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User currently offlineMaxsa From Israel, joined Nov 2006, 32 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

Hello everybody!
May be anyone here knows what is the current status of the Blue 22 project railway from YYZ to downtown Toronto. I have heard that the project is yet to start and may actually never be implemented. Any updates?
Thanks everybody

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User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4397 times:

Quoting Maxsa (Thread starter):
Hello everybody!
May be anyone here knows what is the current status of the Blue 22 project railway from YYZ to downtown Toronto. I have heard that the project is yet to start and may actually never be implemented. Any updates?
Thanks everybody

This project is a very hotly contested project in the Toronto area.

Toronto is lacking very much so in the way of a modern and sufficient transit system. For a city the size of Toronto, there should be subway's everywhere, when in fact, it's quite a unorganized mess of busses, streetcars and subways.

The Toronto YYZ Rail project has been on and off again over the past few years.

As it stands, I believe there are no plans currently. The homeowners who live along the rail corridor that was to be used have created quite a stir, complaining already about it.

Unfortunately the local politics here (both municipal & provincial) are so hotly contested, that no one wants to stick their neck out, and just do what is needed to be done. No one wants to spend the money or risk their political future by doing what is *right*.

One suggested method would be to put a subway link right up the 427 from the "end of the line" Kipling station, which would be costly, but could be done. Have it link right up with the YYZ LINK light-rail system that was just opened this year (intra-terminal link)

unfortunately, that's all I have to offer you on this one!

1011yyz



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User currently offlineZBA2CGX From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

There are a couple of links inside transit toronto who have come up with some alternative plans to get heavy rail to YYZ (http://transit.toronto.on.ca/subway/5100.shtml). It involves extending a couple of the existing lines (Bloor line) or building new ones (the filled in Eglinton line). Given the trouble getting the university line extended to York University, I would guess all of the proposal are dead.

The people of Weston are going to have to suck it up, the rail lines have been there a lot longer then the houses. Building underpasses for the potentially closed roads would help and alleviate some of the concerns about splitting the community in two.

I guess Toronto is going to have to live in the shadow of Vancouver (Canada Line), Montreal and eventually Calgary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Train).


User currently offlineDgehfx From Canada, joined May 2001, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

I read in a report in the Globe and Mail newspaper http:www.globeandmail.ca many months ago that it cost the same amount of money to extend the subway one station to York University as it would cost to construct a 218 km long light rail transit system.
Is it still true that the TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) is the least subsidised transit system in N.A. ?
One has only to inhale in Toronto to realise how backwards Toronto has become concerning its public transport. The air polution is not to be believed.
FRA, on the other hand, has an integrated high speed and light rail transit system in the airport terminal - light years ahead of anything in Canada. There isn't an airport in Canada with a rail service however, BOS, ATL, STL, MSP to name a few have excellent rail services.


User currently offlineLawgman From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

Quoting Maxsa (Thread starter):
Hello everybody!
May be anyone here knows what is the current status of the Blue 22 project railway from YYZ to downtown Toronto. I have heard that the project is yet to start and may actually never be implemented. Any updates?
Thanks everybody

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. That was a funny joke. Making these people actually think there is a possibility of a link.


User currently offlineCRJpurser From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 76 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting Dgehfx (Reply 3):
One has only to inhale in Toronto to realise how backwards Toronto has become concerning its public transport.

Try how backwards Canada is! Extension of light rail in Ottawa was recently axed (and even the extension was not going to be run to the airport, due to loss of parking revenue by the airport authority!!!). Across this county you see time and time again, examples of disdain for public transport. It is a real shame. At least YOW has an excellent bus service (leaves every 15 mins and only takes 20 mins to get downtown), YUL and YYZ are horrible for their connections downtown (I am talking public not taxis or for-profit buses). With combinations of buses and subways (from YYZ and YUL), it will take you about an hour to get downtown! YHZ, YQB, YFC, YYG, and YYT (all airports serving provincial capitals) have nothing for public transport connections, it is rather embarrassing.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Quoting CRJpurser (Reply 5):
Try how backwards Canada is! Extension of light rail in Ottawa was recently axed (and even the extension was not going to be run to the airport, due to loss of parking revenue by the airport authority!!!). Across this county you see time and time again, examples of disdain for public transport. It is a real shame. At least YOW has an excellent bus service (leaves every 15 mins and only takes 20 mins to get downtown), YUL and YYZ are horrible for their connections downtown (I am talking public not taxis or for-profit buses). With combinations of buses and subways (from YYZ and YUL), it will take you about an hour to get downtown! YHZ, YQB, YFC, YYG, and YYT (all airports serving provincial capitals) have nothing for public transport connections, it is rather embarrassing.

