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Why So Few 777's In HNL?  
User currently offlineBAalltheway From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

I recently booked a trip to Honolulu, and like to book my flights based on the equipment being used...I was so disappointed to find out that of all the North American carriers operating the 777, only United flies theirs to HNL...and this only from SFO...

Further, only Korean and JAL occasionally fly theirs into HNL, very rarely though. They typically use the 744 or the DC-10. I never saw anything but a few United 777s and they were few and far between...

Any ideas why this is?

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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

You could always go ORD-OGG on United then just hop over to HNL. That gives you a couple of options.

I went through the same thing a few months ago, really wanted the 777 but in the end it was so much more convenient to connect via DFW on a 767 that's what I did.



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User currently offlineBAalltheway From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 1):
I went through the same thing a few months ago, really wanted the 777 but in the end it was so much more convenient to connect via DFW on a 767 that's what I did.

Me too...that 777 eluded me yet again. I still have yet to fly on one. Was scheduled on one before only to have it replaced last minute by a 763...Thanks British Airways!


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Quoting BAalltheway (Thread starter):
and this only from SFO

They fly it to and from ORD too.



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User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

From what i hear around this board is that the yields are not that great to use a 777, the flagship of most of the American carriers fleets to Hawaii. AA typically has their 777's in a 3-class configuration and could definately fill the front up easier on other routes.


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Quoting BAalltheway (Thread starter):
urther, only Korean and JAL occasionally fly theirs into HNL, very rarely though. They typically use the 744 or the DC-10. I never saw anything but a few United 777s and they were few and far between...

Actually, KE uses their 777 more often than the 744 between HNL and ICN. Take a look at JL and you'll notice that about 95% of their flights are on 747s, vice the DC-10 which (IIRC) was recently phased out of their fleet.


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

The 777's are used more for the higher yield routes, as most of them have dedicated First, Business, and Coach cabins, depending on the airline. And even those flown in a two-cabin configuration (CO, DL), you see a very high number of Business/First seats, which the HNL market really doesn't need.

User currently offlineBAalltheway From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 5):
the DC-10 which (IIRC) was recently phased out of their fleet.

Do you know what they replaced them with? More 744's or 743's perhaps?


User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

I woud imagine most are on long haul runs,the range on those things are close to 8k miles


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8184 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

JAL didn't replace the DC-10 with anything - they were only being used on high density domestic and international holiday routes that are traditionally very low yield.


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
JAL didn't replace the DC-10 with anything - they were only being used on high density domestic and international holiday routes that are traditionally very low yield.

That's true to some extent but I can assure you that the ones that used to fly to HNL were most definitely replaced by a combination of 747s (most 744s although some are Jalways 743s).


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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3663 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2460 times:
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Quoting BAalltheway (Reply 7):
Quoting 777fan (Reply 5):
the DC-10 which (IIRC) was recently phased out of their fleet.

Do you know what they replaced them with? More 744's or 743's perhaps?

The DC-10s have been gone for over a year. Last JAL/JALways DC-10 flight from HNL was Oct 26, 2005. We now usually have 1 747-200, 3 747-300s, 1 747-400, and 1 767-300ER. The 747-400 is the only 3-class aircraft, all others are 2-class.

When we have extra sections, they are usually split between the classic 747s or 2-class 747-400s. Charters are almost always on 3-class 747s. We haven't had a 777 in HNL for a while now, but when they do come here, they are 2-class aircraft.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 5):
Actually, KE uses their 777 more often than the 744 between HNL and ICN.

Korean's 6 weekly flights are always on the 777-200ER. We used to get the 777-300 on Sundays, but was about 2 years ago.

As mentioned in other posts, other airlines have their 777s in high premium seating configuration. UA flies the 777 from the mainland because they are in a high density configuration. The domestic 777s UA flies to Hawaii from the mainland are in a 36/312 configuration, while their international 777s are in a 12/49/197 or 10/45/198 configuration. You can add up the numbers to see the difference. HNL does get 3 UA international 777s for their Japan flights, 2 to NRT and 1 to KIX.

We also have had 777 service from CO in the past. In 2002, CO flew the 777 IAH-HNL when they first started their 2nd IAH flight. CO also has ocassionaly fly the 777 through HNL, on the way to HKG for maintenance.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8184 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

That's true to some extent but I can assure you that the ones that used to fly to HNL were most definitely replaced by a combination of 747s

I had thought he meant replacement as in new aircraft. The DC-10s that left the fleet were merely supplanted by existing 742s/3s/4s JL had available.

IIRC, one Jalways flight is also 763.



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