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737 Crash At East Midlands 18 Years Ago Today.  
User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

Doesn't seem like nearly 20 years ago.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...nuary/8/newsid_2506000/2506665.stm

[Edited 2007-01-08 13:07:29]

[Edited 2007-01-08 13:13:36]


What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
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User currently offlineBewley747 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6846 times:

You probably want to change the title. The crash occurred on the M1 near East Midlands Airport (EMA)

User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6831 times:

And also... it wasn't BMI. It was British Midland... long before the re-branding  Smile

And I can't beleive this was 18 years ago... I remember first hearing about it only 10 years ago and it seemed quite well known then... weird...

Anyway, hopefully everyone affected by this tragic accident is keeping well today.

Mike


User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6826 times:

Not enough room to put British Midland in the title!


What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6808 times:

Quoting Cumulus (Reply 3):
Not enough room to put British Midland in the title!

lol... i'm sorry. I didn't mean to be picky *blush*

Just might've given the wrong impression with BMI on the front.. ya know.  Smile

Mike


User currently offlineBewley747 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6808 times:

Back to the accident though. It was a terrible time for Uk aviation. Came just a few weeks after that horrible night of the Lockerbie disaster.

Having worked at British Midland / bmi I have heard some terrible stories, and know that the Kegworth disaster, like any other, stays in the mind of all those involved for the rest of their lives.

Lets hope that with the UK remains one of the safest nations in terms of air safety.

BEWLEY747


User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6798 times:

Doesn't seem like 18 years ago!

There are two photos of the aircraft in here, this one:


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And, just a week later, sadly this one


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There is a memorial to the crash on the bridge just to the north of the accident site, paying tribute to the passengers who lost their lives that night Sad


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26806 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6783 times:

Cant believe it was 18 years ago, I was seeing my sister off on the EDI flight with my parents that night and we were at the check in with some of the BFS passengers. Very sad indeed. Was it not known as the Kegworth disaster???

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6676 times:

I stood at LHR that night and watched that very flight taxi out. I then went home and heard it had crashed. That was rather an odd feeling.

User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12287 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

Interesting quote from Wikipedia:

Quote:
The captain believed the right engine was malfunctioning due to the smell of smoke, because in previous Boeing 737 variants, bleed air from the engines for the air conditioning system was taken from this engine. However, starting with the Boeing 737-400 variant, Boeing redesigned the system so both engines fed it.

It made me think of one advantage of bleedless systems: the cabin won't be contaminated by smoke from malfunctioning engines. I suppose electrically driven air conditioning packs could have some failure modes where they inject smoke into their output, but it seems much less likely than the case where an engine fails and the cabin air gets contaminated.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6639 times:

I had a friend on the flight who thankfully survived and to this day he still has nightmares and has never got back on a flight since!

User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6594 times:

My stepdaughters were travelling down from Finningley the day this happened. As it was in the days before mobile phones were widely used, we were worried sick for a while until we heard from them. They missed it by about an hour luckily.

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6572 times:

This is my very first memory as a young child! Although only two, I remember it clearly which is rather strange.

My mom who works at the Hospital recently mentioned they had someone in her ward that was travelling along the motorway when the Kegworth 737 hit the car he was in. He was left with permanent brain damage.

I will never forget this crash  Sad



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User currently offlineBabaero From Philippines, joined Jan 2002, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

I THOUGHT THE 734 MISSED ALL TRAFFIC ON THE MOTORWAY...

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26806 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

According to this report no one was injured on the M1 itself, maybe it was one of the passengers she dealt with .

Quote''One set of wheels had fallen off but had landed in the central reservation of the motorway and the aircraft had broken off telegraph poles and trees in the field of Molehill Farm on the eastern side of the motorway. No vehicles on the motorway were hit and no-one travelling on the Ml was injured.''


http://www.digital-daydreams.com/kegworth/history/air_disaster.php


User currently offlineUPS707 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 11):
My stepdaughters were travelling down from Finningley the day this happened. As it was in the days before mobile phones were widely used, we were worried sick for a while until we heard from them. They missed it by about an hour luckily.

I missed this one myself by about 30-45 mins. I was headed from Aylesbury back up to Harrogate and got diverted off the M1. Switched on the radio to see what was going on and heard about the crash. If I remember correctly, I vaguely remember crossing the M1 on an overpass north of the crash site and being able to see the sea of lights etc working with the crash. Obviously I wasn't that close to the crash, but that's the closest I ever want to be to something like that.


