BAalltheway From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2815 times:
I recently booked a trip to Honolulu, and like to book my flights based on the equipment being used...I was so disappointed to find out that of all the North American carriers operating the 777, only United flies theirs to HNL...and this only from SFO...
Further, only Korean and JAL occasionally fly theirs into HNL, very rarely though. They typically use the 744 or the DC-10. I never saw anything but a few United 777s and they were few and far between...
SJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2727 times:
From what i hear around this board is that the yields are not that great to use a 777, the flagship of most of the American carriers fleets to Hawaii. AA typically has their 777's in a 3-class configuration and could definately fill the front up easier on other routes.
777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2705 times:
Quoting BAalltheway (Thread starter): urther, only Korean and JAL occasionally fly theirs into HNL, very rarely though. They typically use the 744 or the DC-10. I never saw anything but a few United 777s and they were few and far between...
Actually, KE uses their 777 more often than the 744 between HNL and ICN. Take a look at JL and you'll notice that about 95% of their flights are on 747s, vice the DC-10 which (IIRC) was recently phased out of their fleet.
MSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2650 times:
The 777's are used more for the higher yield routes, as most of them have dedicated First, Business, and Coach cabins, depending on the airline. And even those flown in a two-cabin configuration (CO, DL), you see a very high number of Business/First seats, which the HNL market really doesn't need.
Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3663 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2460 times:
Quoting BAalltheway (Reply 7): Quoting 777fan (Reply 5):
the DC-10 which (IIRC) was recently phased out of their fleet.
Do you know what they replaced them with? More 744's or 743's perhaps?
The DC-10s have been gone for over a year. Last JAL/JALways DC-10 flight from HNL was Oct 26, 2005. We now usually have 1 747-200, 3 747-300s, 1 747-400, and 1 767-300ER. The 747-400 is the only 3-class aircraft, all others are 2-class.
When we have extra sections, they are usually split between the classic 747s or 2-class 747-400s. Charters are almost always on 3-class 747s. We haven't had a 777 in HNL for a while now, but when they do come here, they are 2-class aircraft.
Quoting 777fan (Reply 5): Actually, KE uses their 777 more often than the 744 between HNL and ICN.
Korean's 6 weekly flights are always on the 777-200ER. We used to get the 777-300 on Sundays, but was about 2 years ago.
As mentioned in other posts, other airlines have their 777s in high premium seating configuration. UA flies the 777 from the mainland because they are in a high density configuration. The domestic 777s UA flies to Hawaii from the mainland are in a 36/312 configuration, while their international 777s are in a 12/49/197 or 10/45/198 configuration. You can add up the numbers to see the difference. HNL does get 3 UA international 777s for their Japan flights, 2 to NRT and 1 to KIX.
We also have had 777 service from CO in the past. In 2002, CO flew the 777 IAH-HNL when they first started their 2nd IAH flight. CO also has ocassionaly fly the 777 through HNL, on the way to HKG for maintenance.