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Who Remembers Sabena?  
User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2027 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

I have a funny experience to share...

Today I was at DEN purchasing a ticket on SA)">CO.

I looked up at the arrivals screens out of curiosity. Anyway, as most of you know, not only do the airlines list their own arriving flights, but they also list the SAME flight several times from the same city, but with different flight numbers representing their codeshare partners, which are also named.

As I looked at the screen, I noticed an AA flight from ORD. Right below it, it listed the same flight but the carrier was Iberia, and a flight number of 8 thousand something. Right below that, it actually had another codeshare version of the same flight, but this time, the airline was listed as SABENA, and the flight number was 7 thousand something.

Do they mean SN Brussels? Or is the person maintaining that data unaware that Sabena is no longer around???

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Who remembers....?? It's only been a few years.....


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Quoting Klwright69 (Thread starter):
I noticed an AA flight from ORD.



Quoting Klwright69 (Thread starter):
the airline was listed as SABENA,

Sometimes American is slow getting the news. Perhaps by 2015 they will realize that Sabena, then SN Brussels, is now known as Brussels Airlines.


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

I remember Sabena...I flew them DFW-BRU-GVA in 2001.


Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25125 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

Brussels Airlines (formerly SN Brussels) codeshare on AA flights between BRU and the US, so it must have been that flight number, but with the obsolete name that probably still appears in the airport information system database.

Reminds me of a couple of my flights on the "real" Sabena ORD-BRU in the 1980s sometime, using DC-10-30 combis with cargo in the forward cabin.


User currently offlineElagabal From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

I also remember Sabena, having ridden JFK - MAN with them. Pleasant and memorable flights for me, with the trilingual newspapers and good food.

On one of the long-hauls, in transit at BRU and during boarding, I did witness unequal and unjustified treatment of passengers based (so it seemed) on colour and national origin. A Nigerian lady -- yes, I know, but her papers were completely in order; I know because I saw them gone over thoroughly at check-in -- was given a brusque and officious welcome, having her papers unnecessesarily rifled over and over again. This was pre-9/11, mind. She was very nice to me, so it wasn't from her end either. Although, one should not hang a few crew members' sins on an entire airline...

I know their business plan was just absurd, but one can always feel regret. RIP Sabena.

How's SN Brussels? Haven't flown 'em yet.


User currently offlineJeremy From United States of America, joined May 2001, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

Of course!
They were my first flight on a foreign carrier.
BOS-BRU-BOS on an A-310-300 back in June of 1993.



You are now free to be sexually harassed and then terminated for filing a complaint--Southwest Airlines to me.
User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

The person maintaining the data probably thinks these are current ads for Sabena.







LoneStarMike


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
Sometimes American is slow getting the news.

Sometimes..? you are too kind. LOL


User currently offlineChinaClipper40 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 169 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

I remember Sabena with fondness. Never had a bad flight with them. They always seemed to go above and beyond the normal call of duty when it came to passenger service. Once I was flying JFK-BRU-BCN and my then 12 year old son was flying unaccompanied from Madrid to Barcelona to meet me. On departure from JFK, we got caught by weather conditions and a LONG waiting queue for takeoff. In fact, we were more than 4 hours late departing JFK. I mentioned to a flight attendant that I was worried about the late departure because it would certainly cause me to miss my connection in BRU, be very delayed getting into BCN, and my unaccompanied minor child would be left to fend for himself in an unfamiliar European city. She relayed that information to the flight deck. And something quite remarkable happened. Although I had not requested it, the flight deck crew relayed the information to company headquarters in Brussels, who in turn relayed it to their offices in Madrid. The Sabena people in Madrid then went to the effort of tracking down my son at his Madrid hotel, telling him I would be late, arranging for him to be permitted a late checkout from his Madrid hotel, and arranging for him to take a different flight (on a different airline into the bargain - Iberia) that would get him into BCN at an appropriate time to mesh with my own arrival. I honestly don't believe I've ever experienced finer service from any airline. I miss Sabena. They may have had a poor business plan, and may have lost money. But they sure knew how to make a worried father comfortable. How many other airlines would go to those lengths?

ChinaClipper40


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2027 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

I flew SABENA to Turkey in 1989, so I certainly remember them..

The "who remembers SABENA" title was meant to be kind of a joke, I know it wasn't that long ago.

My point was that most people in DEN seeing this have probably never heard of SABENA, let alone know it no longer exists.


User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 571 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

The monitors throughout the airport at DEN are maintained by the City of Denver.

