Ualcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21773 times:
Can anyone tell me more about this? Which US airlines have them parked and if any, how many aircraft? How quickly can they be brought back to service and what are the costs involved? Thanks in advance!
Beech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 21743 times:
Quoting Ualcsr (Thread starter): Can anyone tell me more about this? Which US airlines have them parked and if any, how many aircraft? How quickly can they be brought back to service and what are the costs involved? Thanks in advance!
Well... the short answer is they park them there because they can last a long time. Its warm, dry and the climate varies only slightly.
I would say the only US airline without aircraft parked (retired aircraft excluded) in the desert is probably Southwest as they can't get enough aircraft.
Aircraft can be brought back pretty quick actually... i don't know the exact time span but its very rapid.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 21750 times:
There are several locations in California and Arizona that are used for long term storage: Mojave, Victorville, and Marana are the most active.
The number and type of aircraft at storage facilities varies from day to day. Reasons for storage range from airlines cessation of a particular type of aircraft (727's, DC-9's, and so on) to poor lease rates (United and some of its 777's) to going out of business.
There are four different levels of storage offered by these facilities, and they range from very short term (possibly used by airlines who need a two week delay in taking delivery of an aircraft) to long term (leasing companies shopping around for a new customer) to ultra-long term (retiring older aircraft that might either be eventually converted to cargo or scrapped altogether).
Once an aircraft is parked, the facility will cover the plane to shield it from the elements. This may include deflating the tires and covering the engines, doors, and windows. The decision as to actually what will be done, however, lies in the agreement between the facility and the owner, to be determined by what level of storage the customer wants.
I drive frequently on highway 58 and pass by the airport in Mojave. Every time I'm there the number and type of planes to be seen changes. For many years, TWA's Convair 880's and an occasional 990 were seen, but they have since been scrapped. Many airlines cover their name, but KLM's distinctive blue is frequently seen, and even without the name, Delta's L1011's are hard to miss.
DTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 21142 times:
I visited Victorville last month and I took some photos. It was so interesting to experience this first hand even if it was looking through the fence.
Currently at VCV there are most if not all of the Delta L1011's as well as many of their 727-200's and 737-200's. Most of United's 767-200 fleet is parked there as well along with about 5 or 6 of their 747-400's. I even thought I saw a UA A320 sitting there.
Here are some photos I took if you are interested in seeing them.
Scalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20920 times:
Does anyone have info about how the airline prepares the aircraft for storage? Is it flown there with interior etc. intact? Is anything removed (except maybe engines and other parts if permanent storage) after the aircraft is parked? Short or long term.
Also, what kind of maintenance is performed on stored aircraft - particularly those expected to see service life again that may still be stored for an extended time.
DTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20482 times:
Quoting Phxplanes (Reply 13): Wow, thats cool that you can get that close, at marana you cant get within a mile or so without gaurds stoping you.
Well that is a story within itself. The perimeter of VCV is nothing but dirt desert roads. They are on the county map so they are public roads that basically rarely see use. If you look at the VCV aerial photos above you can see them. At one point a security truck did drive around the inside perimeter and I thought sure we were busted but he didn't say a thing.
I took my aunt with me who is a nun who works at a church just a couple of miles from VCV. She had a great map of the area and it showed all of the roads including the dirt roads. I was the one who was scared to drive around there and she kept pushing me to go farther. It was great. I was glad I had her with me to keep my mind tuned less on the airplanes and more to the brush and holes in the ground as I would walk up to the fence to take these pictures. Being from the midwest, I have no clue what lives in the desert and I really didn't want to find out.
FlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20295 times:
Those photos of aircraft taken from the ground are interesting. I flew into Marana in December in a 172 and they put us on a very short leash. We could roam the 100 feet between the FBO and our 172. I started taking a couple of photos, thinking nothing of it, and a security car pulled up and said I would have to stop, not for security but because airlines don't like these kinds of photos released to the public. So, all I got was some shots taken from the air that were not of high enough quality to post here.
That said, the FBO manager for Evergreen was very friendly.
Another aspect to consider: when is an airplane no longer an airplane? I wondered that during my visit to Mojave, coming across the fuselage section of an Eastern DC-8. The story above contains a photo or two of the "aircraft."
Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
RobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3952 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 18003 times:
Going off on a bit of a tangent, a couple of guys I know went to Marana (or was it Mojave) a good number of years ago on business and were treated to a tour of the aircraft there. Everything was going well taking pics and getting close up to the aircraft and stuff when one of them turned round to come back to the jeep and was face to face with a pretty pissed-off looking snake! Clean underwear moment! He managed to do a 180 and run round it back to the jeep but he didn't get out again until they were back at base!
I guess aircraft graveyards like MHV and MZJ are a paradise for deadly snakes and spiders etc and I think I'd be frightened to death of walking round somewhere like that!!
: I guess real life Snakes on the Plane. Does anyone of these places give tours of the facilty?
: Would someone be kind enough to answer some questions I have always had about planes in storage? 1) Why is security so tight? It sure would be nice to
: I did not see a 717 in the picture-- I saw an old DC-9.. but I might be missing it. If a TWA 717 is in the desert I believe it was a total loss resul
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: Check out Historychannel.com. The show was called "The Boneyard" I believe. It explains a little about this and other types of "boneyards". 717
: They are still planes worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more. From my understanding, its not too bad. The people out there do rotate the
: Cant believe there are 744s sat around, and I assume that the SR MD11 in a photo is long gone inot freighter form
: The incident you mention was a DC-9-30, not a 717. The only TWA 717 gear incident I know of was a nose gear failure after a diversion to BLV.
: If these places were to charge a nominal fee for touring/photography etc, surely that would help go toward the upkeep of the planes in storage. Just
: There is probably some insurance regulation I'm sure to keep visitors out. Probably afraid of a lawsuit in our sue happy society.