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KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

DIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1670 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

KLM's MD11's are registered PH-KCA, KCB, KCC, KCD, KCE, KCF, KCG, KCH, KCI and KCK.

why is there no PH-KCJ? Was this regn being used by some other a/c at that time? Why this break in the sequence?

Thanks

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CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Hi!

I don't really no the reason too, but infact I think KLM NEVER used the letter J in any plane of their fleet! Maybe some dutch enthusiast can clear that out ( actually I think already in the past told the reason but I forgot...).
Regards

Swissairtaz From Switzerland, joined Jul 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

There was no HB-IWJ on the Swissair MD11 fleet but i dont know the reason

md11 forever

DIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1670 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 1):
think KLM NEVER used the letter J in any plane

could be. The Dutch pronounce the J as Y, but so do the Germans and LH doesn't seem to follow this rule.

Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.

Starglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 644 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
KLM's MD11's are registered PH-KCA, KCB, KCC, KCD, KCE, KCF, KCG, KCH, KCI and KCK.

why is there no PH-KCJ? Was this regn being used by some other a/c at that time? Why this break in the sequence?

The "J" within KLM is used for desktop models distributed by the company for public relations and is not limited to the MD11.

Regards,
Starglider

CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Hi!

Well I think we have a good reason!!! I actually can confirm that, deskmodels always had the letter "J"! Thanks Starglider!
regards

Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 3):
The Dutch pronounce the J as Y, but so do the Germans and LH doesn't seem to follow this rule

D-AIKJ / LH Airbus A330-300
D-ALCJ / LH Cargo MD11F
D-ACPJ / LH CRJ-701ER

so how you see it is been used by LH even if it's very rare. Another letter is V only used by D-AIGV A340-300 and Q only used by Cargo and CRJ-700.

BA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2138 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Just like BA dpn't use Q in their registrations, like quite a few airlines i believe...

Henry

MH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1633 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 1):
KLM NEVER used the letter J in any plane of their fleet

One exemption: PH-OFJ, which is a KLM cityhopper Fokker 100, but this was used before by KLM uk as G-UKFJ Smile

don't throw away tomorrow !

Aviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Quoting Starglider (Reply 4):
The "J" within KLM is used for desktop models distributed by the company for public relations and is not limited to the MD11.

That might be all true but.........

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Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

Quoting BA777 (Reply 7):
Just like BA dpn't use Q in their registrations, like quite a few airlines i believe...

IIRC the Q is used for simulators at KLM.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
One exemption: PH-OFJ, which is a KLM cityhopper Fokker 100, but this was used before by KLM uk as G-UKFJ

The F100 desktop model has the PH-KLJ registration. Maybe that's why they decided to use OFJ anyway?

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EHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Quoting Starglider (Reply 4):
The "J" within KLM is used for desktop models distributed by the company for public relations and is not limited to the MD11.

Very true. In some other instances, certain letters are used to designate the simulator of te aircraft type. The A332 simulator at KL is has the G-reggo, making
PH-AOG a.k.a. "Aircraft On Ground". Quite witty.

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Starglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 644 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
One exemption: PH-OFJ, which is a KLM cityhopper Fokker 100, but this was used before by KLM uk as G-UKFJ

Because the F100 is such a great "little" airplane, as an exception to the rules like Aviopic stated, it was decided to retain the "J" on this aircraft. Wink

DIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1670 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Thanks for the clarification , starglider.

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Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11360 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

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Quoting BA777 (Reply 7):
Just like BA dpn't use Q in their registrations, like quite a few airlines i believe...

As far as I know the letter Q is not supported by the CAA in British G- registrations.

Four more years!

Starglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 644 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 13):
Thanks for the clarification , starglider.

Glad to be of help.

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