Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3412 times:
Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter): Besides having order 10 787, it is looking for another 5, but may opt to split the order and go with Airbus this time.
What an impractical proposition.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
AndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3368 times:
We cannot assume that. Airbus might provide sufficient differentiation between the two airplanes to make it worth it for some airlines to have both in their fleet, witness SQ.
WA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2042 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3281 times:
If this is true, this would be a big victory for Airbus, because Ethiopian has historically been one of Boeing's best customers.
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3206 times:
I wouldn't rule that out. They have the 788 on order, they might combine it with A359 or A3510. 787 orders are mainly 788, I think there will be quite a few carriers combining them with the larger A350s, as there are many today that have 777 and A330/340.
KULatICT From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3174 times:
probably a way to make Boeing gives a nice discount...
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3084 times:
Quoting KULatICT (Reply 6): probably a way to make Boeing gives a nice discount...
Nail, meet hammer. I'd watch your head if I were you...
Seriously, Boeing needs to launch the 787-10 before yesterday if they want to avoid losing orders to the 359X.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Lamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 23 Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3072 times:
IIRC Ethopia is a poor, war-torn, famined country. How are they getting all these brand-new aircraft? And what for? People flee the place, no tourism to speak of really, I just don't get it.
TinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2943 times:
Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8): IIRC Ethopia is a poor, war-torn, famined country. How are they getting all these brand-new aircraft? And what for? People flee the place, no tourism to speak of really, I just don't get it.
You can say that about very many countries in the world who have great national carriers if you wanted. Bottom line is, the airline is a business that makes a profit like any other. Get over it........and people are not fleeing the Ethiopia.
Mptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2910 times:
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 3): We cannot assume that. Airbus might provide sufficient differentiation between the two airplanes to make it worth it for some airlines to have both in their fleet, witness SQ.
You cannot compare SQ with ET: the fleet sizes do not justify dual fleets... it is impractical and inefficient in terms of financial viability.....
Ethiopia is poor country as a whole, however, ET as an airline is well run, well managed company which in a business sense would be a hell of a lot better than the otherwise better known so called blue chips!!
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2822 times:
Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8): IIRC Ethopia is a poor, war-torn, famined country. How are they getting all these brand-new aircraft? And what for? People flee the place, no tourism to speak of really, I just don't get it.
Would you rather have people eating off the government dole or working and improving the economy? Your suggestion would have all industry in poor countries shut down and liquidated in order to feed people. What happens when you run out of money to buy food?
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
IcLCY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2780 times:
Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8): IIRC Ethopia is a poor, war-torn, famined country. How are they getting all these brand-new aircraft? And what for? People flee the place, no tourism to speak of really, I just don't get it.
It might not be Thailand, but there is plenty of tourist traffic willing to spend $$$ to see sights such as the Omo Valley, Lalibela, Simien Moutain region, etc
Famine - is yr TV tuned to the 1980's?
War torn? tiny pockets of activity on the Eritrean & Somali borders - hardly war torn.
Addis is an important hub from West to East/Southern Africa & onwards to Europe/Asia/USA
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6716 posts, RR: 65 Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8): IIRC Ethopia is a poor, war-torn, famined country. How are they getting all these brand-new aircraft? And what for? People flee the place, no tourism to speak of really, I just don't get it.
"Poor" - yes. "War-torn" - no. "Famined" - not most of the people most of the time. Parts of Ethiopia are green, lush and fertile.
Quoting IcLCY (Reply 12): Addis is an important hub from West to East/Southern Africa & onwards to Europe/Asia/USA
Indeed. Don't make the mistake of thinking that all traffic in and out of Addis Ababa is O&D. ET have worked hard to create a relatively attractive route network. Want to fly DAR-Rome? Go with LX via ZRH or with ET via Addis Ababa. It'll be cheaper on ET. When I lived in DAR the ET sales rep kept trying to get me to sign an Africa-wide deal on behalf of my company. It would have meant flying DAR-JNB via Ethiopia (!) so I didn't do it but for other routes it was feasible and cheap. I know people who flew DAR-BOM via Addis and so on...
That said, I'd be amazed to see ET order A350s! But recall that they took (and maybe still have) options on 777s so they think they need/want the capacity.
Dkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 692 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2380 times:
Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8): IIRC Ethopia is a poor, war-torn, famined country. How are they getting all these brand-new aircraft? And what for? People flee the place, no tourism to speak of really, I just don't get it.
That is such an ignorant comment.
As per the A350. Airbus officials were in ADD when the 380 visited in October. I think they might have reached a deal then. ET also had the Star 330 for six months. I think they were happy with the performance of the plane.
Lamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 23 Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2134 times:
Quoting Dkny (Reply 14):
That is such an ignorant comment.
Nothing bad about Ethopia as everybody is suddenly jumpingon my back! What I just want to know is if they'll have the traffic to fill such planes and i.f. the money to pay for them.
EbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2074 times:
Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 15): Nothing bad about Ethopia as everybody is suddenly jumpingon my back! What I just want to know is if they'll have the traffic to fill such planes and i.f. the money to pay for them.
That is a better way to ask the question than your last one. I suggest you ask the mods to delete your first post, for it sounded too ignorant for words. Just a thought.
Ethiopian is a great airline with a great history and have made Addis Ababa(that's the capital of Ethiopia) a maintenance centre of excellence in Northern Africa, if I recall. The country produces some quite brilliant engineers as a result of this.
Be great for Airbus, that is one African customer that would be great to bag!
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3254 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2026 times:
Quoting Dkny (Reply 14): As per the A350. Airbus officials were in ADD when the 380 visited in October. I think they might have reached a deal then. ET also had the Star 330 for six months. I think they were happy with the performance of the plane.
I was wondering if they were going to take a couple of A388s!
FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1896 times:
Dkny , thanks for your comment.Please keep us informed (if you can) about the future negociation between Airbus and ET.
In another way , do you know if the A330 ET leased from Star , had small ET stickers , even small ones.........Thanks.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9074 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1787 times:
Quoting KULatICT (Reply 6): probably a way to make Boeing gives a nice discount...
You beat me to it. This looks like a way to get a better deal from Boeing, nothing more.
Quoting Mptpa (Reply 10): You cannot compare SQ with ET: the fleet sizes do not justify dual fleets... it is impractical and inefficient in terms of financial viability.....
Again, very well said. ET cannot be compared to SQ as these two airlines are totally different in size and financial position. ET is a small airline where operating two different aircraft types in the same category does not make any sense. I think ET is just trying to put more pressure on Boeing and especially the larger 787-10.
Abrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 55 Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1769 times:
Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8): IIRC Ethopia is a poor, war-torn, famined country. How are they getting all these brand-new aircraft? And what for? People flee the place, no tourism to speak of really, I just don't get it.
= In his defense, how many people from Ethiopia know much about Venezuela ... HOWEVER, Addis Ababa is an extremely efficient transit airport and is as modern (if not more) than our new CCS. Service on board ET is probably significantly higher than anything in the Americas ... ok, TAM might come close.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9074 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1662 times:
Quoting Gbfra (Reply 21): If it is "nothing more" than to get a better deal with Boeing, why should Boeing offer a better deal?
This kind of reasoning doesn't make any sense unless you assume the Boeing people are lunatics. But they certainely aren't.
It has nothing to do with being lunatic, but simple buying techniques. If you want product A but the price is higher (compared to when the product first came out) you "go" for the competing product to get a better deal for the initial product to want, in this case the 787. If you see a loyal customer showing interest in any competing product what do you do, you try to win them back by offering a (slightly) better deal.
There are a number of airlines who use the "I will buy Airbus (or Boeing)" talk to get a better deal from the competing aircraft manufacturer (Boeing or Airbus). So this kind of reasoning does make sense. I too hope ET will go for the A350 but I think the chances of them actually ordering the A350 is (very) small.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6716 posts, RR: 65 Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1652 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 23): If you want product A but the price is higher (compared to when the product first came out) you "go" for the competing product to get a better deal for the initial product to want, in this case the 787. If you see a loyal customer showing interest in any competing product what do you do, you try to win them back by offering a (slightly) better deal.
I think we all understand how it works but the threat to buy the competitor's aircraft has to be credible. BA, for example, could convincingly play off Airbus and Boeing against each other for a big narrowbody order but does Boeing seriously think that ET might jump ship and buy A350s? Who's bluffing whom? If I were Boeing I'd sit tight and call ET's bluff. I very much doubt that I'd end up regretting it...
25 A388: You are right. This is the other side of the story. I also don't see ET going for the A350. Even so I wouldn't be just sitting for this order but kee
26 Dkny: The 330 had the 60th anniversary sticker on one side of the plane. That was the only thing it had showing ET.
30 DfwRevolution: I seriously doubt that Ethiopian will actually order the A350. This seems very much like a negotiation tactic and nothing more. They are a well run ai
32 ETStar: Quite the contrary. Finding a seat into ADD in the last few weeks had been tough, even given the current happenings down in Somalia. I was also surpr
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... HOWEVER, Addis Ababa is an extremely efficient transit airport and is as modern (if not more) than our new CCS. Service on board ET is probably significantly higher than anything in the Americas ... ok, TAM might come close.
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