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KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?  
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4711 times:

KLM's MD11's are registered PH-KCA, KCB, KCC, KCD, KCE, KCF, KCG, KCH, KCI and KCK.

why is there no PH-KCJ? Was this regn being used by some other a/c at that time? Why this break in the sequence?

Thanks


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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4710 times:

Hi!

I don't really no the reason too, but infact I think KLM NEVER used the letter J in any plane of their fleet! Maybe some dutch enthusiast can clear that out ( actually I think already in the past told the reason but I forgot...).
Regards


User currently offlineSwissairtaz From Switzerland, joined Jul 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4694 times:

There was no HB-IWJ on the Swissair MD11 fleet but i dont know the reason


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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4688 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 1):
think KLM NEVER used the letter J in any plane

could be. The Dutch pronounce the J as Y, but so do the Germans and LH doesn't seem to follow this rule.



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User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4671 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
KLM's MD11's are registered PH-KCA, KCB, KCC, KCD, KCE, KCF, KCG, KCH, KCI and KCK.

why is there no PH-KCJ? Was this regn being used by some other a/c at that time? Why this break in the sequence?

The "J" within KLM is used for desktop models distributed by the company for public relations and is not limited to the MD11.

Regards,
Starglider


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

Hi!

Well I think we have a good reason!!! I actually can confirm that, deskmodels always had the letter "J"! Thanks Starglider!
regards


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 3):
The Dutch pronounce the J as Y, but so do the Germans and LH doesn't seem to follow this rule

D-AIKJ / LH Airbus A330-300
D-ALCJ / LH Cargo MD11F
D-ACPJ / LH CRJ-701ER

so how you see it is been used by LH even if it's very rare. Another letter is V only used by D-AIGV A340-300 and Q only used by Cargo and CRJ-700.


User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2175 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

Just like BA dpn't use Q in their registrations, like quite a few airlines i believe...

Henry


User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1688 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 1):
KLM NEVER used the letter J in any plane of their fleet

One exemption: PH-OFJ, which is a KLM cityhopper Fokker 100, but this was used before by KLM uk as G-UKFJ  Smile



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

Quoting Starglider (Reply 4):
The "J" within KLM is used for desktop models distributed by the company for public relations and is not limited to the MD11.

That might be all true but.........

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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

Quoting BA777 (Reply 7):
Just like BA dpn't use Q in their registrations, like quite a few airlines i believe...

IIRC the Q is used for simulators at KLM.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
One exemption: PH-OFJ, which is a KLM cityhopper Fokker 100, but this was used before by KLM uk as G-UKFJ

The F100 desktop model has the PH-KLJ registration. Maybe that's why they decided to use OFJ anyway?



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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

Quoting Starglider (Reply 4):
The "J" within KLM is used for desktop models distributed by the company for public relations and is not limited to the MD11.

Very true. In some other instances, certain letters are used to designate the simulator of te aircraft type. The A332 simulator at KL is has the G-reggo, making
PH-AOG a.k.a. "Aircraft On Ground". Quite witty.



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User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
One exemption: PH-OFJ, which is a KLM cityhopper Fokker 100, but this was used before by KLM uk as G-UKFJ

Because the F100 is such a great "little" airplane, as an exception to the rules like Aviopic stated, it was decided to retain the "J" on this aircraft.  Wink


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Thanks for the clarification , starglider.


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12498 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4425 times:
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Quoting BA777 (Reply 7):
Just like BA dpn't use Q in their registrations, like quite a few airlines i believe...

As far as I know the letter Q is not supported by the CAA in British G- registrations.



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User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 13):
Thanks for the clarification , starglider.

Glad to be of help.


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