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Airbus Studying Up To 40 A32x/Month  
User currently offlineN1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 560 posts, RR: 17
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5286 times:

According to the Handelsblatt, Airbus is looking at boosting A32x production to 40 a month.

Link to the article in German.

http://www.handelsblatt.com/news/Unt...ergattert-milliardenauftraege.html

-n1786b

[Edited 2007-01-09 10:14:07]

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User currently offlineIvo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5265 times:

In a few years, the 3th assembly line in China will produce at least 4 a month.
So they have to raise production in Europe from 31 to 36 a month.

could be done IMO.

Ivo


User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5233 times:

nice. We will have the market flooded with A320. that will bring up to 480 airbuses a year (only A320 family)

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

Quoting N1786b (Thread starter):
According to the Handelsblatt, Airbus is looking at boosting A32x production to 40 a month.

This information isn't really new, as it has been publicly available for the past two months.

From my understanding, Airbus will be producing 40 frames per month from 2009 and beyond.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5224 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 2):
nice. We will have the market flooded with A320. that will bring up to 480 airbuses a year (only A320 family)

Do note that many A32X are reaching 20 years of service soon. With Airbus increasing production now they are taking advantage of the airline that wish to renew it's NB fleet.

Many of the older A32X will end up being converted into Cargo Freighters from 2011.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3403 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

IIRC I aggree with you wings - this was talked about a while ago - if we assume a 20 working day month this will mean two new narrow bodies will take to the skys every day!

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

"Airbus To Ramp Up A320 Output; But No Plans To Go To 40/Mo"

Quote:
PARIS (Dow Jones)--Airbus said Tuesday it aims to increase production of its single-aisle A320 aircraft to 36 a month, but that it has no plans to push monthly output as high as 40 planes.

A spokesman for the European aircraft maker said its production rate of 30 per month is being stepped up to 34 by the end of this year and to 36 sometime after the beginning of 2008.

The comments follow a report in German business daily Handelsblatt earlier Tuesday saying Airbus is considering expanding production of the A320 to 40 aircraft a month...

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20070109-703183.html


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 6):
"Airbus To Ramp Up A320 Output; But No Plans To Go To 40/Mo"

Quote:
PARIS (Dow Jones)--Airbus said Tuesday it aims to increase production of its single-aisle A320 aircraft to 36 a month, but that it has no plans to push monthly output as high as 40 planes.

A spokesman for the European aircraft maker said its production rate of 30 per month is being stepped up to 34 by the end of this year and to 36 sometime after the beginning of 2008.

The comments follow a report in German business daily Handelsblatt earlier Tuesday saying Airbus is considering expanding production of the A320 to 40 aircraft a month...

The article fails to mention the Chinese plant which will be capable of producing 4 frames per month in 2010, which will give the A32X an output of 40 frames per month.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4960 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
The article fails to mention the Chinese plant which will be capable of producing 4 frames per month in 2010, which will give the A32X an output of 40 frames per month.

I don't speak German. Was the article in Handelsblatt including the nascent "Chinese" capacity in their estimate, or were they only projecting production from the European assembly lines? The reaction of the Airbus spokesman to the Handelsblatt article reported in the WSJ would seem to suggest the latter.


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4913 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 8):

I don't speak German. Was the article in Handelsblatt including the nascent "Chinese" capacity in their estimate, or were they only projecting production from the European assembly lines? The reaction of the Airbus spokesman to the Handelsblatt article reported in the WSJ would seem to suggest the latter.

Hi Leelaw, Well I was actually referring to the report that you provided us. It would seem that the Airbus Spokesman was only referring to the European division, while the German article may be commenting on both the capacity of the European/Chinese assembly lines.

If the German article is in fact reporting 40 frames per month for the Euro/China plant's then they are correct. I have never heard of Airbus intentions on increasing it's Toulouse/Hamburg lines to 40 monthly. What we have heard was 36 frames which the Airbus spokesman has reaffirmed.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12970 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 2):
nice. We will have the market flooded with A320. that will bring up to 480 airbuses a year (only A320 family)

It appears they have the orders in hand to support that rate. There's still a lot of old iron plying the skies, and lots of growth waiting to be filled. Of course there is also some degree of speculation, but I imagine that's being factored in as well.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4631 times:
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Are the A319/A321 production plant running at full capacity too? I'm surprised Airbus hasn't tried to convince buyers to buy, say, 10 A321 instead of 15 A320. A 200-seat A321 ought to have great CASM while offering a small premium cabin and still have a decent Y seat pitch, as opposed to the A320's 180 seats at 29 inches...


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User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

All Airbus 318, 319, 320, and 321 are produced on the same line. Currently they have two lines - one in Hamburg, one in France. They are planning to open up a 3rd line in China. So the same spot in production is used whichever model is produced.

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3403 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 12):
All Airbus 318, 319, 320, and 321 are produced on the same line. Currently they have two lines - one in Hamburg, one in France. They are planning to open up a 3rd line in China. So the same spot in production is used whichever model is produced.

