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Please WestJet...go Long Haul  
User currently offlineBAalltheway From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

It's in the news (in Canada at least) Canada's airlines are busier in 2006...

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Business/550897.html

Capacity saw a nice increase for both of Canada's major airlines, which is really nice to see us finally getting some needed competition up here, and definitely shows that people in Canada are taking to the skies in droves these days, and Monoply Airlines is not the only choice anymore. It's nice to have a choice again...

The only problem is, unless you're going to Hawaii, Mexico or Florida....that's where the slowly forming island of Canada is almost soley serviced by Air Canada...

Air Canada has lost the respect of alot of Canadian travellers, whereas WestJet has become a very popular airline in Canada, which has earned the trust of many. So, why not kick it up a notch and go long haul? I know WestJet does well with what they've got, and they've grown at an enormous pace, but what's wrong with taking the same general business model (commonality, new, low-maintenance aircraft, etc...) and apply it to a long haul plan like Air Aisa is doing???

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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3023 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1778 times:
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here we go again...

Going long haul is a whole different ballgame than flying 737s around north america. Widebody aircraft cost alot more to operate, and take longer to turn around. And then there's the problem of where to fly to, like it or not, Canadians want to go to London, Paris and Frankfurt, not much of anywhere else in Europe, TOkyo and Hong Kong, and maybe Seoul in Asia... the markets are limited and expensive to get into. And there is no such thing as a low maintenance plane... they all cost a great deal to maintain, especially when you add in ETOPS requirements. Not to say it's insurmountable but it is a factor.

And give us a break, slowly forming island??? Zoom, Air Transat, Skyservice all fly long hauls, and then you have all the foreign airlines serving Canada too. And if you really dont like it, go south of the border and fly from there, you are welcome to it. And Air Canada never HAD the trust of many Canadians, but neither does Westjet, the thing that does though is this little plastic card many of us carry, says Aeroplan on it, long haul you better believe FFP is a big deal.

Air Canada is still miles ahead of its American competitors, and is improving in almost every comfort with project XM and the new aircraft joining the fleet. Yes they have problems, yes there are better airlines, no i don't consider Westjet to be much better, just different.

/end rant
have a nice day, be well,  Smile



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25305 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

Quoting BAalltheway (Thread starter):
The only problem is, unless you're going to Hawaii, Mexico or Florida....that's where the slowly forming island of Canada is almost soley serviced by Air Canada...

Air Canada has lost the respect of alot of Canadian travellers, whereas WestJet has become a very popular airline in Canada, which has earned the trust of many

"Soley serviced by Air Canada"? There must at least 15 other airlines operating between Canada and Europe and almost a dozen on the Pacific. If you don't like AC, fly BA/AF/LH etc. to Europe, or CX/SQ/JL etc. to Asia.

I think AC is doing a pretty good job in the face of so much competition on their international routes. If they weren't they wouldn't be achieving record load factors almost every month.

And if AC has lost the respect of Canadian travellers, why is their domestic load factor consistently higher than WestJet's?

With their ongoing upgrades to their current fleet and soon-to-arrive 777s, AC will be in a much better position to respond to their many international competitors.


User currently offlineBAalltheway From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 1):
/end rant
have a nice day, be well,

take it easy my friend, you'll notice these little ? things in my post - thanks for answering my question...

On the island topic, I have heard of some foreign Airlines questioning their frequency of visits to Canada due to the hefty airport charges associated with a typical stopover. IIRC - El Al, KLM and Alitalia were in this position about a year ago. The term "island" was used to describe Canada in this report.

Please forgive my unoriginality and my ridiculous question...

high-five???  highfive 


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

They should get 737-700ER's


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User currently offlineBAalltheway From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
I think AC is doing a pretty good job in the face of so much competition on their international routes. If they weren't they wouldn't be achieving record load factors almost every month.

And if AC has lost the respect of Canadian travellers, why is their domestic load factor consistently higher than WestJet's?

Folks, I'm not saying Air Canada is doing a bad job on their routes international or otherwise. They've been doing great lately.

It is true, I don't personally care for Air Canada so much, and it is also true that a lot of Canadians have shifted their allegiance to WestJet, a lot have stayed as well...perhaps I should have said that instead of using the word alienating.

And I don't intend on questioning the points I quoted you on - if you actually read what I wrote it never says anything bad about AC, just my obvious personal opinion shining through...I did mention that there are other foreign airlines as well, but you must have missed that and the word "almost" before soley - I don't have all the answers like you guys, so that's why I use the forums...thanks for the lashing!

I was never trying to start a WJ vs AC war on this post, so I am suggesting deletion.


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