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DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?  
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Any idea why DL17 is flying via MAN tomorrow morning? (Arrives 0520, leaving 0640).
A/c is N866DA


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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Any idea why DL17 is flying via MAN tomorrow morning? (Arrives 0520, leaving 0640).
A/c is N866DA

Probably fuel stop. Winds have been a bitch lately. Does DL's site show it?



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User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4346 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

Delta.com shows it's being diverted, arriving MAN at 6:33am and departing MAN at 7:40am....I, too, agree it's likely a fuel stop with a strong headwind...the BOM to JFK is quite a range for the 777-200 nonstop.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3730 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
Does DL's site show it?

Is shown on delta.com. Scheduled arrival time to MAN is 5:20am (actual 6:33am it appears). Anyway, for any MAN folks, you'd have to get up early if you want to catch a DL 777 at MAN again  Wink .

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
Probably fuel stop. Winds have been a bitch lately

Is CO's DEL-EWR flight facing some troubles as well, or has it always arrived at EWR in the past days diversion-free?


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3681 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 3):
Is CO's DEL-EWR flight facing some troubles as well, or has it always arrived at EWR in the past days diversion-free?

Don't know about that flight, but a bunch of CO's 757 flights from across the pond have had to make fuel stops at Goose Bay (CYYR) both today and yesterday.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3639 times:

Does it really take an hour to land, taxi in, refuel, taxi out, and takeoff?

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3621 times:
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Delta really needs those 772-200LR's fro such a LONG route. Air India is going nonstop with the LR to JFK, so DL better get the those planes soon.

User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1428 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3509 times:

Is this a regular non-stop flight? Sounds really long


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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 5):
Does it really take an hour to land, taxi in, refuel, taxi out, and takeoff?

I'd personally say that's a minimum. Taxiing at MAN is pretty bad and they can't exactly hot fuel it can they?  Smile



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 3):
Is CO's DEL-EWR flight facing some troubles as well, or has it always arrived at EWR in the past days diversion-free?

Our flight 83 (DEL-EWR) has been on-time. No diversions.



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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
Delta really needs those 772-200LR's fro such a LONG route

They have 2 on order to be delivered in early 2008.

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 7):
Is this a regular non-stop flight?

Yes.

On the subject, i am wondering if the experts in here know/think the 777-300ER can fly nonstop to JFK-BOM all year around despite the wheather.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3970 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3269 times:
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lately our diversions have been on the inbound DEL flights......although that was due to very thick fog recently.


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User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

Quoting Manny (Reply 10):
They have 2 on order to be delivered in early 2008.

Yes for the new China route in 08. Big grin


User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 12):

Yes for the new China route in 08.

ATL-PEK 6243nm
ATL-PVG 6656nm
JFK-BOM 6777nm

I would guess that the first two -LRs would go to BOM and the free -ERs would take over the China route. It also might depend on how soon the -ERs can be refit with the lie-flat BizE suites; I would assume that DL would want that product on any China route in time for the Olympics.



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User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

I say the China route for the LR's because in its application to DOT for the route authority, if it uses the LR's it will not have payload restrictions on the westbound sector and thus will be able to offer maximum seats as well as hauling the lucrative belly cargo. The ER cannot do that. I am also assuming with UA getting IAD-PEK awarded to it, DL will go for PVG as UA out of IAD and CO out of EWR both now will be going to PEK thus nullifying DL's argument of connecting many pax to a one stop PEK service via the US east coast. PVG is a longer distance. Being able to maximize seats/cargo via the LR will be an advantage in the application.

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3068 times:
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The MAN diversion for Jan 10 is a 'planned' one due to the heavy loads and winds (it was already scheduled prior to the arrival of the inbound aircraft into BOM).

The BOS diversion for Jan 8 was actually due to a sick passenger even though the winds were wicked that day (if it was for fuel, it would have diverted somewhere in Europe instead of making it all the way to BOS).

The Jan 9 flight made it nonstop despite the winds.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 9):
Our flight 83 (DEL-EWR) has been on-time. No diversions.

I see thanks for the info.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 13):
I would guess that the first two -LRs would go to BOM and the free -ERs would take over the China route.

Most likely, especially if DL continues to have bad experiences with headwinds on BOM-JFK

Quoting Panamair (Reply 15):

Certainly interesting how there can be such differences in wind and consequently operations.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 5):
Does it really take an hour to land, taxi in, refuel, taxi out, and takeoff?

Also the breaks need to cool down before the airplane rolls again. Don't know about the 777, but in a loaded 767 it may take 50 minutes to cool them off.