User currently offlineShanderawx From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3617 times:
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Sabena scared the breakfast out of me in Brussels one morning, about 1992,
in the early fall. We took off onto NY in a widebody (747?) and as we reached the end of the runway came to a sudden stop; ok, the pilot turned
the plane around and tried again, but did the same thing a second
time, suddenly stopping before taking off. This time he went back
to the terminal, we sat for maybe 30 minutes, and then took off ok,
no explanations overhead were ever given!


User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

The airline of Sabena is an aviation "legend." They are as infamous as BA, KL, and LH. It's too bad there was a collapse, but as for the information on the screen..

Quoting Klwright69 (Thread starter):
Or is the person maintaining that data unaware that Sabena is no longer around???

...probably just stoned.  Big grin



Whoever said winning is not everything never fought cancer.
User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

..didn't SN Brussels plan to rename the airline Sabena, after the late airline?


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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3577 times:
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Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 14):
..didn't SN Brussels plan to rename the airline Sabena, after the late airline?

No. There were rumors floating around that they might, but the owners of SN Brussels Airlines decided against using the name Sabena again, one of the reasons being the cost. The "old" Sabena is still being liquidated and anyone who would want to use the name has to buy or license it from the bankruptcy administrator

As for Sabena, I remember the people fondly. My first (desk) job was for a division of Sabena.



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User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 15):

No. There were rumors floating around that they might, but the owners of SN Brussels Airlines decided against using the name Sabena again, one of the reasons being the cost. The "old" Sabena is still being liquidated and anyone who would want to use the name has to buy or license it from the bankruptcy administrator

thanks for the clear up, BlueFlyer.



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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

Hi!

Well I actually think the title for this topic is very good. It didn't pass too long but I think a lot of people already forgot SABENA and other airlines....people now think more about the "Great Battle of Boeing versus Airbus" and other 99% related topics! So this topic is a kind of fresh air to me!!!
I grew up seeing SABENA regulary at LIS, I remember very well their flights from BRU to LIS with the Caravelle VI-N, the 727-029 ( great days, really great days those ones!!! ) and then the 737. SABENA also had a flight that passed LIS on the way to Casablanca with the good old 707! Shortly before SABENA withdrew their old 707-329's I remember seeing OO-SJA at LIS maybe in 1979 or even 1980, I don't remember well. On the 24th. September 1981 I had the chance to fly for the first and only time SABENA, flying a 737-229C, OO-SDJ from BRU to CDG and I remember when I took-off seeing two 707-329's already stored there, OO-SJA and OO-SJD. Also the first time I saw a DC-10 at LIS was a SABENA one that for any reason stopped here from South America, still with the first livery, really awesome!

The good old 727!!!


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And the DC-10 with the livery I saw it here in LIS!


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User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

I saw an advertisement for Qualiflyer, the long-defunct Frequent Flyer program of Swissair, Sabena and other airlines, a couple of weeks ago in some airport (somewhere in the UK: MAN, LPL, LGW), which also reminded me of Sabena and the cheap AMS-BRU-JFK tickets they once offered.


Ryanair: never again!
User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

Those Qualiflyer brochures lingered in Swissair/Swiss offices and airport stations around the world LONG after Qualiflyer ceased to exist. I flew Sabena near the end, I remember it, but really don't want to.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

I flew Sabena in November '99 from BOS to BRU. A330-300. I remember the aircraft was very comfortable, but the service was mediocre. They kept the main cabin lights on for roughly half of the six hour flight, so it was difficult to sleep. Very smooth Airbus landing in BRU, of course. Overall it was nice to fly them since not long after they dissapeared from the skies.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26912 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

Such A Bad Experience Never Again ..... and that is how I will remember my flight with them , it was one of the worst trips I ever had !!!!

LHR-BRU-ATH-BRU-LHR all the flights were terrible.


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

Was meant to fly with them but the day before we were to go I picked up the newspaper and saw that they had collapsed. Ended up on Ryanair to Charleroi, though from what I've heard about Sabena service, especially in the last couple of years, Ryanair was generally the preferred choice.

User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):
Such A Bad Experience Never Again ..... and that is how I will remember my flight with them , it was one of the worst trips I ever had !!!!

LHR-BRU-ATH-BRU-LHR all the flights were terrible.

really? wow...everyone I talked to that have flown them (I haven't personally) liked them a lot. What was bad- the service, the room in the plane, delay?

