Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7656 posts, RR: 28 Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 25727 times:
The 787 is nearing the final stage in her early development. This evening the 747LCF arrived in Nagoya to pick up the first fuselage and wing sections for transport to the US. Tomorrow she will be loaded and Friday she'll depart for South Carolina to pick up two other components before being flown to Everett, WA to begin prototype assembly.
Despite terrible wind chill and a lengthy arrival delay, I greeted the LCF on Centrair's skydeck along with several hundred other photographers and employees of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Kawasaki Heavy Industries, Aisin-Seiki, and numerous other industrial heavyweights in Nagoya contributing to Boeing's newest commercial product.
Apologies for the awful night shots...we were expecting arrival around an hour before sunset and I didn't bring my tripod.
3:30 pm...the pros are already setting up
the specialized loader is in position (the road Mitsubishi built to carry her wings from the delivery barge to the apron can be seen in the background)
As dusk settles, workers gather to greet the LCF
The sun sets over chilly Ise Bay
Boeing 876 has yet to arrive one hour past the scheduled arrival time
Finally, at 5:45 local, she touches down smoothly on runway 36 and taxies in
Eager staff from Boeing, MHI and KHI welcome the Dreamlifter
A flurry of activity begins at Spot 403
Nagoya looks forward to seeing the LCF much more often after tonight
[Edited 2007-01-10 14:21:06]
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MSPGUY From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 25741 times:
you going to be able to get shots of the bird being loaded?
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3597 posts, RR: 21 Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 25680 times:
Aaron You are the Man!
Wish I could have been there. I was in Nagoya this morning but had to go home. Man I wish I could take work off tomorrow....no classes but lots of work.
I bet some of the other Japanese Aviation nuts in the area will be overtaking the skydeck and Parking lot 3 over the next few days.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5163 posts, RR: 49 Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 25682 times:
Thanks for the great pics Aaron! I'm not ssure if you'll be getting any pics of the loading. I would think that they would load the sections dueing the middle of the night so the LCF can turn around and leave NAgoya in the morningtime. I think it'll go to Charleston and drop off the barrel and wing box but I'm not sure if it'll go direct to Italy to pic up the fuselage barrels produced there and then back to Charleston or if those barrels are not yet ready it might just fly back to Seattle from Charleston.
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4181 posts, RR: 30 Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 25662 times:
Interesting that she's not painted in the official colors yet.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5163 posts, RR: 49 Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 25599 times:
Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter): she'll depart for South Carolina to pick up two other components before being flown to Everett, WA to begin prototype assembly
I think the other fuselage sections you're talking about are made in Italy. The Dreamlifter will fly them from Italy to Charleston to be joined with the fuselage section and the center wing box produced in Japan. That entire assembly is then flown by the Dreamlifter to Everett. Vought is producing the rear fuselage section also in Charleston but that won't be joined to the main fuselage section until that part is flown to Everett.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5163 posts, RR: 49 Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 25555 times:
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 5): Interesting that she's not painted in the official colors yet.
Quoting Jasond (Reply 6): they don't appear to have applied a livery to it yet?
I think Boeing said that it'll be painted by the end of this month. The second one is supposed to be done and already painted.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10481 posts, RR: 20 Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 25534 times:
Quoting Centrair (Reply 3): I bet some of the other Japanese Aviation nuts in the area will be overtaking the skydeck and Parking lot 3 over the next few days.
I hope we get to see pics. Maybe some of the 'pro' pictures will turn up on the web too. Thanks to all of you taking time off to get some pics for us.
It's a shame the ship is in the 'pickle' color scheme. So this must be the 2nd LCF. Did the ship ever travel to Seattle, or did it hop from China to Japan directly?
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7656 posts, RR: 28 Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 25514 times:
Pro pictures will undoubtedly turn up but it would be rare for Japanese photographers to post their materials on a.net. As soon as there's information about a possible departure time, I'll begin planning for Friday.
The LCF flew from PAE to NGO today. It was never in China either - the structural conversion work was done in Taipei.
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NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5163 posts, RR: 49 Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 25448 times:
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7656 posts, RR: 28 Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 25366 times:
Quoting Jasond (Reply 11): Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
but it would be rare for Japanese photographers to post their materials on a.net.
why is that?
Japan has a huge aviation community and there are multiple photoblogs and BBS dealing with airliners. A.net is known here but it doesn't have a large following mainly due to language barrier and the Japanese community's self-supporting photo and information networks.
