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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 55
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

The aviation sector in Mexico is finally heating up and I thought it would be fitting to have a thread dedicated to Mexican aviation. I hope this is kosher with all the Mexican members of the forum. If not, just take the thread topic to be a Mexican route analysis.

Anyways, I am working on analyzing Mexican route analysis and found some interesting facts. Perhaps all the knowledgeable Mexicanos can help clear why the low-cost revolution has been slow to take off in Mexico. By this I mean, many cities not currently having low cost service. Also, any ideas whether there are other airports currently without service in Mexico? For a country of its size, there seems to be very few airports. Any idea why so many relatively mid-large cities are connected so poorly? It seems all traffic is via hub, DF, or MTY/GDL. Is there really no demand? Could demand be created by the LCCs like they did in Europe, Asia, and North America? Finally, unlike fun destinations in other areas of the world, it seems LCCs are avoiding beach cities in MX (Cozumel, Pt. Vallarta, Manzanillo, Ixtapa/Z, etc.)?

Cheers,
A.

Analysis:

Here is what I came up with in terms of route analysis. By LCC, I include Aladia, Avolar, Alma, Interjet, Viva Aerobus, and Volaris. I refrain from including CLICK as I have never encountered a cheap CLICK flight! Oh, the cities follow a geographic pattern based on my understanding of Mexico and a * before a city indicate no LCC flights. Number after the city indicates number of LCCs out of possible 6.

01/ Tijuana (4): Volaris, Viva A, Alma, Avolar, Aviacsa, MX, AM, Aero CA
02/ *Mexicali: Azteca, Aviacsa, MX, AM
03/ Cd. Juarez (3): Viva A, Interjet, Alma, Azteca, Aviacsa, AM, Aero CA
04/ Chihuahua (3): Viva A, Interjet, Alma, Azteca, AM, Aero CA
05/ Hermosillo (2): Volaris, Avolar, Azteca, Aviacsa, MX, AM, Aero C
06/ *Cd. Obregon: AM, Aero C
07/ *Loreto: AM
08/ La Paz (2): Alma, Avolar, AM, Aero C
09/ Los Cabos (2): Interjet, Alma
10/ Los Mochis (1): Alma, AM, Aero C
11/ Culiacan (2): Viva A, Avolar, Azteca, Aviacsa, AM, Aero C
12/ *Mazatlan: MX, AM, Aero C
13/ Pt. Vallarta (1): Alma, Aviacsa, AM
14/ *Manzanillo: MX, AM
15/ Colima (1): Avolar, AM, Aero C
16/ *Lazaro C: AM
17/ Ixtapa/Z (1): Interjet, MX, AM
18/ Acapulco (3): Viva A, Interjet, Avolar, Azteca, Aviacsa, MX, AM
19/ *Pt. Escondido: Click MX
20/ *Huatulco: MX, AM
21/ *Salina Cruz: AM
22/ *Tapachulo: Aviacsa, AM
23/ *Chetumal: Aviacsa, Click MX, AM
24/ *Cozumel: MX
25/ Cancun (4): Volaris, Viva A, Interjet, Aladia, Azteca, Aviacsa, MX, AM
26/ *Merida: Aviacsa, MX, AM, Aero C
27/ *Campeche: AM
28/ Cd. Carmen (1): Interjet, MX, AM
29/ *Villahermosa: Aviacsa, MX, AM
30/ T Guttierez (1): Interjet, Aviacsa, MX, AM
31/ *Minatitlan: MX, AM
32/ Veracruz (2): Viva A, Interjet, Aviacsa, MX, AM, Aero C
33/ Puebla (3): Alma, Avolar, Aladia, Azteca, AM, Aero C
34/ Oaxaca (1): Avolar, Azteca, Aviacsa, MX, AM
35/ Cuernavaca (1): Avolar
36/ Uruapan (1): Avolar, Azteca, AM
37/ Queretaro (2): Alma, Avolar, AM
38/ Tampico (2): Viva A, Interjet, Aviacsa, MX, AM, Aero C
39/ Morelia (1): Avolar, Azteca, Aviacsa, MX, AM
40/ *SL Potosi: MX, AM
41/ *Zacatecas: Azteca, MX
42/ *Aguascaliente: Azteca, AM
43/ *Cd. Victoria: AM
44/ *Nuevo Laredo: MX
45/ *Raynosa: AM
46/ *Matamoros: AM
47/ Torreon (1): Alma, AM, Aero C
48/ Durango (1): Avolar, Aviacsa, AM, Aero C
49/ *Saltillo: MX
50/ Tepic (1): Avolar, AM, Aero C
51/ Leon/B (3): Volaris, Viva A, Avolar, Aviacsa, MX, AM

52/ Monterrey (5): Volaris, Viva A, Interjet, Alma, Aladia, Aviacsa, MX, AM, Aero C
53/ Guadalajara (4): Volaris, Interjet, Alma, Avolar, Aviacsa, MX, AM, Aero C
54/ Toluca (2): Volaris, Interjet, Azteca, Click MX
55/ *DF: Azteca, Aviacsa, MX, AM, Aero C

* Please let me know if I missed something and/or inaccuracies.