The main problem with light rail in Ottawa was that they built the bloody thing north to south. This was stupid as Ottawa is bordered on the north by a river limiting the potential pool of commuters. In fact the only real benefactor of this was Carleton University. The first phase should really have been east to west connecting Nepean, Orleans, Gloucester to somewhere downtown or nearby. This was rejected for a number of reason, mainly becasue the cost was higher than north-south. Typical municpal government shite.

YOWza



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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1003 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3884 times:
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Well YHZ is closer to Truro than Halifax Proper. It takes about half an hour to drive to Bedford from the airport, and then about another 15 minutes to get right down town. It's not like they can run the municipal bus up the 102 for half an hour.


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User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

The Environmental Assessment project is moving forward.

http://www.georgetownpearsonstudy.ca/

The problem with Blue22 is that unlike other airport rail connections in the world where the national rail system, regional rail system, or metro goes to the airport, this was going to be run by none of those three. Stop a subway (TTC) at the airport get easy access to a whole subway network, stop a regional rail train (GO Transit) at the airport and have access to the entire region, stop a national rail train (VIA) and have access to this side of the nation, stop Blue22 at the airport and have convenient access to only one other point (big whoop).

The other issue is that people along the corridor which the train would pass have poor transit alternatives so they were about to see government money spent to improve a rail corridor disrupting their neighbourhood while providing no benefit to them. It is hard to get buy-in for a transit corridor being built through the neighbourhood without providing an on-ramp.


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Quoting Dgehfx (Reply 3):
Is it still true that the TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) is the least subsidised transit system in N.A. ?
One has only to inhale in Toronto to realise how backwards Toronto has become concerning its public transport. The air polution is not to be believed

Unfortunatly I and the rest of Canada are not in favour of subsidising Toronto to any amount of money. If they want a light rail line to the airport they can pay for it themselves. I'll be damned if my tax dollars are going to be spent subsidising Toronto and their god forsaken traffic problems. It use to take me 15 to 20 minutes to drive from the airport to my condo down on the lake front. Now it would take me any where from 45 minutes to two hours to do the same drive depending on the time of day. The city council for decades has had great plans for a direct link from the airport to the core of Toronto but has never had the political backbone to move on any proposal.



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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

The question is: For who? A rail link from YYZ to downtown TO would be just that: link to downtown, nothing else. There is no railway system worth mentioning in Canada. Go isn't exactly the fastest train service and is basically serving only the corridor between Pickering and Burlington. The service beyond Pickering on East side and Burlington on west side is quite limited... VIA service isn't anything to write home about either... And the connection to TTC? Eh, no. I simply refuse to put up with Toronto's underdeveloped public transportation system after an 9 hour flight from Europe (or 13 hour flight from Asia for that matter).
I don't think that is appropriate to compare YYZ to FRA or some other airport in the world. The infrastructure simply isn't here, the whole thing would be useless.
Sometimes it works even without the railway. In October 2004 I managed to get from NGO to Gamagori (approx. 60 km) in 1.5 hour using strictly public transportation; Airport Bus to the railway station and the train to Gamagori. But without the reliable railway service between Nagoya and Toyohashi the whole airport bus would be useless...


User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

Quoting CRJpurser (Reply 5):
Try how backwards Canada is! Extension of light rail in Ottawa was recently axed (and even the extension was not going to be run to the airport, due to loss of parking revenue by the airport authority!!!). Across this county you see time and time again, examples of disdain for public transport. It is a real shame.

Yup, disdain is one word for it. Personally, I think most of us middle/upper classers look down our noses at public transport as being for the poor, the old, and the immigrants -- not for 'us'. I guess it also shows how well we've been conditioned by the automakers marketing programs.

I take the bus to work, in the winter, by the way. But I plead guilty about the summer. At least I carpool.



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 9):

Unfortunatly I and the rest of Canada are not in favour of subsidising Toronto to any amount of money. If they want a light rail line to the airport they can pay for it themselves. I'll be damned if my tax dollars are going to be spent subsidising Toronto and their god forsaken traffic problems. It use to take me 15 to 20 minutes to drive from the airport to my condo down on the lake front. Now it would take me any where from 45 minutes to two hours to do the same drive depending on the time of day. The city council for decades has had great plans for a direct link from the airport to the core of Toronto but has never had the political backbone to move on any proposal.

