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SAN-TIJ Shuttle And New Flight To Cabo  
User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1790 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

When Volaris started their shuttle service from TIJ to SAN, OK not really SAN but the Santa Fe train depot in downtown San Diego a 5 minute drive from SAN; I was sure they would soon start services from TIJ to other more apealling destinations to potential passengers north of the border.......and sure enough TIJ-SJD service is to start on February 8th, with fares of about $250RT with all taxes included, does anyone know the loads of AM's SAN-SJD service? are we to see a fare drop on this route from AM? would SAN travellers be willing to take the shuttle to TIJ in order to save some money?

www.volaris.com.mx

[Edited 2007-01-09 00:46:20]


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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6501 times:

Quoting Marcus (Thread starter):
When Volaris started their shuttle service from TIJ to SAN, OK not really SAN but the Santa Fe train depot in downtown San Diego a 5 minute drive from SAN; I was sure they would soon start services from TIJ to other more apealling destinations to potential passengers north of the border.......and sure enough TIJ-SJD service is to start on February 8th, with fares of about $250RT with all taxes included, does anyone know the loads of AM's SAN-SJD service? are we to see a fare drop on this route from AM? would SAN travellers be willing to take the shuttle to TIJ in order to save some money?

San Diego pax have no interest in using the TJ airport in a meaningful way. There was a survey done on this about a year ago.


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

Quoting Marcus (Thread starter):
would SAN travellers be willing to take the shuttle to TIJ in order to save some money?

Airline passengers are notoriously cheap. If they can get what they think is a cheap fare, they will ignore the costs of time and travel to a distant airport in order to save $10.

Get used to TIJ. San Diegans need to and will get over their predjudices. Viva mis compadres Mexicanos! TIJ is San Diego's additional, not replacement, airport of the future.


User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 602 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6297 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 2):
Airline passengers are notoriously cheap. If they can get what they think is a cheap fare, they will ignore the costs of time and travel to a distant airport in order to save $10.

However, once they realize that they have to buy a $20 interior Mex visa (which is generally included in fares from SAN) before they can leave TIJ for SJD - it may not seem so attractive after all.

The problem with the Volaris scenario is the person who lives in Encinitas will have to drive (and park) at Santa Fe station (where do you do this?). Then take the dedicated Volaris bus to TIJ airport. Those two steps will result in a lot more time it takes to drive and park at SAN and then step on the plane.

On the way home, you will arrive at TIJ, wait for the bus. Bus goes through border crossing, you get off schlep your bags from the bus walk through the immigration / customs turnstyle and then get back on the bus to arrive at Santa Fe station to get your car to drive back to Encinitas. This is BIG hassle to the average Cabo pax.

I am not saying you won't get some people taking it, but it requires Volaris invest money in educating the average SAN passenger how the process works and the process is more complex than the average pax is willing to learn.



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User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 602 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

Loads on SAN-SJD as follows:

Annual LFs...

Alaska: 79% (includes some through pax)
Aeromexico: 78%
America West: 71%



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

Vey important month for Volaris. in January 2007, Volaris takes delivery of 8 Airbuses. They will increase services on excisting routes and open new routes. Starting to look like Volaris will become the premier LCC airline in Mexico.

Its usually the Mexican inmigrants who drive to TIJ for a cheaper fare.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6172 times:

It will be interesting to see how the TIJ-SJD flight does. Seems to me that's the first such service (or at least the first in quite some time) so apparently AM didn't see much potential for it.

I don't think it will pull much away from the SAN flights. I used to have many clients who would regularly make their way to LAX for flights (both domestic and int'l) that were slightly less than from SAN but very few would want to deal with the int'l border crossing unless they had to (i.e., the only flights to their destination in Mexico were from TIJ.)

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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 6137 times:
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Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 2):
Get used to TIJ. San Diegans need to and will get over their predjudices. Viva mis compadres Mexicanos! TIJ is San Diego's additional, not replacement, airport of the future.

Given the fact that the US Government will require a passport to enter the US...will that affect this approach, since it's another pain in the butt process on the burden of passengers?