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
It seems all traffic is via hub, DF, or MTY/GDL

Even MTY and GDL are poor hubs when you consider the size and economic output of the metro areas they serve. MTY at least has 6A. Sadly, almost everything revolves around MEX.

AM was developing HMO into a mini-hub but I am not sure of its status. There was also some noise that MX might turn CUN into a mini-hub but that was before the LCCs came into scene.

Mexican LCCs need to focus not only on O&D traffic but also on connecting traffic so that TIJ, MTY, GDL, TLC and PBC can become hubs.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
it seems LCCs are avoiding beach cities in MX

Well, ACA, ZIH, CUN and SJD are already served by LCCs, and I am sure it is only a matter of time before other beach destinations will receive LCC flights.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Are there other airports that can receive civilian traffic ... or that once did and now has no service?

-A.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

ADN is mainly a general aviation airport serving the wealthy businessmen of Monterrey (and maybe some military and law enforcement movements take place there too). I am not sure about the story of ADN i.e., whether it used to be Monterrey's airport many years ago or whether it was simply built for G.A. purposes.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

MX is doing it´s job with CUN and GDL, MTY was forgotten in time for a while, but hopefully in the mid term that can change.

Some cities, will be too expensive to add service, for example CVM, Ciudad Victoria, it´s in the middle of TAM or MTY, it´s cheaper to fly to any of those instead direct, also because is way too expensive.

There where plans to expand Del Norte Int´l -ADN- but the owner don´t want too, also because is way too far from the citie and the road is pretty dangerous to arrive.

Saludos



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Quoting N405MX (Reply 4):
There where plans to expand Del Norte Int´l -ADN- but the owner don´t want too, also because is way too far from the citie and the road is pretty dangerous to arrive.

= Could ADN be like Toluca?

-A.

PS: I personally think LCCs will really take off in Mexico when cross-border flights start.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
05/ Hermosillo (2): Volaris, Avolar, Azteca, Aviacsa, MX, AM, Aero C

Nope, MX retired from HMO a while ago...

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
AM was developing HMO into a mini-hub but I am not sure of its status.

Well, sure seems like they did, same with Aerolitoral. I'd say around 75% all ops at HMO are from AM, with 6A being the runner up.


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

I pretty much live in Aguascalientes. From what I have seen, Aguascalientes is not such a small city with a populatioin bordering 1 million. The standard of living in the city seems to be high indicating that the population generally do have some disposable income. I think it can support other carriers. Currently I drive 3 hours to GDL to catch a flight. While Aguascalientes does have service, the flights are terribly expensive. Azteca, AM, AA & CO. The later two with ERJ service to DFW and IAH. Now with a reasonably sized population, and alot of industry, such as Nissan, Texas Instruments etc, why does AGU have such little service?


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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 7):
why does AGU have such little service?

= That was kind of the point of my thread. To understand better the lack of service. Given that you live there, what is your understanding of the lack of service?

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
Sadly, almost everything revolves around MEX.

This is very true, unfortunately. Mexico receives around 25 million visitors each year, the air traffic should be distributed better. However, I think things are changing. I would like to see traffic at GDL, MTY and TLC increase at a faster pace than MEX.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 9):
I would like to see traffic at GDL, MTY and TLC increase at a faster pace than MEX

I think it has been growing at a faster pace in CUN and, above all, TLC. And it will continue to do so. MTY, GLD and TIJ will greatly benefit from all the LCC's, and more specifically Viva Aerobus (MTY), Alma (GDL) and A Volar (TIJ).



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 8):
= That was kind of the point of my thread. To understand better the lack of service. Given that you live there, what is your understanding of the lack of service?

Investmen on the airports, some really need more money to begin bigger operations, increase runways, etc, Click will begin service to AGS, the fokker is a good plane for those routes, but it gets kinda expensive to operate other types.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 5):
= Could ADN be like Toluca?

Click wanted a TLC-ADN flight, but it all vanished, as stated above, the operators of the ADN don´t want comercial service.

Saluds



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 10):
I think it has been growing at a faster pace in CUN and, above all, TLC. And it will continue to do so. MTY, GLD and TIJ will greatly benefit from all the LCC's, and more specifically Viva Aerobus (MTY), Alma (GDL) and A Volar (TIJ).

Agree. Good things taking shape in Mexico. Now TLC, GDL, MTY and TIJ have their own airline. Hopefully Alma will be able to compete against the others with CRJs.

Anybody know the lastest about Copa to GDL????


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

What's the deal with LCCs going across the border? Wasn't that a strategy for Viva Aerobus and Avolar?

-A.



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User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Abrelosojos:

YOu could add to your list Aeromar and Magnicharters. Aladia instead of a LCC would be a charter airlines (just like Magnicharters). Aeromar flies to cities where no one else wants or serves as francise airlines. You included many destinations as AM when they are really served by VW metal.

You should also include NOG with its brand new service to HMO (5D).