According to their website:

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/people/centres_of_excellence/

the A320 is assembled in Toulouse and the A318/19/21 in Hamburg


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31433 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4458 times:
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Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 12):
All Airbus 318, 319, 320, and 321 are produced on the same line. Currently they have two lines - one in Hamburg, one in France. They are planning to open up a 3rd line in China. So the same spot in production is used whichever model is produced.

The Toulouse line produces only the A320.

The Hamburg line produces only the A318, A319 and A321.

The Chinese line will produce only the A320 (at least to start).

There is talk of sending Toulouse's A320 production to Hamburg to allow the A350X or the A380 to be produced entirely in Toulouse.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12897 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4456 times:
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Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 13):
the A320 is assembled in Toulouse and the A318/19/21 in Hamburg

Indeed final assembly is split that way (for now). However, if the A320 line in TLS was at maximum capacity and the A318/19/21 line in XFW wasn't, Airbus would, in theory, have the option of pumping out a few A320s at XFW.

All it needs is the agreement of some French unions! duck 



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User currently offlineJessedachipo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

i think they should raise the production in hamburg from 5 units to 8 in the same time perspective. considering the work force and investments made by Airbus it should not be a problem, besides it probably would help gain more orders from the clients that depends on that type of building lines, IMHO.

User currently offlinePygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 969 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

It must be expensice to keep 2 plants building the A320 family (3 if you add China). Boeing, IIRC, builds 30+ in one plant. Doesn't having multiple plants add to the fixed cost structure? How can that be efficient?

User currently offlineJessedachipo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

well, u gotta look at the rate of numbers produced.... Smile....not just the base expense.

User currently offlineIvo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Jessedachipo,

Hamburg production in 2005 was:

9 x A318
142 x A319
17 x A321

Total: 168 = 14 units a month.


Ivo


User currently offlineJessedachipo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

Quoting Ivo (Reply 19):
Jessedachipo,

Hamburg production in 2005 was:

9 x A318
142 x A319
17 x A321

Total: 168 = 14 units a month.


Ivo

thanks for the update vio. what can you say about the figures? well, IMO there is room for slightly higher numbers in 07. but the management of the lines involved must be convinced that its possible and that it wont, at all, increase the financial risk, its a tough call for airbus.

but the numbers is rather good right now.


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7198 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Quoting Jessedachipo (Reply 16):
It must be expensice to keep 2 plants building the A320 family (3 if you add China). Boeing, IIRC, builds 30+ in one plant. Doesn't having multiple plants add to the fixed cost structure? How can that be efficient?

That's what you get when politicians instead of businessmen are calling the shots. Sounds like Airbus will get their production ramped up just in time to meet Y1.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31433 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4206 times:
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Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 17):
It must be expensice to keep 2 plants building the A320 family (3 if you add China). Boeing, IIRC, builds 30+ in one plant. Doesn't having multiple plants add to the fixed cost structure? How can that be efficient?

I am sure it is, but I admit I am not familar with the A320 plant to TLS and whether or not it could accept a second line, which would have made more since then opening an entire plant at XFW.

However, I do believe Hamburg and Germany did exert pressure to open XFW, so even if TLS had the space...


User currently offlineIvo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

I did hear somewhere that Hamburg's max capacity was 17 a month,
but I'm not sure. The suppliers have to ramp up production also.
So it's not only the lines.


Ivo


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4152 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 22):

IIRC, final assembly at XFW is done in one large assembly hall "on the slant," while final assembly of the A320 at TLS is done in 4-5 separate assembly bays similar to the method employed on the A380. I'm not sure what the capacity of each final assembly operation is or which technique is considered more efficient.


25 Post contains links Gaut : According to the French website Bousorama, Airbus will increase the A32X production from 30 airplanes per month to 34 at end of 2007 and to 36 in 2008
26 Art : I wonder if the assembly line in China wil not prove to be a very useful addition to A320 production. I imagine that current production is limited by
27 Stitch : Those unions will probably ensure that the Chinese plant produces A320s exclusively for the Chinese domestic airline market and will not allow that l
28 Revelation : Yes, since those Chinese factories get their fuselages from France, the French unions have a lot of leverage.
29 Leelaw : IIRC, most of the fuselage sub-assemblies for the A32X program are now manufactured on a moving line in a fairly new (opened in late-2005) purpose-bu
30 AirbusA6 : We know the A318 is a slow seller. but it is interesting how poorly the A321 seems to be selling when compared with the A319 and A320...
31 Rheinbote : Right, during 2006 the Finkenwerder plant has commenced a moving line in single-aisle final assembly an a flow line in single-aisle fuselage section
32 Post contains images Dazeflight : In 2009? Dream on.
33 WINGS : Well it does seem that the A321 suffered a decrease in production, although you may be surprised to know that from January- November 2006 Airbus had
34 AirbusA6 : Thanks, I jumped to a bit of a strong conclusion there (!) though the relatively slow sales of the A321/739/739ER does show that the optimum sport fo
35 Scbriml : Really depends on your definition of slow. In the last two years Boeing has sold 99 739ERs but no 739s (excluding BBJs) and Airbus has sold 207* A321
36 Stitch : I tend to believe that, like the 772A and 773A, the 739's days are over and all future sales will be of the ER model.
37 AirbusA6 : I only say slow in comparison with the STAGGERING level of orders for the 73G/738/A319/A320!
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