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
Given the fact that the US Government will require a passport to enter the US...will that affect this approach

No. We put up with government requirements every day of our life. If people
don't have the where with all or organizational ability to get a passport before a trip, then I don't have much sympathy. Travel to most parts of the world and you're constantly whipping out your passport. If the demand and need develops at TIJ, market forces will do what it takes to make it work and be accessible....and get the money flowing.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7575 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6041 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 1):
San Diego pax have no interest in using the TJ airport in a meaningful way.

If a San Diego passenger needs to fly to a city within Mexico that is not served non-stop from SAN by AM, but that is served non-stop from TIJ by Volaris or A Volar, I am sure he/she will opt to cross the border to TIJ and take the Volaris or A Volar flight. The other options are probably less appealing and definitely more expensive: flying SAN-LAX-XXX, SAN-DFW-XXX, SAN-IAH-XXX or SAN-MEX-XXX.

On the other hand, someone wondered if this might steal sales from AM's flights to SAN and I am sure this is the case. Many people I know don't mind flying to TIJ where they take a cab or have a driver waiting for them to take them to SAN.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 2):
Get used to TIJ. San Diegans need to and will get over their predjudices. Viva mis compadres Mexicanos! TIJ is San Diego's additional, not replacement, airport of the future.



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 8):
No. We put up with government requirements every day of our life. If people
don't have the where with all or organizational ability to get a passport before a trip, then I don't have much sympathy. Travel to most parts of the world and you're constantly whipping out your passport. If the demand and need develops at TIJ, market forces will do what it takes to make it work and be accessible....and get the money flowing.

You're really out of touch on this issue. Enjoy your sustainable two airport SAN and Miramar airport system in 20 years.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
If a San Diego passenger needs to fly to a city within Mexico that is not served non-stop from SAN by AM, but that is served non-stop from TIJ by Volaris or A Volar, I am sure he/she will opt to cross the border to TIJ and take the Volaris or A Volar flight. The other options are probably less appealing and definitely more expensive: flying SAN-LAX-XXX, SAN-DFW-XXX, SAN-IAH-XXX or SAN-MEX-XXX.

AM will add flights to SAN which will be a deterant. AM can draw higher yields from SAN and going across the border to save a buck or two isn't worth the time and energy spent to the US traveler.

[Edited 2007-01-09 22:46:54]

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

TIJ has flights to virtually all parts of Mexico, so for those Americans flying to the interior (to places not served from SAN), TIJ is a very viable option.

But for those travelling to the beaches of Puerta Vallarta or San Jose del Cabo, SAN will be the preferred option. Why? The joy of crossing the border at San Ysidro or Otay mesa. Into Mexico isn't usually a huge back-up (unless it's a holiday weekend), but coming back is usually a nightmare.

Unless there's a VERY significant cost savings for tourists, don't expect to see throngs of tourists at TIJ.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7575 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5929 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 10):
AM will add flights to SAN which will be a deterant. AM can draw higher yields from SAN

Will they really? I think their strategy at SAN has been rather erratic up until now, and I do not think they have big plans for that station. If they want to grow in the U.S. there are several other cities that offer better prospects. I think we will continue to see seasonal non-stop service between MEX and SAN (not daily) plus flights originating in MEX with stopovers at SJD and PVR... that's it.

Of all the battles that AM has to fight against Mexican low cost carriers, SAN does not seem to be one they want to spend energy on.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

Unfortunately, I don't think SAN can ever count on any consistency out of AM -- hasn't happened in the past and I don't count on it in the future. Here we are in the dead of winter (I can tell 'cause the temp in SAN dropped below 70 the other day!) and where is AM's PVR flight? Loreto? Service disappeared during 2006, as did the MEX n/s (it barely reappeared before the year ended and appears to be gone again just in time for Spring...)

The one bright ray has been SJD (which, coincidentally, AM does NOT serve from TIJ) flying daily now for many years. Plus, they go head-to-head with AS's daily shot and, well who knows, HP/US and their rapidly disappearing entry into the SAN-Mexico market. And I again say that I don't think the Volaris service out of TIJ will affect anything from SAN.

So out of all of the Mexican market possibilities, there is one that has real competition with both a US and a Mexican carrier flying daily and with very decent loads. But not MEX, not GDL, not PVR, not MZT. Go figure...