That's as opposed to subsidizing your Olympics or your farmers or your oil industry or your traffic problems. When I hear someone outside Toronto whining about Toronto I want to barf - all over them. The rest of Canada is being nicely bought and paid for by successive governments and I only wish we had a Toronto party at the federal level whose motto would be: Kiss Our Ass, Canada.


User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 900 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

I grew up in Toronto, I know the TTC like the back of my hand. When I go to Toronto, I park the car at Yorkdale mall and get the subway.

Problem with expansion of the subway is the sheer cost of running a subway through a developed area (the sheppard line cost $1,000,000,000 for 5 stations). You gotta dig, and move pipelines... a big mess. The GTA is a massive area, there shoud really be a highspeed system through the region, starting in Brampton, down through Mississauga, Toronto, up the main rail corridor through Scarborough, Pickering, Ajax, Whitby, Oshawa. And then maybe one from Union Station upthrough Barrie. Consider it a spoke and hub system. The Go Train and busses handle the local stuff, the highspeed line for city to city.

Why not run the subway above ground, maybe along highways. There are several streaches on the TTC where the subway is above ground.


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 9):
Unfortunatly I and the rest of Canada are not in favour of subsidising Toronto to any amount of money.

I'd put it this way: Rest of Canada is not in favour of returning some of tax money collected from Toronto (I could say from Ontario as it is).

Quoting Sebring (Reply 12):
That's as opposed to subsidizing your Olympics or your farmers or your oil industry or your traffic problems.

Our farmers maybe, but you like inexpensive food too, don't you? I'm sure that London doesn't get any subsidies either...But unlike Toronto London didn't grow into a megapolis with underdeveloped infrastructure. Hey, Torontonians can't even manage their own waste (and therefore they are bringing it to us now)

Quoting Oroka (Reply 13):
I park the car at Yorkdale mall and get the subway.

As long as you don't get kicked out by the Yorkdale Mall security... Happens quite often, especially in the morning.


User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

In Toronto's defence, and every other city in Canada, the provinces and the federal government have pretty much screwed municipalities. It's nice to say that Toronto should have to pay for an airport rail link, or Toronto should have to pay for the transit expansion project, but Toronto can't pay for it. With the province downloading so many services to municipalities without providing any other tax source other than property taxes, municipalities are stretched too thin to fund large capital projects like Blue22 or subway expansion alone. I would say that Vancouver is the healthiest municipality in the country thanks to progressive lawmakers in Victoria. Still, even Vancouver relies on Federal and Provincial subsidies to implement large capital projects.

User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1003 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3450 times:
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It's not like it's the Toronto's fault it's not ready or able to support it's self. It's Mike Harris' fault. Remember the referendum? We voted not to amalgamate into a mega city. We were not ready to become one big city, and that is why we are so disorganised and in debt. We had to bring each of the cities to the same level with regards to public services. This included expanding the TTC. (though I agree the Sheppherd subway goes nowhere and should have gone to Downsview instead of way out the way it does.)

If you don't want to have traffic, Use YTZ and connect at YOW/YUL to go international. That'd really piss off David Miller.

[Edited 2007-01-09 14:41:56]


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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 12):
That's as opposed to subsidizing your Olympics or your farmers or your oil industry or your traffic problems. When I hear someone outside Toronto whining about Toronto I want to barf - all over them. The rest of Canada is being nicely bought and paid for by successive governments and I only wish we had a Toronto party at the federal level whose motto would be: Kiss Our Ass, Canada.

Typical response from those who live in Toronto.  crazy 



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User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 9):
Unfortunatly I and the rest of Canada are not in favour of subsidising Toronto to any amount of money. If they want a light rail line to the airport they can pay for it themselves. I'll be damned if my tax dollars are going to be spent subsidising Toronto and their god forsaken traffic problems.

Toronto does without to give Canada more. Realistically any city in the world with the population base and tax base Toronto has would provide more than enough revenue to do these projects. The Toronto area's traffic is the worst in North America, and I can say that because I have driven in almost every major city in North America in the last year. The problem has to be solved. How? I don't know. But it will take lots of money from someplace.