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Jasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 25111 times:
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 13): Japan has a huge aviation community and there are multiple photoblogs and BBS dealing with airliners. A.net is known here but it doesn't have a large following mainly due to language barrier and the Japanese community's self-supporting photo and information networks.
Thanks for that, my daughter is learning japanese at school and is very good at it. we are hoping she will get exceptionally good at it, get a job there and treat us to a holiday one day
Beech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 24660 times:
Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter): Tomorrow she will be loaded and Friday she'll depart for South Carolina to pick up two other components before being flown to Everett, WA to begin prototype assembly.
There will be NO prototype for the 787 just like the 777. I know that word seems to get used loosely but all the aircraft that will be used in testing WILL be delivered to customers. Technically the one they break is not a complete aircraft anyways, and is not prototype but built to exact specs.
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 5): Interesting that she's not painted in the official colors yet.
Quoting Jasond (Reply 6): excellent pics, thanks a lot Aaron747, they don't appear to have applied a livery to it yet?
She will be painted here at PAE once the 2nd LCF comes online and can do the trips for it.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 8): I think Boeing said that it'll be painted by the end of this month. The second one is supposed to be done and already painted.
This is correct, in fact it was partly painted(engines, tail areas) before they started rebuilding it.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12): Nope it's the first one. The 2nd one is still in Taiwan and it'll be painted before it leaves Taipei for Seattle later on this month.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12): Nope it went from Boeing Field (BFI) to NGO. It's supposed to go to Charleston after being loaded. I'm not sure where it goes after that.
If there is something ready in Italy that needs to come to Charleston, SC it will be heading there, if not i'm sure they will be bringing her home.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 16): I hope they are painted with three rows of windows.
Warowl40 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 24174 times:
My parents live in Charleston, so I would love to have my Dad go out and get some pictures! Any idea how someone could get more detailed info on when it might make it's first trip to CHS?
Beech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 24096 times:
Quoting Warowl40 (Reply 18): My parents live in Charleston, so I would love to have my Dad go out and get some pictures! Any idea how someone could get more detailed info on when it might make it's first trip to CHS?
The parts are scheduled to be delivered ON the 12th to CHS. Time will only be known once the flight plan is filed.
Watch for Boeing flight 876 (BOE876) on like Flightaware.com That is the aircraft.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 24073 times:
Is this first delivery flight considered part of the certification process? Proving it can do what it is designed to do and all that?
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Tozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 670 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 24031 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 8): The second one is supposed to be done and already painted.
True statement. I taxied by the Evergreen hangar in TPE last week and the 2nd airplane was in the hangar with the "dreamlifter" titles on.
Beech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23928 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20): Is this first delivery flight considered part of the certification process? Proving it can do what it is designed to do and all that?
Since its not certified yet... every second its got the engines powered up will be logged into the system and be used as proof to the FAA as certification.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5163 posts, RR: 49 Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23936 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20): Is this first delivery flight considered part of the certification process? Proving it can do what it is designed to do and all that?
I don't think so.
Quoting Tozairport (Reply 21): True statement. I taxied by the Evergreen hangar in TPE last week and the 2nd airplane was in the hangar with the "dreamlifter" titles on.
FXMD11 From Thailand, joined Aug 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23694 times:
Aaron 747 - you are definitily the man. This is great work and thanks a lot
for making the effort sharing these pictures. Keep warm out there. Well done
25 Beech19: He was taxiing by... LOL The last thing on my mind is "get the camera!" instead of "keep it on center." Plus EGAT is not too keen on people sneaking
26 HighFlyer9790: So when again is the first flight expected? i really am eccstatic- great news for the 787!
27 Zvezda: I think it's rollout in July and first flight in August.
28 Brenintw: I might be able to head out to TPE this weekend and see if I can get pics -- 500 mm lens should suffice Bren
29 SSTsomeday: There have been / will be two of these LCFs built, is that correct? I wonder how it would effect production if one of these birds were badly damaged o
30 Eagle11: These pictures are great! Thanks! Can't wait to see the rest of the fleet up and running.
31 Brenintw: Three will be built initially -- although I believe Boeing is looking at adding more if the need arises. The second one is currently being built, I'm
32 NYC777: There will be 3 by the end of this year. If Boeing expands the output or ands a 2nd production line then they may have to add more Dreamlifters.
