AndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2524 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10424 times:
CNN here in the US is now saying 3 killed, 27 hurt. It was an An26, they are saying it had difficulties during descent, no mention of hostile fire. It dropped off radar 60 miles from Baghdad.
ATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 654 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10331 times:
As an ex-Baghdad controller I can tell you that this is no easy place to work traffic. I'm not sure what equipment they have there now, but the TPN-19 that was in place when I was there was very unreliable and non-radar procedures were used quite often. My sympathies to the victims families...seems like a bad year thus far for aviation accidents.
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 52 Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10184 times:
this is sad, apparently the owner of the turkish business that chartered the a/c to fly there was onboard, they went around once because of fog and minimums, and they fell short on their second attempt....
i got some info from some turkish authorities who have seen the load sheet, that there may have been a shortage of fuel onboard for the second approach, whereas another one of my friends talked about CFIT....
it's amazing how information varies....
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3533 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10022 times:
Terrible news.
It seems to be a Moldavian plane. Crew of 5: 1 Russian, 1 Ukrainian, 3 Moldavian. 1 American among the the pax, also 29 Turkish workers.
May them all rest in peace.
Nema From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 637 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9427 times:
Quoting A342 (Reply 9): Well, at least some parts of the fuselage seem to be fairly intact
Which surprises me in the number of fatalities. Looking at this picture and not knowing the reports one would expect to survive from this. My thoughts are with the families as i am sure all a.netters are.
There isnt really a dark side to the moon, as a matter of fact its all dark!
It seems like the plane is not badly broken up, no signs of a big fire. It is hard to understand why there are not many more survivors.
It turns out that this photo is from another, same aircraft type, crash at AYT in 2002 of a flight originated in Egypt (No fatalities on that crash). The Turkish press used the photo without much research, which happens all the time. So, no photos yet.
Curlyheadboy From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 915 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9240 times:
News are very confusing at this time, as another guy said earlier in the thread there are reports of the aircraft being downed by one or more missiles, or RPGs, and maybe not in the vicinity of Baghdad... we have to wait fore more reliable sources, methinks...
If God had wanted men to fly he would have given them more money...
MH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1517 posts, RR: 30 Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8886 times:
CNN reported this:
"At least 30 Turkish workers have been killed and two others injured in a plane crash near an airport north of Baghdad, Turkey's foreign ministry told CNN.
The plane, reported to be an Antonov-26 operated by a company based in Moldova, went down in heavy fog on Tuesday morning about two and a half kilometers (1.6 miles) northwest of Balad, the ministry said.
It had departed from Adana, Turkey at about 6 a.m. (7 a.m. Baghdad time) and crashed about six hours later.
A Turkish airline official told CNN Turk television that the plane was carrying 30 passengers and five crew members from Turkey, Moldova, Russia and Ukraine.
It was unclear if anyone escaped uninjured.
CNN Turk said the pilot aborted an initial landing attempt, then crashed on his second attempt.
The plane belonged to Moldova's Aerian Tur Airlines, Reuters reported, and the workers on board were from Turkish construction company Kulak, the Turkish Foreign Ministry official said.
The plane had a capacity to seat 48 people, the airline official said.
Balad is the main U.S. military logistics hub in Iraq about 80 kilometers (50 miles) from Baghdad.
The U.S. military, which controls Iraqi air space, refused to comment on the incident, Reuters said.
There was no indication that hostile fire brought down the aircraft."
TK787: the picture says 'archive' so might be another AN-26 crash !!!
When I first included the link (reply 7), the word "Archive" wasn't there. Now that they know that, they superimposed "Archive" to the image. Most other newspapers in Turkey used the An-26 accident at AYT (2002) photo as if it was taken today. Now all of them have some kind of an explanation typed on them.
ONTFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 378 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4591 times:
I have a buddy stationed at Balad Air Base and he was one of the ones pulling bodies out of the plane. Pretty grusome sight he said. Two confirmed survivors as of a few hours ago when I got off the phone with him. Can't speculate on what the condition of two are at this moment. RIP to the victims.
JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4047 times:
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 34 Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1653 times:
There are some conflicting statements from various agencies that report the plane could have been shot down by a rebel-fraction...
Also some suggest ( in a belgian forum) that the initial request to land on a closer airport was refused (roumors..)
Wingnut135 From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1576 times:
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 17): That's an awfully long time, unless they made a stopover...
I'm not sure about commercial aircraft, but I do know that US military aircraft can't fly a straight line from Adana to Baghdad. They have to go the long away around Syria, so the time sounds about right.
RIP and condolences to the families.
Wingnut
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BuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2728 posts, RR: 3 Reply 26, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1558 times:
Quoting Wingnut135 (Reply 25): I'm not sure about commercial aircraft, but I do know that US military aircraft can't fly a straight line from Adana to Baghdad. They have to go the long away around Syria, so the time sounds about right.
That might be an explanation. Although, this was a Moldovan plane with Turkish pax on (I think) a civil mission. But then again you never know.
In the photo it says "Archive"....That means: It´s not that plane that crashed..... The photo was taken a couple of years ago during another incident.
Welcome to a.net. May your future posts be more intuitive and less critical.
Quoting Wingnut135 (Reply 25): I'm not sure about commercial aircraft, but I do know that US military aircraft can't fly a straight line from Adana to Baghdad. They have to go the long away around Syria, so the time sounds about right.
Quite true. In my time there, I don't remember whether the Brit VC-10's
and L1011's that came from the west were routed via Jordan or Syria, but I want to say they went to MODIK after RAPLU which would take them over Damascus. I know I never saw a US military plane routed via western Iraq. Several commercial aircraft are routed to the west through both Jordan and Syria.
If visibility were a factor in this aircraft's approach he was probably being brought in on a PAR (precision approach radar) which is (or was when I was there 1.5 years ago) the only low visibility approach aid.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3533 posts, RR: 5 Reply 28, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1502 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 24): There are some conflicting statements from various agencies that report the plane could have been shot down by a rebel-fraction...
Also some suggest ( in a belgian forum) that the initial request to land on a closer airport was refused (roumors..)
-Similar stories from the Turkish press. According to the Al Arabiya tv, and Russian news agency the plane could have been shot down just like the RAF C-130 in 2005 same place. Still rumors, stories, no credible sources..
-Some parts of the plane are secured by the US forces at the nearest US base, might include the black box.
-The plane was insured and last checked by the Turkish Aviation Authority last year, and have maintenance papers good till April 2007.
-One survivor in a Baghdad hospital in bad shape. One man missed the flight, he had passport problems at the ADA airport.
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 52 Reply 29, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 1435 times:
hey everyone, i flew IST-ADA today and we had a visitor in the cockpit, he owned an air shipment company, but he looked very sad, and i asked him if he didn't get enough sleep....he told me that we were flying him to pick up the body of the owner of the company that died onboard the AN-26 in Iraq, and he was a very close family friend to them all....i was very very sad to hear this and of course didn't really know what to say to the man, so i changed the subject to soccer and anything else that didn't really remind him of what happened
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