFW these days, what they're flying in there and routes. What did they take out of DFW?

DFW is just a regular spoke in the DL network now. DL has mainline service to ATL and SLC, and DL Connection service to CVG and LGA, and I think they still have a flight out to MCO. That's it.


User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

Delta took a chainsaw to DFW. It is so sad. And the Aanti-Christ keeps getting bigger and bigger...............

Thank goodness the Wright Amendment is going away or we'd all be paying outrageous airfares like the good folks up in CVG do.  Smile


User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Quoting TrijetFan1 (Thread starter):
And with AA is LGA considered a hub? I was looking at flightaware and it said that Eagle Fligbt operates CLE-LGA, I was confused. Thanks for the help!

LGA, JFK are concidered focus cities for AA... not hubs... yes, they do offer significant p2p and connecting opportunites but not the same as ORD, DFW or MIA...

Quoting TrijetFan1 (Thread starter):
just wondering what DL's doing at DFW these days, what they're flying in there and routes. What did they take out of DFW?

umm... not much... alot of DLX flights, Mainline still to SLC and ATL, but that's about it... I'd call it a small focus city, probably similar to CMH or BDL... there is a crown room and they still have their share of gates on the E concourse... probably more than they need...



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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 4):
umm... not much... alot of DLX flights, Mainline still to SLC and ATL, but that's about it... I'd call it a small focus city, probably similar to CMH or BDL... there is a crown room and they still have their share of gates on the E concourse... probably more than they need...

DFW is in no way any kind of a focus city for DL. DL's flights from DFW are as follows:

10x ATL (1 on DLC)
4x CVG (all on DLC)
5x SLC (3 on DLC)
3x LGA (all on DLC)
1x MCO (all on DLC)

That's 23 daily flights, only 11 of which are DL mainline.


User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6330 times:

Quoting TrijetFan1 (Thread starter):
just wondering what DL's doing at DFW these days?

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Quoting TrijetFan1 (Thread starter):
And with AA is LGA considered a hub?

LGA is a focus city for AA, not a hub.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 5):
DFW is in no way any kind of a focus city for DL. DL's flights from DFW are as follows:

10x ATL (1 on DLC)
4x CVG (all on DLC)
5x SLC (3 on DLC)
3x LGA (all on DLC)
1x MCO (all on DLC)

That's 23 daily flights, only 11 of which are DL mainline.

DFW-JFK warrants at least a daily E70 to connect to the International bank. Same with IAH. I wonder if they'll add either anytime soon?


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6194 times:

Quoting JayDavis (Reply 3):
Thank goodness the Wright Amendment is going away

Keep drinking that kool-aid...
Limiting Love Field to 20 gates permanently, and demolishing two MORE concourses is not 'eliminating' the wright amendment. Which is unfortunate, because without DL at DFW, AA just keeps getting stronger.

Oh well, what ya gonna do?


User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 731 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6027 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
Same with IAH

Delta do this route??? Nah... this route is COVERED... it is flown by AA DFW-IAH & DFW-HOU (eagle), CO DFW-IAH (mainline & xjt mix) & DAL-IAH (expressjet), and WN DAL-HOU....

While it is a very popular market... I personally think there is enough metal being flung between these two cities that DL could find other markets to tap out of DFW if they just wanted another route that DL could make more profit on.

-Chris



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
Which is unfortunate, because without DL at DFW, AA just keeps getting stronger.

Which is why I think DL will do well to add 2X daily DFW-BOS and DFW-LAX. DL historically did well on these two routes into and out of DFW. Equipment could be B-757-200s or B-737-800s. Both would feed DL's strong international service out of BOS and LAX.

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 6):
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DL995 757 123457
DL1740 738 123457
DL1696 M88 DAILY
DL1078 752 DAILY
DL1544 M88 DAILY
DL1186 757 DAILY
DL1110 757 123457
DL1447 M88 123457
******ATL-DFW******
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DL1117 752 DAILY
DL1727 M88 DAILY
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DL has occasionally substituded B-767-300s for the B-757s. We see a few B-757s here still in the Song livery, so my guess is the B-763s are used while the B-752s are reconfiguered.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5998 times:

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 9):
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
Same with IAH

Delta do this route??? Nah... this route is COVERED... it is flown by AA DFW-IAH & DFW-HOU (eagle), CO DFW-IAH (mainline & xjt mix) & DAL-IAH (expressjet), and WN DAL-HOU....

RwSea was talking about IAH-JFK...


User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5893 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Which is why I think DL will do well to add 2X daily DFW-BOS and DFW-LAX. DL historically did well on these two routes into and out of DFW. Equipment could be B-757-200s or B-737-800s. Both would feed DL's strong international service out of BOS and LAX.

What "strong international service" out of BOS? To BDA and a few cities in Canada?

I agree about an LAX flight though. Strong O/D numbers, plus the ability to feed DL's fastest growing focus city.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 12):
What "strong international service" out of BOS?