34 Centrair: What I find interesting is that there is little news about the LCF here in the Chubu Region. Would have through it would have been on the news and in
35 K0dxx: What pictures? I have used two browsers and I see no pictures!
36 DeltaJet757: Cool pics. I wish Boeing would paint the LCF so we wouldn't have to look at that godawful green primer. -DeltaJet757
37 Aaron747: Not at all surprised Centrair. Japanese companies don't like to publicize things in the media unless they involve a new product launch or positive fin
38 Jogales: Here's direct links to the highlights: http://www.pbase.com/cityflyer/image/72887944/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/cityflyer/image/72887948/large
39 Jafa39: So...the 787's gonna be a Rice Burner eh?
40 Beech19: 3 to support production at first... word around here is 5 will be built in the long run. No its going to be a rice burning, cowboy ridin', warm bear
41 Centrair: Picking up old NH or JL planes? Yeeeee haaaaaw! I think that best describes the 787's production in terms of cultural background. I just hope the 787
42 Tozairport: Sorry dude, but as we taxi we are in "sterile cockpit" so taking pictures is taboo. IF I was to have taken pictures, and that is IF, I surely couldn'
43 Centrair: Finally found a news article all be it in Japanese but it doesn't mention the LCF. (Translated title) The fuji Heavy Industries, beginning shipment th
44 Centrair: Here is a little 787 artwork for you all from our friends at Fuji Heavy Industries. I believe this is the first 787 piece that will actually fly. 787
45 NYC777: Cool the first pic of the actual 787 fuselage. I believe this is part of the mid fuselage (forward of the wing box I think). It'll be attached to the
46 Aaron747: The parts are scheduled to be delivered ON the 12th to CHS. Time will only be known once the flight plan is filed. Nothing on flightaware as of yet so
47 NYC777: Do you know if anyone has gotten any pics of the loading?
48 Beech19: Not a specific schedule... BUT since Fuji is building every single wingbox and Kawasaki is building all the section 44's and Mitsubishi is building t
49 Beech19: We may have a situation... There was a An-124 that left from KBFI yesterday at 3:47pm and arrived in NGO at about midnight. This COULD carry a wingbox
50 Beech19: I am contacting my source who is dealing with this from Charlston, SC. I'll update as i hear, if i can say...
51 NYC777: The AN-124 flew in from Rickenbacker AFB on January 9th. The same day the LCF left for Nagoya. It might have been transporting support equipement but
52 DrExotica: Here's a question - why is some of the assembly work being done in Charleston, rather than in Seattle? It seems a bit odd schlepping parts from Nagoya
53 NYC777: Here, check out the following link. It's answerrs all your questions and is quite a good read: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm....ology/20024863
54 Beech19: They are going to Charleston because that is where Vought is... they are manufacturing some peices of the fues also and assembling the largest peice
55 ERAUgrad02: 1 question.. does boeing have to use 747-400? to convert. i mean if they cant find could they convert -300/200's.
56 Beech19: The aircraft is based off the 747-400 MTOW and improvments over the -300/200. The COULD if they couldn't find any pax, they could use a -400F. They h
57 AA777223: I thought at first that thing looks huge, but then when you look at the doors and windows, it looks decidedly single-aisle to me. I realize the windo
59 JSquared: Not to get too off-topic, but why are the doors the size that they are? Or, why are they larger on the 787 than on current passenger aircraft?
60 Zvezda: Door size actually varies a lot among current passenger aircraft. The CFRP fuselage makes it possible for the 787 to have very large doors with a muc
61 Pygmalion: The door in the 43 section is the main entry door and so is larger than the other "service" doors. Its more for the pax than anything else. There is a
62 Aaron747: So is the LCF not leaving Centrair today? Still nothing on flightaware so I think I may not get out there.
63 CinJA: FlightAware now has BOE876 leaving January 12th as 02:30 EST (1630 JST). I was hoping to get down there tomorrow, but looks like I will have to wait
64 Aaron747: And so it is...I'll plan to arrive at centrair around 1600 JST.
65 Nyc777: Has it left NGO yet and was it loaded with the 787 parts?
66 Beech19: It is scheduled to leave at about 11:30PM PST on the 11th and will arrive into KBFI at about 8:39AM PST. I'm positive it has its cargo... it would NO
67 Nyc777: Well hopefully that should silence certain people on this forum. Well we all should be so lucky! I hope some one gets some good pics. Will they practi
68 Aaron747: My profound apologies folks, as there won't be pics from me today. I was tied up in the city and missed the rapid train that would have got me there i
69 Centrair: No problem. kinishinaide! There is always next time. Maybe someone in Charleston can get landing and unloading.