-Ryan



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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

For me I will never get over them losing my ticket record, in their final year of operation, and it taking 3 months to fix it, with no apology ever offerred other than the excuse "we are bankrupt, what do you expect?" It was a good thing I called to check on something with the ticket ahead of time or I would have been stranded by those idiots. I literally was on conference calls with Brussels and New York ticket agents with them yelling at each other. Their onboard service was passable at best in economy, surly at worst. Since my only experiences with them are in their period of decline, I cannot attest to their better years...

25 Beaucaire : It's an absolute shame that the current managers of SN-Brussels are so focussed on code-share and European flights ! They should have ordered -or leas
26 Post contains images Sabena332 : Ah... Sabena, my all time favourite airline. I'll always remember my BRU-ATL flight on them back in June 1999, a brand new A330-200 with PTVs and an i
27 AirAmericaC46 : Anybody has the timetable featuring the world's shortest 747 route? SN 743 to Brazzaville-Kinshasa-----I need flight schedules of the entire routing,
28 Jcavinato : What was cool about them was having the only Europe-South Africa day flight. Everyone else had/has night flights. For my first trip to South Africa, i
29 Post contains images Ikramerica : Somewhere between those two ads, Sabena invented 2 new principal cities, since both times they claimed to fly to ALL of them... I remember a poor exp
30 Post contains images Airbazar : That's how I remember them too
31 AlitaliaMD11 : I remember seeing their MD-11s at EWR.
32 Post contains images ORDRyan28 : For a minute there I thought you said "I'll always remember my Brutal flight on them back in June 1999.." lol but anyway, the A330-200, along with th
33 DETA737 : As someone who has been a member here for a while, I definately remember the topics just before Sabena went under. There were lenghty debates about wh
34 OA260 : Every flight was delayed, the crew were rude and we miss connected on the return in Brussels and I was on a through ticket so they were responsible f
35 Jcavinato : I worked at Swiss Air with a consulting/training assignment every couple of weeks during the late 90s. All our sessions were in Brussels, and because
36 Clipper707 : I remember working the ramp in DTW for Pan Am in the 80's and We had the contract for Sabena. The first flt was a B-707-combi. BRU-DTW-MEX Then came t
37 Jetdeltamsy : It is quite possible the programmers have never changed the displayed name. Isn't the code still SN? Interesting observation.
38 Viscount724 : I didn't know SN operated that 14 nm sector. I know UTA did for a while, with a DC-10 once or twice a week. No doubt one of the shortest widebody sec
39 Texan : Have a couple pics of the 330 landing at DFW from a few years ago when they were at Terminal A/2E. Was a treat to have them here. Texan
40 VC10DC10 : SABENA always makes me think of Tintin. Herge, the Belgian artist who created, wrote, and drew the Tintin books for more than 40 years, did some poste
41 ORDRyan28 : lol, I feel your pain, OA260. I guess that's a legit reason to dislike them..lol!
42 ORDRyan28 : ah..yes, their good ole tri-jets. I remember seeing those at ORD, along with their 743's, 330's, and 340's. My favorite was seeing their 743's in the
43 OA260 : Well I love Tintin ...lol....cant believe i admitted that!! Do you have any links to the posters ??? Would love to see them.
44 Tonforty : I remember Sabena with fondness as I had my first 747 flight with them. It was BRU - ORD on a 743 in October 1998. I remember the service was very goo
45 Post contains links 1stfl94 : http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%2...s/Europe2004/SABENAcover9610-2.jpg Here you go, site also has some of the inside of the timetable but Tintin's
46 Jetfan727 : I had some of the best flights in my whole life on Sabena. Service was always top-notch, and when they started their new C- Class on the then newly de
47 OA260 : Thanks nice pic , theres a museum in Brussels that I went to and they have all Tin Tin memorabilia, didnt see any SN / Tin tin posters though.
48 Delta762 : I had a great trip on Sabena atl-bru-gva in 2000 in business class. Good service! Delta762
49 Ikramerica : That was my last segment on them too, but July 1998. And as I wrote, it was the only good segment of the 4 on that trip. They 743 product was well do
50 Jlk : I remember they just announced BRU-MAA and then went out of service. Not sure if any flights did go to MAA though.
51 Gamps : Sabena did indeed operate thrice a week service to Madras almost till the end. Not sure when it started MAA, but I am guessing some time in 1999. I h
52 Post contains images SwissA330 : Same with Swissair by the way... Swiss is still announced as "Swissair Flight xxx tu Zurich now boarding at gate..." And this although they changed th
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