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 12):
The rest of Canada is being nicely bought and paid for by successive governments and I only wish we had a Toronto party at the federal level whose motto would be: Kiss Our Ass, Canada.

Really? Toronto is subsidizing Calgary??? Wow that's news to me  Yeah sure Albertans on a per capita basis pay around $2000 (in taxes) per year towards equalization payment. Ontario is $300 per year on a per capita basis.

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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

With all fairness, the imbalance between tax collection and spending in Toronto is huge.

Take a look here:http://www.canadascities.ca/pdf/enoughnotenough.pdf

According to this, Toronto pays yearly $ 9 bln more than receives in services.


User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 19):
Really? Toronto is subsidizing Calgary??? Wow that's news to me Yeah sure Albertans on a per capita basis pay around $2000 (in taxes) per year towards equalization payment. Ontario is $300 per year on a per capita basis.

Well that cash flow was alot different when we were paying for the Calgary Olympics and the oil sands weren't at the full-out melt the icecaps performance that they are now.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 10):
There is no railway system worth mentioning in Canada. Go isn't exactly the fastest train service and is basically serving only the corridor between Pickering and Burlington. The service beyond Pickering on East side and Burlington on west side is quite limited... VIA service isn't anything to write home about either... And the connection to TTC? Eh, no. I simply refuse to put up with Toronto's underdeveloped public transportation system after an 9 hour flight from Europe (or 13 hour flight from Asia for that matter).

GO is just as fast as the car... except it doesn't pull into your driveway. Plenty fast enough from station to station though. If the corridor Toronto-Kitchener-London could operate at the same speeds as Toronto-Brantford-London the train service from downtown London to Pearson would probably be so convenient Robert Q's Airbus service would be out of business. The TTC connection would be great for locals and airport staff (less important for foreigners visiting the country) if it was the Eglinton or Bloor line because the route to downtown is less direct.


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 21):

GO is just as fast as the car... except it doesn't pull into your driveway.

That's true, but my driveway still may be miles away from the station.

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 21):
Plenty fast enough from station to station

Not true. 45 min from Pickering to Danforth isn't anything to write mom about.

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 21):
If the corridor Toronto-Kitchener-London could operate at the same speeds as Toronto-Brantford-London the train service from downtown London to Pearson would probably be so convenient Robert Q's Airbus service would be out of business.

1. There is no Go service past Hamilton
2. First to travel east to get connection to west? At least a half hour to Union Station, change trains,then 2 hours to London. Not really convenient. Robert Q',s service is safe.

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 21):
The TTC connection would be great for locals and airport staff (less important for foreigners visiting the country) if it was the Eglinton or Bloor line because the route to downtown is less direct.

No. TO's public transportation system is just too slow. I had a few colleagues (on my previous job) living in Eglinton/Allen Road area. The office is located in Lawrence/VicPark area (roughly 15 km distance). They spent 4 hours daily commuting because of TTC. Now imagine you travel from the end of Bloor line. I just can't see anybody to do it after arrival. Same for the employees.


User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1003 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3074 times:
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It takes me less than 45 minutes to commute from downtown to the airport, which is about as long as it takes to get to school, at York U. By car to the airport it would take about the same amount of time. By car to york is about 10 minutes faster. Not much difference there, and 2.50 to get to the airport is pretty cheap IMO.


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User currently offlineYYCowboy From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 12):
That's as opposed to subsidizing your Olympics or your farmers or your oil industry or your traffic problems. When I hear someone outside Toronto whining about Toronto I want to barf - all over them. The rest of Canada is being nicely bought and paid for by successive governments and I only wish we had a Toronto party at the federal level whose motto would be: Kiss Our Ass, Canada

I detect a hissy fit from you Sebring. Unfortunately, you have it all wrong. Toronto is its own worst ennimy. Kiss Toronto ass, laff, not in this lifetime, its smelly, dirty, unwashed, retentive, bunged up, itchy, poo hangers abound, not the place any right thinking Canadian would put their lips. "Your Olympics" ???? Are you upset Toronto couldn't make a successfull bid? Perhaps because of the above? Or because Toronto cannot accomplish anything without a great deal of drama and excessive cost. As I recall, many Canadians from Toronto proudly participated in Canadian hosted Olympics, and will do so again in Vancouver. Suck it up princess, the rest of the country has infrastructure needs also.