70 Ruscoe: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE876 you can follow its progress here Ruscoe
71 Beech19: According to multiple flight tracking systems... Dream)Lifter #1 BOE876 has arrived at KBFI... The first large production parts of the 787 are in the
72 LY4XELD: The CHS location for unloading the LCF...er, Dream)Lifter is out of the way from the main terminal...you'd probably have a hard time finding a place
73 Beech19: Yeah... you can't see it from the roads (blocked by trees) and its away from the main terminals a good ways.
74 LY4XELD: The first pictures of 787 parts being loaded into the Dream)Lifter have been released internally here at Boeing. I'd expect a public release soon! Als
75 Beech19: Seen the Dream)Lifter #2 pics... gotta love it!
76 SeattleFlyer: I'm in a highrise in downtown Seattle and saw it come in this morning over Elliott Bay on approach to BFI. She shows beautifully in the NW sunshine!
78 Beech19: THAT is a beautiful sight... can't wait to get my hands on that stuff!
79 DrExotica: Thanks Ruscoe. One question - when you click on the details concerning the flight, why was BOE876 cruising at FL 290 for the last five hours of its f
81 Beech19: yeah... somewhat normal for the Dream)Lifter... but when it went over there a few days ago it was at FL350. The first time it came across it was at l
82 Aaron747: That loader is just beyond awesome. Thanks for posting KFL! So great to see the Dreamliner now in gear
83 Rktsci: I hope it will be attached to other parts that provide streamlining, propulsion, and control
84 Pygmalion: They are one of the fuselage sections and the wingbox, main wheel well for airplane number 1.
85 Beech19: The fues part is section 43. It will be attached directly in front of the wingbox (section 11/45). Section 41(the forward fues and cockpit) being mad
86 Nyc777: When is the section 44 and the wing box heading to Charleston?
87 Leelaw: This photograph appears in today's Seattle Times: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...pace/2003523031_dreamlifter13.html [Edited 2007-01-13 16:40:4
88 Beech19: This was the photo release from Boeing on Friday along with the Dream)Lifter #2 "rollout."
89 Ikramerica: Sounds as if the loading and unloading, as well as flying a real load, is indeed a part of a revised FAA certification program. The delay in certifica
90 Beech19: Don't forget that just like the 777 there is not a 787 prototype. These are all production aircraft and WILL be delivered. Thats a good point though.
91 Zvezda: The reason it's not a commercial op is because no one is paying Boeing to fly the parts around. Once the dreamlifters are handed off to Evergreen, th
92 Centrair: Does this mean the Barrel above will eventually come back (attached to hte rest of the plane) in NH colors?
93 Nyc777: According to Flightaware, N747BC conducted some test flights today around the Seattle area and returned to BFI. Hoopefully they can finish the test fl
94 Centrair: Is that the one that was just here or is it the new one that just was delivered? I thought the one that was in NGO went to Charleston.
95 Pygmalion: it stopped in Seattle on the way to run tests with a full load. It leaves in few days for SC
96 LY4XELD: Possibly, but Airplane 1 isn't the first to be delivered to a customer. NH will get the first 787 built to a customer's specifications from day 1.
97 Pygmalion: Airframe #7 is first airframe delivered
98 Ikramerica: One frame must be sacrificed to the damage and load testing part of the program. Unless I'm missing something.
99 LY4XELD: A frame, but not a full-up airplane with systems installed. It's not a prototype, it's only used for structural testing.
100 Sonic67: Great pics-- I wish I could have been there. I can't help wondering what kind of equipment is under the tail and if infact is it holding it up? Thanks
101 NYC777: Hia ll, A little update. The Dreamlifter arrived in CHS this morning at around 7:40 AM. This is presumably to unload parts for the first 787. Boeing h
102 Beech19: Um... unless its part of the frame that gets "wing tested" yes, but not necessarily to NH, but very possibly as they have many of the first slots. Ye
103 Pygmalion: There are two structural test airframes ( no systems) the second one built and the 6th.
104 Beech19: It is scheduled to leave CHS and return back to BFI today. It should be departing in about 10 minutes... 1pm EST. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/
105 Pygmalion: the static test article is the one that gets the wing broken... the fatigue test airframe is run through 2-3 lifetimes of cycling and so isn't worth m
106 N600RR: Beech19, this is o/t, but do you (or any other Boeing people) know how Boeing flight numbers are assigned/selected either to aircraft for customer de
107 Beech19: I do... they are assigned by an internal customer/aircraft number. These numbers aren't "public" and honestly i forget what they exactly are called.
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