And what "strong international service" out of LAX that DFW passengers could connect (let alone backtrack) to? The ASA RJ's to Mexico? The once weekly flight to LIR? GUA?

LAX, BOS-DFW could be operated successfully by DL on O&D alone, but let's not stretch the imagination by saying there's enough to provide even minimial international feed at these two gateways. It is what it is.


User currently offlineSpruceMoose From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Both would feed DL's strong international service out of BOS and LAX.

Did you mean JFK and LAX?

-SpruceMoose



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User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

I was thinking Delta at DFW and AA at ATL would have been a better topic.


DCA
User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

AA at LGA:
ATL mainline
BGR Eagle
BOS Eagle
CLT Eagle
ORD mainline
CLE Eagle
CMH Eagle
DFW mainline
DSM Eagle
DTW Eagle
XNA Eagle
FLL mainline
GRR Eagle
YHZ Eagle
JAX Eagle
MSN Eagle
MIA mainline
BNA mainline
MSY mainline
MCO mainline
PIT Eagle
RDU Eagle
STL mainline
TPA mainline
YYZ mainline
EGE mainline
DCA Eagle
PBI mainline

Quite the focus city going at LGA.
Some of the "mainline" cities are mixed mainline-Eagle.


User currently offlineAA777LVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Any idea what's going on with DL's maintenance hanger at DFW? Do they still use it? If not, does anyone know if AA plans on acquiring?

-AA777LVR


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
RwSea was talking about IAH-JFK...

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Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 9):
While it is a very popular market... I personally think there is enough metal being flung between these two cities that DL could find other markets to tap out of DFW if they just wanted another route that DL could make more profit on.

See above. I think DL should add JFK-DFW and JFK-IAH. The JFK hub continues to grow, and these are critical links.


User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4615 times:

AA737-823,

Excuse me ?? Have you not read the papers? Congress approved abolishing the Wright Amendment last year.

Now about the 20 gates at DAL, that is still up in the air..........You still have the Legend Terminal to deal with and believe me, that isn't going to be demolished without a HUGE fight from the property owners. They "almost" had Pinnacle Airlines getting ready to start service there. The Wright Amendment IS going away so I do look for Southwest Airlines to start offering more long-haul stuff from DAL once it goes away. We might not have as many flights to LBB, MAF, AMA or AUS, but trust me, WN is going to expand their cities from DAL, no doubt about it.

If not, why in the heck do you think AA (the AAnti-Christ !!) put up such a fit about keeping the Wright Amendment in place ??? They did NOT want the low fare competition that WN is going to give them.

PISS ON AA !! They helped to put BN, Vanguard and Legend out of business. They are EVIL !!

Plus, their service sucks as well.  Smile


p.s. The Southwest Kool-Aid is the best !!


User currently offlineTrijetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4566 times:
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I never understood why AA pulled mainline out of CLE. Esp. on the CLE-DFW route.


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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

Quoting TrijetFan1 (Reply 20):
I never understood why AA pulled mainline out of CLE. Esp. on the CLE-DFW route.

neither do I, but I think it had to do with how fast the station was bleading money... granted it was nothing that anyone at the station could do about it... because of the TWA merger AA had close to the whole A concourse under lease, I think A1-A6, and all the real estate under it... it was costing a fourtune.... granted they subleased some of it out but not much... I guess it just looked better on the books to close and write it all off as a loss, with some income from MQ subleasing from AA, but really they didn't save that much...



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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 731 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

RwSea... sorry about the misunderstanding... I follow what you are talking about now..

-Chris



"Sonny, did we land? or were we shot down?"
User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Quoting AA777LVR (Reply 17):
Any idea what's going on with DL's maintenance hanger at DFW? Do they still use it? If not, does anyone know if AA plans on acquiring?

Not a thing! There have been a few rumors. One was that UPS was going to use it as a sort facility and the other I know about was American Eagle using it as there new MTX and HDQ base, but that apparently fell through when DFW offered a ridiculous lease rate.

Maybe someone else has more info.



DCA
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 18):
See above. I think DL should add JFK-DFW and JFK-IAH. The JFK hub continues to grow, and these are critical links.

The question is, do they want to compete with Skyteam partner CO , both directly and indirectly on IAH-JFK? (Yes, I know airlines still compete within alliances and the alliances aren't all "one big happy family", but it still has to be considered) Also, travelers in the Houston area could get a direct flight from IAH to LGW, CDG, and AMS on Continental (with Skyteam connections in AMS and CDG), plus destinations from other airlines serving IAH. IMHO, Delta would be better off just routing passengers who want to travel to European cities not served by Continental (or those cities not served by DL out of ATL) IAH-JFK on CO and then DL across the pond.
That's the opinion of a 19 year old college student. Feel free to have at it.  

[Edited 2007-01-08 07:01:08]

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