Brettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3746 times:
Nearly every plane that lands at LHR throughout the day is required to hold for a while at Bovingdon/Lambourne/Ockham/Biggin.
What other Airports utilise holding patterns to this extent?
Are the LHR holds the most used for any airport in the world?
Any info appreciated, that many planes in such close proximity makes holding patterns a wonderful thing to observe and be a part of (unless of course you're a pilot/business flyer/non-plane-enthusiast)
Neilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3579 times:
I know when storms are in the area of DTW they hold sometime out over the lakes. I've been on flights twice where we've circled a couple of times over Lake St. Clair. Once due to a power failure of the runways lights during a storm is what we were told and another time just due to heavy traffic.
Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3574 times:
Traffic at BOM airport has increased so much in the past few years...during peak times, ie. early morning, evenings and late night (10pm - 12pm or so), almost any flight approaching BOM has to go into a holding pattern, usually east of the airport, on the approach to rwy 27...
Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3528 times:
Every airport with an arrival procedure and/or an instrument approach has a published holding procedure. Traffic flow and weather determine whether they are used. In some cases, at busier airports, like hubs, when things get backed up, ground stops will be instituted. These ground stops will hold a plane at the departure airport, in an attempt to reduce airborne holding, so that the plane arrives at the arrival airport at a time the is more conducive to it being handled. Most like, airports like LHR, you will see a number of planes holding due to the high number of international arrivals, who can't easily be delayed via a ground stop because the flights are so long.
SLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4172 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3528 times:
There have been a number of times when coming into SLC, and coming in ahead of schedule once from SAN the other from YVR we've been put into a holding pattern to the south for the 34R or L vector we find ourselves circling the Fairfield, Cedar Fort and Eagle Mountain areas of Utah County: slcut2777 slcut2777
Similarly coming in from the north, planes will often circle the Great Salt Lake before being put into a pattern for a final approach vector on runways 16R or L. slcut2777
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KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6476 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3528 times:
The only time I can ever recall being on an airliner that had to hold was an HP flight coming into PHX. The strange thing was that the weather was perfectly clear! We were held to the Southeast of the field, which was also strange because the flight I was on had come in from PDX...we took about 3 turns in the hold before landing on 25L. The flight crew advised us of the delay (via the PA), but they never said why.
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Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6950 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3394 times:
The guy's not asking which airports have and use holding patterns-- he's asking which airports put 80-90% (?) of their arrivals into a hold, day in and day out, good weather and bad. None in the US-- right? How about Europe?
IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3343 times:
Quoting Brandonb (Reply 2): Im pretty sure all airports with a lot of traffic use holding patterns.
As mentioned in other posts, most all arrival routes in major terminal areas have some published holding patterns for the enroute or terminal facility to use should there be a need....having said that, airports that have high arrival rates in the U.S. normally do NOT put aircraft holding as the airport is able to accept many more arrivals than the enroute structure can feed the terminal facility. Should there be a need to shut off an arrival route for any number of reasons (weather, aircraft incident, equipment outage, etc.) charted holding allows the facility to be certain of separation with adjacent holding patterns at the same altitude.
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Brettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3211 times:
Quoting Timz (Reply 9): The guy's not asking which airports have and use holding patterns-- he's asking which airports put 80-90% (?) of their arrivals into a hold, day in and day out, good weather and bad. None in the US-- right? How about Europe?
Yea that's what I was gettin' at. I know basically every STAR for any airport worldwide has published holds but how many are actually used in the same way as the LHR holds?
I've flown in America a lot and never been put in a hold even going into airports such as ORD, JFK and SFO. Is it more common in Europe/Asia/Oceania?