Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?  
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1811 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

KLM's MD11's are registered PH-KCA, KCB, KCC, KCD, KCE, KCF, KCG, KCH, KCI and KCK.

why is there no PH-KCJ? Was this regn being used by some other a/c at that time? Why this break in the sequence?

Thanks


Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
15 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

Hi!

I don't really no the reason too, but infact I think KLM NEVER used the letter J in any plane of their fleet! Maybe some dutch enthusiast can clear that out ( actually I think already in the past told the reason but I forgot...).
Regards


User currently offlineSwissairtaz From Switzerland, joined Jul 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

There was no HB-IWJ on the Swissair MD11 fleet but i dont know the reason


md11 forever
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1811 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 1):
think KLM NEVER used the letter J in any plane

could be. The Dutch pronounce the J as Y, but so do the Germans and LH doesn't seem to follow this rule.



Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
KLM's MD11's are registered PH-KCA, KCB, KCC, KCD, KCE, KCF, KCG, KCH, KCI and KCK.

why is there no PH-KCJ? Was this regn being used by some other a/c at that time? Why this break in the sequence?

The "J" within KLM is used for desktop models distributed by the company for public relations and is not limited to the MD11.

Regards,
Starglider


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Hi!

Well I think we have a good reason!!! I actually can confirm that, deskmodels always had the letter "J"! Thanks Starglider!
regards


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2990 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 3):
The Dutch pronounce the J as Y, but so do the Germans and LH doesn't seem to follow this rule

D-AIKJ / LH Airbus A330-300
D-ALCJ / LH Cargo MD11F
D-ACPJ / LH CRJ-701ER

so how you see it is been used by LH even if it's very rare. Another letter is V only used by D-AIGV A340-300 and Q only used by Cargo and CRJ-700.


User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2179 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4742 times:

Just like BA dpn't use Q in their registrations, like quite a few airlines i believe...

Henry


User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1692 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4735 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 1):
KLM NEVER used the letter J in any plane of their fleet

One exemption: PH-OFJ, which is a KLM cityhopper Fokker 100, but this was used before by KLM uk as G-UKFJ  Smile



don't throw away tomorrow !
User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

Quoting Starglider (Reply 4):
The "J" within KLM is used for desktop models distributed by the company for public relations and is not limited to the MD11.

That might be all true but.........

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Tommy Desmet


There is always an exception to the rules of course.  Wink



The truth lives in one’s mind, it doesn’t really exist
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Quoting BA777 (Reply 7):
Just like BA dpn't use Q in their registrations, like quite a few airlines i believe...

IIRC the Q is used for simulators at KLM.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
One exemption: PH-OFJ, which is a KLM cityhopper Fokker 100, but this was used before by KLM uk as G-UKFJ

The F100 desktop model has the PH-KLJ registration. Maybe that's why they decided to use OFJ anyway?



L1011,733,734,73G,738,743,744,752,763,772,77W,DC855,DC863,DC930,DC950,MD11,MD88,306,319,320,321,343,346,ARJ85,CR7,E195
User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4655 times:

Quoting Starglider (Reply 4):
The "J" within KLM is used for desktop models distributed by the company for public relations and is not limited to the MD11.

Very true. In some other instances, certain letters are used to designate the simulator of te aircraft type. The A332 simulator at KL is has the G-reggo, making
PH-AOG a.k.a. "Aircraft On Ground". Quite witty.



"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
One exemption: PH-OFJ, which is a KLM cityhopper Fokker 100, but this was used before by KLM uk as G-UKFJ

Because the F100 is such a great "little" airplane, as an exception to the rules like Aviopic stated, it was decided to retain the "J" on this aircraft.  Wink


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1811 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4569 times:

Thanks for the clarification , starglider.


Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12633 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4565 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting BA777 (Reply 7):
Just like BA dpn't use Q in their registrations, like quite a few airlines i believe...

As far as I know the letter Q is not supported by the CAA in British G- registrations.



Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana!
User currently offlineStarglider From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 678 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 13):
Thanks for the clarification , starglider.

Glad to be of help.


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Why No KLM Service To Amsterdam From EMA & LPL? posted Sat Sep 23 2006 20:17:47 by 8herveg
KLM: Why No MD-11 Combi? posted Tue Aug 15 2006 15:42:13 by A342
Why No Daytime DTW-AMS Flights On KLM/NW? posted Fri May 26 2006 01:00:03 by Targowski
KLM And CO No First Class, Why? posted Wed May 4 2005 12:49:58 by Hardiwv
Why No KLM Regs Ending With J? posted Tue Apr 19 2005 16:02:06 by Ariis
Why No KLM, EL AL, JAL, Delta On Amadeus.net? posted Sun Mar 27 2005 13:56:57 by Amirs
Why No A340 Or A320 For KLM? posted Sun Aug 22 2004 14:45:59 by Kl911
Why No AF Or KLM In BEG? posted Sat Nov 8 2003 09:26:18 by Bik
KLM, Why No 757's? posted Thu Aug 16 2001 17:29:25 by 767-332ER
Why No A346HGW For VS posted Fri Dec 15 2006 12:36:42 by UAEflyer
Why No A380s For KLM? posted Tue Oct 5 2010 14:29:05 by A380900
Why No KLM MD-11F? posted Wed May 21 2008 08:00:02 by American 767
Why No Windows On This KLM 744? posted Tue Apr 3 2007 20:08:00 by 22right
Why No AF-KLM To DFW? posted Tue Dec 12 2006 04:49:08 by ZschocheImages
Why No KLM Service To Amsterdam From EMA & LPL? posted Sat Sep 23 2006 20:17:47 by 8herveg
KLM: Why No MD-11 Combi? posted Tue Aug 15 2006 15:42:13 by A342
Why No Daytime DTW-AMS Flights On KLM/NW? posted Fri May 26 2006 01:00:03 by Targowski
KLM And CO No First Class, Why? posted Wed May 4 2005 12:49:58 by Hardiwv
Why No KLM Regs Ending With J? posted Tue Apr 19 2005 16:02:06 by Ariis
Why No KLM, EL AL, JAL, Delta On Amadeus.net? posted Sun Mar 27 2005 13:56:57 by Amirs