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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5887 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):
Will they really? I think their strategy at SAN has been rather erratic up until now, and I do not think they have big plans for that station.

Stay tuned.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7575 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 14):
Stay tuned.

It will be a very pleasant and welcome surprise if AM designs and implements a more aggressive -but especially a winning- strategy at SAN. I will indeed stay tuned Boeing7E7... and you keep us informed of any info you come across please! Sadly, many of us are skeptic and we believe AM will conform itself with being a niche player as SANFan eloquently put it.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 602 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5798 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
Loreto?

The SAN-LTO route has been transferred to Aerolitoral. They had to go through the bureaucratic process of switching the authority from Aeromexico to Aerolitoral with the DOT. They should be inserting ERJ service into schedule soon. But then again - who knows when?



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User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1790 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5683 times:

I agree that getting accross the border is a pain in the a$$ most of the time, so this is definetly a deterrent for people from SAN to use TIJ......but everytime I fly out of TIJ (every 2 weeks) I not only see the locals and Mexicans living in the US using the airport, but the number of US nationals is definetly more than what it used to be.

I guess we will see how the loads turn out on this route, maybe Volaris is going after the local TIJ market and not neccesarily the SAN, since there are no TIJ-SJD flights only SAN-SJD, locals from TIJ do not really visit SJD that often, people preffer to go to MZT, CUN and PVT.

$10US for a RT ticket TIJ-SJD..............not bad at all.

[Edited 2007-01-10 17:28:31]


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User currently offlinePtugarin From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

Off-topic, but figured it's better to ask here than start another thread:
I am planning a road trip TIJ - MEX, and then would like to fly MEX - CUN, should I book my flight now (for March 14) or wait until I am in Mexico? Looks like fares are between 130 (Aerolineas Azteca) and 200 (Aeromexico) right now.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7575 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

Are those numbers for one-way or return flights? In any case, book now! Check out Volaris and Interjet ex-TLC too.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1790 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

It.....WAS.......RT, I logged in again and the seats at that rate already ran out......it is now back to $250RT with all taxes included.

I will go and kick myself in the head now.....don't wait up.



Kids!....we are going to the happiest place on earth...TIJUANA! signed: Krusty the Clown
User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5586 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 14):
Stay tuned.

Aw, come on now 7E7, that's not fair!  crying  It sure sounds like you know something. As Eddie said, please keep us all informed as soon as you can.

Seriously, as I've commented before here on A.net, there are many disappointments in the SD aviation scene. But to me, the poor, sketchy Mexican service history has been amongst the worst.

Since the days of Western's beautiful daily 720B n/s to MEX (at least into the early 80s), our service to Mexico has had lots of potential but little else. When I think of SEA and its gateway status to Alaska and the Orient and Florida as a Caribbean gateway, I keep wondering how those in charge of marketing and route procurement (at the Port District and/or Lindbergh) let Mexico completely get away!

I realize we've had TIJ as competition, the geography is different than the examples mentioned above, and of course there's always the LAX-factor, but still, we should have more to show than we do today. There is, after all, a huge Hispanic population in SD and the int'l border crossing, especially these days, is at best an inconvenience, at worst, a nightmare -- real in many cases and just perceived in others -- which a LOT of people just don't want to deal with.

7E7, you've given me a bit of hope that some of this is going to be fixed. All I ask is for someone (Mexican cx, US cx, or both?) start something decent with reasonable pricing, and just give it a chance! If it still doesn't work, OK, at least a real attempt was made and I was just wrong...

7E7, this is me staying tuned:  hyper 

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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
course there's always the LAX-factor

this is a huge factor. Cheaper fares and many more choices, its worth the 2 hour drive.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5533 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 22):
Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
course there's always the LAX-factor...

This is a huge factor. Cheaper fares and many more choices, its worth the 2 hour drive.

Absolutely correct, Juventus. My point is that it wasn't always that way; years ago SAN should have worked harder to get a lot of those flights from Lindbergh instead. (Altho I think that 2 hour drive is dangerously close to a 3 hour drive these days PLUS parking, PLUS 2-3 hour advance check-in...)  Wink

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