No. All pax 744's have the stretched upper deck. Boeing built the 744F with the standard upper deck because a stretched upper deck is not necessary. You may see some 744 cargo planes with stretched upper decks. They were converted from pax/combi to cargo.
ORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 17 Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6668 times:
Quoting CodyKDiamond (Reply 5): Yes, but are any passenger 747-400 equipped with a standard upper-deck?
No. If they were equipped with a standard upper deck, those would be of the 747-100/-200 variants. ALL 744's have the stretched upper deck, that is part of their main, unique improvement from the standard 747's. The 747-300 also has the stretched upper deck...
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CodyKDiamond From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 537 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6646 times:
Thank you very much. This info really helped me as today I was on my 2nd 747-a 228F!!! operated by Atlas Air (809MC) and I was just curious. The upper-deck is so cool on the 747....also my first Tristar today.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23184 posts, RR: 23 Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6364 times:
Another 744 oddity is the special 744D model built for JL and NH for shorthaul domestic service which does not have winglets. That makes them easy to confuse with 743s. Winglets can be added later should these aircraft be transferred to longhaul service. The winglets didn't generate any operational benefits on short domestic routes so they were omitted to reduce weight.
Apart from more seats, are there any other differences between 744Ds and regular pax 744s?
In addition to no winglets, the 744D also lacks the wingtip extensions of other 744s. The 744D wingspan is thus identical to the 741/742/743, approximately 16 feet less than the standard 744. I believe the 744D may have some other reinforcements in things like landing gear/brakes etc. to cope with the much more frequent landing/takeoff cycles but I'm not sure. You could probably get a better answer in the Tech/Ops forum.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6176 times:
Quoting CodyKDiamond (Reply 10): are the any 744 model that carry a shortened upper deck like the 744F?
No. The 747-400PAX and 747-400 Combi have pretty much the same fuselage as the 747-300. The 747-400 Freighter (except those who got aftermarket conversions from PAX to freighter aircraft) use basically the same fuselage of the 747-100/-200.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23184 posts, RR: 23 Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6116 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 23): The 747-200SUD is what later became the 747-300 and in time evolved to the 747-400.
Your chronology isn't quite right. The 747-200SUD didn't "later become" the 747-300. The factory-built 747-300 had been in service for some time (first service with Swissair March 23, 1983) before KL decided to modify 11 of their 747-200s to add the stretched upper deck. KL also bought 3 new 747-300s in addition to the 11 -200SUD conversions. All KL -300s and -200SUDs now sold/retired.
Apart from the 747SP, the -300 was the least successful 747 model in terms of sales -- only 81 were built apart from the KL -200SUD conversions.
One of the 3 factory-built -300s originally operated by KL is still a frequent visitor to AMS: