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TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!  
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13728 times:

Figured I'd share this NYT article with you, dated June 21, 1989. If only? Some model companies (Schabak in particular) actually produced models, I've got one, a -300 version.

COMPANY NEWS; Engines to T.W.A. From Rolls-Royce
AP

LEAD: Rolls-Royce P.L.C. announced that Trans World Airlines Inc. had chosen its most powerful long-haul engine to power recently ordered Airbus A330 airliners in a deal worth more than $620 million. T.W.A. has agreed to buy 20 of the A330 aircraft and has an option to buy 20 more, making it the largest

Rolls-Royce P.L.C. announced that Trans World Airlines Inc. had chosen its most powerful long-haul engine to power recently ordered Airbus A330 airliners in a deal worth more than $620 million. T.W.A. has agreed to buy 20 of the A330 aircraft and has an option to buy 20 more, making it the largest A330 order to date, worth up to $4 billion.

T.W.A. is scheduled to take delivery of the planes in late 1994. The contract between T.W.A. and Airbus Industrie, the European consortium, was signed today. The aircraft-engine combination is likely to be used on longer A330 flights over the Atlantic, Rolls-Royce said.


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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States, joined Apr 2000, 6726 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13697 times:
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Great historical reference though!


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User currently offlineGreenguy01 From United States, joined Aug 2003, 233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13555 times:

Just imagine what a TWA A330 would look like flying the Parkway visual into JFK.

Does anyone have a rendering of the A330 in TWA colors?

[Edited 2007-01-09 02:04:27]


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User currently offlinePM From Japan, joined Feb 2005, 5087 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13443 times:

I remember reading it at the time. Got all excited. Never happened...  Sad

User currently offlineUltrapig From United States, joined Dec 2003, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13366 times:

I remembered when it happened-and knew at the time (as most did) that these orders were about as solid as the Primarus 787 orders

User currently offlineFalstaff From United States, joined Jun 2006, 3633 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13278 times:
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TWA paint on a A330. That would be cool. I think that is a cool looking plane and I thought the last TWA scheme was the best. Too bad things never worked out.

On another TWA never was note. In one of the scenes in Burt Lancaster's office in "Airport" there is model of a TWA SST. That would be a cool model to have.


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User currently offlineJeremy From United States, joined May 2001, 640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13203 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Some model companies (Schabak in particular) actually produced models, I've got one, a -300 version.

I have that one also, along with a Continental A-340.

It would have been great to see both of those become a reality.


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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States, joined Nov 1999, 2874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12960 times:

I have the A330 TWA in schabak too, but it was the Old colors  Smile


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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12929 times:

I should show you my early 90's books on aviation fleets, that is a sight to behold. It show EK with 12 airplanes only, the NW WB orders, Cargolux with only 8 747s, etc.

User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States, joined Apr 2001, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12761 times:

I have great photorealistic renderings of both the TWA A330 and the DC-10. Obviously, both are in the old color scheme, because the new one would not be introduced until 1996, whereas the Airbus order dates back to 1989, and the marketing of the DC-10 to the seventies. Some day, when I have more time on my hands (and a decent scanner), I'll put them online.

The A330 pic was issued by Rolls Royce, the DC-10 pic by McDonnell Douglas. Back in the seventies, when TWA was in the market for a mid-sized widebody, MDD created the pic as part of of a marketing effort, to pitch the DC-10 against the L-1011 - to no avail, as we all know. Nonetheless, the pic looks great.

Btw, the TWA SST exists as a model - in the twin globe c/s.



User currently offlineIFlyTWA From United States, joined Jan 2007, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12668 times:

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 9):

I would love to see those photos once you have to time to put them up.


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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States, joined Jun 2005, 2017 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12641 times:
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Quoting Jeremy (Reply 6):
I have that one also, along with a Continental A-340.

Hey, me 2, I've got both of them as well! And when I visited the AA Flight Academy, I was in Chief Pilot Cecil Ewell's office, and he had a model of an A340 in AA colors! I was like, whoa! This was about 10 years ago.

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User currently offlineSnn2003 From United States, joined May 2001, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12642 times:

Couldent find an A330 but I found an A340


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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States, joined Oct 2006, 1056 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12064 times:

R. E. G. Davies' book about TWA, TWA - an Airline and its Aircraft, has great illustrations by Mike Machat of the Concorde and Boeing SST in the "double globe" scheme, and a Caravelle in the 707 delivery scheme, with the red arrow cheat line, but with plain TWA (no globe) on the rudder.


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User currently offlineSan747 From United States, joined Dec 2004, 3826 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11387 times:



An MSFS A330-200 in TWA colors... Best thing I found...


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User currently offlineSRforever From Switzerland, joined Dec 2006, 93 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10751 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 7):
I have the A330 TWA in schabak too, but it was the Old colors

same here, seem to be quite a few of us  Wink

User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 2228 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10600 times:

I remember when I was a kid seeing a news clip in the UK about TWA having ordered A330s. I was only about 9 or 10 but I've always remembered it - especially as I never heard any other reference to it since, until this post.

User currently offlineZschocheImages From United States, joined Sep 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8107 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Some model companies (Schabak in particular) actually produced models, I've got one, a -300 version.

Schabak tends to make many models right after an order is placed rather than waiting until delivery. I have an NWA 330 from the first order back in the 90's. There are quite a few others that I have seen that never came to be


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User currently offlineTexan From United States, joined Dec 2003, 3440 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7561 times:

One of my former professors was also TWA's Chief Pilot for the 767. When the A330 deal was announced, he was the first TW pilot to be sent to France to receive training. He was checked out in it and rearing to go when Icahn pulled the plug on the deal. Oh what could have been...

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[Edited 2007-01-09 20:05:52]


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User currently offlineCba From United States, joined Jul 2000, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6884 times:

Quoting Jeremy (Reply 6):
I have that one also, along with a Continental A-340.

Continental did have solid orders for the A340, however when Gordon Bethune (former Boeing man) took over the company, he nixed those and opted to wait for the triple 7.

User currently offlineJuniorSpotter From Sweden, joined Mar 2004, 224 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

TWA A330 in red cheat-line livery, anyone?




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User currently offlineSparkingWave From Korea, joined Jun 2005, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

Wow. That would have been great - a TWA A330. I wonder if TWA had actually acquired them, then would it still be around today?

Fuel for thought,

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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom (England), joined Apr 2005, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

At the time the A330 was by no means a runaway success, and RR were desperate for customers to stay in the big fan business! I bet TWA got a good price from both  Wink


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States, joined Jul 2003, 6586 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4826 times:
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TWA still had 20 A330's on order, along with 50 A318's according to Airliners Magazine in the Sept/Oct 1999 issue. It states a delivery date on May of 2003 for the first of the A330's. Obviously, AA cancelled orders for both aircraft as well as the remaining 717's..


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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 21):
Wow. That would have been great - a TWA A330. I wonder if TWA had actually acquired them, then would it still be around today?

I think that the A330 would have caused more problems for TWA. Those early A330s don't exactly have the best range, Aer Lingus can get theirs from Dublin to Chicago but thats about the furthest. Considering that in 1989 TWA had a much larger transatlantic network too with many cities probably just out of A330 range (Athens, Tel Aviv).

Personally I would have thought the 767-300 would have made more sense for TWA (actually didn't they end up getting some in the nineties) since they already had 767-200s

User currently offlineJunction From United States, joined Mar 2005, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
dated June 21, 1989

I didn't even know the A330 was ready for orders that long ago. Airlines still make a big deal when they put one in service today (NW & BR come to mind).

26 JumboBumbo: Looks like one of their L-1011's sans number 2 engine, plus winglets.
27 CirrusDriver: I seem to remember that TWA was pretty serious about an A320 order as well.....Anyone else?
28 AirEMS: You have to love the classic colors of a great airline! I however would have loved to have seen a TWA or a PanAM 772 or 773 or even a 787 that would
29 SFOtraveler: I thought they had converted the A330 order that had been deferred indefinitely to A318s at some point.
30 WesternA318: The A330 order was changed to the 50 confirmed A318 and 100 A320 family options order when Compton came on as CEO. TWA and Frontier were to be the lau
31 DETA737: TWA kept on deferring the orders due to its bankruptcies. By 1988 they had overtaken Pan Am across the Atlantic as the largest carrier and were lookin
32 Post contains images AirEMS: I wonder if Juan Trippe rolled over in his grave when that happened? I'm also guessing that Howard Hughes got out of his grave and took a wizz on Jua
33 Post contains links and images MP: TWA A330-200 in the company colours from 2001.
34 AA717driver: The sole reason for the 330 order was to show that Icahn was indeed serious about running an airline. It was all for show. We knew at the time that th
35 ClassicLover: Aer Lingus fly them non-stop from DUB-LAX and return. I've been on board, and it's a daily service, so I don't know what you're on about...
36 Delta717: Keyword...early.
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