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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 12):
Quoting Manny (Reply 10):
They have 2 on order to be delivered in early 2008.

Yes for the new China route in 08. Big grin

We do not know that for sure. They do not even have the route authority as yet, do they ?

Quoting Panamair (Reply 15):
The MAN diversion for Jan 10 is a 'planned' one due to the heavy loads and winds (it was already scheduled prior to the arrival of the inbound aircraft into BOM).

Thanks for the info.
What are the load restrictions in place under normal wheather ?


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1884 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
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Quoting Manny (Reply 18):
Thanks for the info.
What are the load restrictions in place under normal wheather ?

The 16 carriers little or no freight b/c of the 230+ thousand lbs. of fuel needed for the flight. We palletize about 90-100 bags to save weight



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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 19):



Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 19):
The 16 carriers little or no freight b/c of the 230+ thousand lbs. of fuel needed for the flight. We palletize about 90-100 bags to save weight

If DL 16 has so many restrictions, i wonder what restrictions would be in place for DL 17.

For those who might not know. The duration of DL 16 is 14:20 minutes and the duration of DL 17 is 16:20 minutes.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

DL 17 is the longest scheduled flight by any US airline with any aircraft type.

DL is working to remove weight from the 777ERs to improve performance. ATLTLV will become the SHORTEST route for DL's 777s starting in the summer.... w/ 7000 SM flights the norm w/ ATLICN and ATLDXB.

I agree that DL will apply for ATLPVG now and will use the LR at least initially to take advantage of its strong performance... and provide room for cargo.


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting Manny (Reply 18):
We do not know that for sure. They do not even have the route authority as yet, do they ?

See reply 14.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 21):
DL 17 is the longest scheduled flight by any US airline with any aircraft type.

In terms of flight time, yes. According to Great Circle Mapper, EWR-HKG is longer by almost 266 miles. Not to split hairs.  Wink

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User currently offlineBritannia191a From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Please dont shoot me down if im not the 1st to mention this but have you see the google map flight status on Delta's web site. If you track a flight, stick in the flight no i.e DL17 and if is says "In Flight", click on that and it displays a map of where the flight is. Its rather cool and doesnt have to wait to get into US airspace to start tracking unlike some other flight trackers. It doesnt show you speed or height but its kinda good.

Brings me to another query. Why did DL17 divert to MAN. If you look at the track of the flight for DL17 (JAN11) it shows a straight line via the southern tip of Spain. Is that the route it takes or is it just a straight line. My question really is. If it went that type of route why not a divert to Madrid or another Delta destination. I am assuming then the route is via the UK. Seems a long way north from Bombay to New York. Just interested in the route.


25 RoseFlyer : Since the fuel stop was known about well ahead of time, could the reason for the hour ground time and trip to MAN be that they did a crew swap?
26 WorldTraveler : If Grandma's house is out in the country and I gotta go through every traffic light in three counties to get there, that trip is longer than to Aunt
27 EWRCabincrew : I hear ya...
28 B707Stu : It actually does show altitude and speed if you place your cursor over the aircraft. It's very cool as it also shows the land in 3 different ways.
29 Willyj : I'm assuming you mean shortest international flights, or will they discontinue flying between JFK and LAX? Don't they need to do this route for aircr
30 Willyj : sorry, meant JFK to ATL... tired
31 Nimish : What does "Palletize" mean and how does it help reduce weight?
32 Post contains images Oly720man : Looking at the flight route now (9.49am) it shows the flightpath as having flown over the Ukraine, Poland, across to Iceland and then down the E coas
33 Panamair : I'll be on DL17 BOM-JFK this coming Sunday (Jan 14) - thank goodness in Business; hopefully there will be no diversions (planned or unplanned). Will w
34 Nimish : Even better - make it a full TR with pictures!
35 Delta Fly Boy : Apparently this is why DL17 BOMJFK divirted to MAN: ENRTE... FLAG-STOP MAN FOR CREW CHG...
36 RwSEA : Interesting to know - thanks. Agree! Don't have any trip reports on this route that I've seen. I'm interested in the loads and the service.
37 Post contains images BA787 : Says he whos just had a company 752 TXL-EWR stop in YVR Seems to be the case this week, bet its pissing the passengers off, but it cannot be helped,
38 Post contains images ZRHnerd : YVR I think you got the wrong code there
39 Post contains links Magyarorszag : He probably meant YYR. CO 757 Diverting To YYR Now (by RicardoFG Jan 11 2007 in Civil Aviation)
40 Post contains images BA787 : Shit yeah, teaches me to be a smartass
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