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

Such a shame, I still find it unvbelievable what happened, I cannot believe the pilot shut down the wrong engine, and in the time it took them to restart it it was too late. I watched the ACI on thios crash, and I always wondered why they didnt restart the engine. Such a new a/c as well, I suppose it shows more than ever that crews must be properly trained on the a/c

User currently offlineMarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6304 times:

This accident, while tragic, yielded much research in aviation safety, including:
-Human factors design of cockpit instruments
-Crew resource management
-Brace positions and survival (and new recommendations on a "proper" brace position)
-Crash survivability (as this aircraft had newly designed passenger seats that met crash worthiness standards for that time)



Release your seat-belts and get out! Leave everything!
User currently offlineCardiffairtaxi From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6192 times:

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 17):

I know this crash had an outcry for passengers to report anything strange they see(i.e Fires etc.) rather than just assuming that the crew know about it.
Apparently nobody said a word to the cockpit!


User currently offlineEMAlad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

I remember being at Secondary School in Derby and hearing about the crash!! Was a shame for such a young plane to go down.

I am sure it will always stay in our minds, especially with it being 'local'.

18 years have gone by very fast! Sad


User currently offlineMarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6073 times:

Quoting Cardiffairtaxi (Reply 18):
Apparently nobody said a word to the cockpit!

The fact that the cabin crew said nothing-- even though the captain announced over the PA there was a fire in the engine other than the one the cabin was seeing flames come out of-- is frequently cited as an example for when CRM could have prevented the disaster.



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User currently offlineBFS From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 737 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5944 times:

Such a terrible disaster, I can't believe it was so long ago. I never realised that 2 of the cabin crew are now with BA - I can't imagine what it must've taken to come back and work on the same type of aircraft. I also count myself very lucky as my late father used to fly on the BD92 quite regularly back then.

May all those who perished rest in peace.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26806 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5921 times:

A friend of mine is from the same town in the Ards Peninsula in the North of Ireland as the pilot and knows the family, I feel sorry for them also.

User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5843 times:

There are still quite a few pax from that flight that still commute between LHR and BFS with Bmi. I did hear a rumour that Sir Michael Bishop gave them free tickets for life.

I know a guy who was on his 2nd ever flight as cabin crew and was working that flight. He was seated on one of the jumpseats in the tail section. He was trapped with a broken ankle in his seat for a number of hours as those small red thingies that hold the galley carts in all snapped on impact and all the carts fell out ontop of the crew members injuring and trapping them.

I remember once dispatching a flight he was travelling on as a passenger a number of years later. He came to the gate and was white as a sheet. He told me he had been for councelling that morning to be able to take the flight and had taken a few happy pills to help calm himself down. As he still worked for the airline, and knew the crew operating, they let him go onboard whilst the cabin was still being prepared so he could get used to being on the a/c again and calm himself down before all the other pax came on.

Everytime I pass that part of the M1 I always look at it, you can tell the spot where the a/c crashed as the shrubs and grass on the banking have never grown back properly.

Can't believe it is that long ago !!!.

RIP to those who didn't make it.

 Sad



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User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5809 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 23):
Can't believe it is that long ago !!!.

RIP to those who didn't make it.

Hear, hear.

I downloaded the PDF of the accident report many years ago. Without remembering the exact detail I recall that a misinterpreted engine vibration indicator was the initial cause which led to some level of confusion in the cockpit. The end result was that the wrong engine was shut down well before the accident happened. The crew then elected to divert to EMA and perform a single engine approach. While doing so the actual bad (still running) engine finally gave up. There simply wasn't enought time to start the good (not running) engine. That was my recollection, happy to be corrected of course but I think that was the general nature of it.


User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5781 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
It made me think of one advantage of bleedless systems: the cabin won't be contaminated by smoke from malfunctioning engines.

While technically true, that should not have had a bearing on this accident (one way or the other). The fact that the crew elected to shut down the right engine because of a smell in the cockpit, was in fact contradictory to what the vibration indicators were telling them. Although the vibration initially was minor, as I understand it the vibration indicator did show that it was coming from the left engine. What complicated the issue was that when the right engine was shutdown the vibration in the left engine appeared to the crew to stabilise which led them to believe that they had in fact shut down the correct engine. Interestingly I don't recall the accident report offering an explanation for this, I will have to read it again tonight.


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