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 21):
Well that cash flow was alot different when we were paying for the Calgary Olympics and the oil sands weren't at the full-out melt the icecaps performance that they are now

Calgary paid for its own Olympics. The first in history to turn a profit. Perhaps you mean Montreal Olympics? Oilsands is rising to demand to fuel OUR whole nation. Its domestic supply is much more desireable than from 3rd world "dirty oil" or unstable Arab Shiekdoms. As for "melt the icecaps" well, thats as much Toronto's fault, just take a look at you're sky. Nuclear power for Oilsands extraction is very much a reality, just a matter of time.



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25 WildcatYXU : Try it from the airport somewhere in similar distance, but east of Yonge (let's say 7 Roanoke Drive) and then compare.
26 Lawgman : How did this thread become a Toronto versus Calgary issue? Because the city of Toronto has no appropriate means of raising money to build transit, mon
27 WildcatYXU : No. Majority of immigrants is coming to Canada in skilled worker category, so they bring some money with themselves (it's in vicinity of $ 12 k for a
28 Fly2YYZ : 4 Hours is not feasible. Unless they worked in Mississauga there's no way it would take 4 hours! I live at Yonge and Lawrence and to get me from ther
29 Post contains images AirbusfanYYZ : Calgary actually lost two Olympic bids (1964 and 1968) before winning in 1988. Toronto has also lost two Olympic bids, for 2000 and 2008. BTW that wa
30 WildcatYXU : Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. It was 4 hours total time, 2 hours to work and two hours back. Still a lot, I was routinely returning from service call
31 Post contains images Brilondon : As long as the subway takes you to where you want to go. Along Bloor, Yonge, and University. Otherwise you have to take surface transportion and in T
32 EnviroTO : Yes but that is true in every city in the world which has successful rail systems. The airport isn't that close to your driveway either. The express
33 EnviroTO : It made a profit because it didn't go over budget, not because zero tax dollars went to help put on the olympics. That budget counted on government s
34 Post contains images WildcatYXU : Why on Earth would I do it? It's obviously true, but only a small fraction of population lives/works in walking distance from the station. If you add
35 Brilondon : When did Eglinton get a subway line? I would like to try to get on the TTC from Bay and Front and try to get to the airport in an hour. This is one o
36 Watewate : It's doable and I have done it many times. Unless the traffic is really bad on the 427, the Airport Rocket is awfully quick from Kipling. But you're
37 Lnglive1011yyz : Can you imagine the mass-transit system we could build here in Toronto, as WELL the upgrading of our water/gas/sewage systems we could have if we wit
38 Post contains images Brilondon : It is not $2.50. You are charged an additional $2.50 once you leave Toronto and enter in to Mississauga which is where the airport is. Oh and by the
39 Jamincan : What are you talking about? The last time I took transit from the airport, I did it all on one fare (YYZ-Kipling, Kipling-Downtown). That said, it wa
40 Donder10 : When I got the 58A from Lawrence West to the airport in August the driver said the extra applies only west of the airport ie, the stops after all the
41 EnviroTO : Eglinton was the subway that was under construction at one point and was expected to eventually reach the airport. The Mike Harris government paid mi
42 YYZatcboy : What subway have you been riding? I ride the U/S line Home from YorkU during rushhour, and I'm just happy I get on at downsview on the way back or I'
43 Yulguy : Toronto needs to get a YYZ-downtown rail project on the go. It's vital to the economic development of Canada's largest city. In fact, it's necessary f
44 NorthStarDC4M : 401, very little QEW= none 427= possibly a little Gardiner= ditto A model? oh god help us all! Downtown Toronto survived because of the lack of expre
45 Yulguy : I said it WAS well-funded. Well-funded until the Harris Tories stopped funding and made the cities foot the bill entirely. So, continue laughing if y
46 Brilondon : You are right. I don't take the TTC living on Harbour front but I got my info from a friend who works at the airport. I apologize for my lack of firs
47 Mohavewolfpup : they do need a subway dragged to the airport, the airport rocket is lethal. my god, I was barely on it and had my luggage secured and the guy stomped
48 Brilondon : Please don't think Toronto is a terrible place from my rants but I would have suggested taking the Airport Express Bus to the core of Toronto. The co
49 Jamincan : Yes, they were planned, and Toronto was so fortunate to inherit Jane Jacobs from New York, effectively mobilizing residents against the expressways.
50 EnviroTO : The only reason it hasn't been proposed in London is because insane ideas are more quickly dismissed in London. One only needs to see the CAA's Lake
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