There are plenty of other civil airports unused because of lack of facilities or lack of interest by airline. I can think in the followings:
1. Ensenada (3x to Isla Cedros in a DC3),
2. Puerto Peñasco (served before by Aviación del Noroeste),
3. Guaymas (served before by AM and 5D)
4. Nuevo Casas Grandes (served a long time ago by AM and in a city of over 100K inhabitants, close to Paquime ruins).
5. Monclova (served currently only by CO and non domestic flights. A flight LOV-MTY-MEX could be a good idea. 5D could not support it because it was only LOV-MTY)
6. Guerrero Negro. 5D flights had a subsidy and when it dissapeared also the 5D.
7. Tamuin, SLP (used to have flight many many years ago. Currently I guess it barely has a radar).
8. Matehuala, SLP (Allegro Regional tried it, but its financial success was clear: the airline went belly-up)
8. Cordoba (serving a metro area of almost 400K, it is more an airstrip with few facilities).
9. Tehuacán
10. Loma Bonita (Tuxtepec)
11. Apatzingán
12. Chilpancingo.
13. Comitán, San Cristóbal de las Casas, Palenque (all had previous services with VW or QA. Palenque in fact had an international flight to FRS)
14. Ocosingo in Chiapas
14. Playa del Carmen (just few chartered small a/c to CZM or Chichen Itza)
15. Chichen Itza (nice little airport with no sched service. Before was served by QA from CTM and CUN).

PZ



Next flight: IAH-DBX-MRU-ANT
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 14):
5D could not support it because it was only LOV-MTY

I did not know the flight was no longer being offered. I guess many people preferred to drive, as Monclova is not that far from MTY. I believe service was 1x daily with a Saab 340.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 8):
= That was kind of the point of my thread. To understand better the lack of service. Given that you live there, what is your understanding of the lack of service?

Within reasonable distance from the three biggest urban areas on decent, albeit expensive highways. Airlines (not helped by high taxes that burden ticket price) don't compete with bus service in this particular case. This might change, but some tax sparing is in order.


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 8):
= That was kind of the point of my thread. To understand better the lack of service. Given that you live there, what is your understanding of the lack of service?



Quoting AM744 (Reply 16):
Airlines (not helped by high taxes that burden ticket price) don't compete with bus service in this particular case. This might change, but some tax sparing is in orde

Kinda slipped my mind, but coming to think of it, it would probably be very hard for the airlines to compete with the extensive bus system in Mexico. The bus lines offer great products for very low prices. Save for the length of travel time, it is usually the best way to go. For airlines to compete with that, it would mean very low ticket prices and probably flying very unprofitable routes.

Example.

Aguascalientes - Mexico, one way on the bus costs around 450MXN, 6.5 hr journey. Good route for an airplane probably take about 1 hour or less. But at 45US, is that going to be profitable?



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User currently offlineMTYFREAK From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Quoting N405MX (Reply 4):
There where plans to expand Del Norte Int´l -ADN- but the owner don´t want too, also because is way too far from the citie and the road is pretty dangerous to arrive.

That's about to change in the next years, There are a lot of new plans for ADN, specially now that the owner is about to loose the airport concession to a group of industrials that want to create a massive cargo terminal. no word about passenger service yet.

Runway 11/29 will be expanded and the laredo highway will be moved to give way to the larger runway.

There are studies undergoing right now and soon the plans for the future will be announced,

great to read all of you,

greetings,



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User currently offlineGortsilo From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 2):
Are there other airports that can receive civilian traffic ... or that once did and now has no service?

PPE (Puerto Peñasco, a.k.a Rocky Point) has a new $100 million airport project under construction and expecting to open late this year; there is a BIG rumor that US Airways is looking very seriously at PPE, they could be first to fly there from PHX by 2008 once the construction is done. Also 5D is studying the market at PPE and there is a possibility for a HMO-PPE-HMO route.

Rocky Point is the fastest-growing resort city in Mexico, most of the tourist affluence there comes from the US --about 85% of the 2.2 million, as of 2005--, specially from Arizona and California, so sooner or later things will change at PPE, believe me.


User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 18):
That's about to change in the next years, There are a lot of new plans for ADN, specially now that the owner is about to loose the airport concession to a group of industrials that want to create a massive cargo terminal. no word about passenger service yet.

Runway 11/29 will be expanded and the laredo highway will be moved to give way to the larger runway.

There are studies undergoing right now and soon the plans for the future will be announced,

great to read all of you,

Hi Eugenio, lot of time without knowing about you.

About ADN, will be interesting to see how they move th Laredo highway, also, we will have to see how the owners of the nearby houses will behave because of the new movement of the airport, just to have in mind Portal del Norte and Portal de Zuazua, because they are located in part of the glidepath, but let´s see.

Saludos



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User currently offlineMTYFREAK From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

What's up Logan!

Quoting N405MX (Reply 20):
About ADN, will be interesting to see how they move th Laredo highway,

well, apparently, the way they're going to do that is by using an "entronque" (intersection) that is on the same road before the airport when you drive outbound Monterrey but who knows.

like you said, let's see what happens.

by the way, ILS at ADN is still inop due to traditional bureaucratic procedures.

Saludos!



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User currently offlineMTYFREAK From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Quoting N405MX (Reply 20):
also, we will have to see how the owners of the nearby houses will behave because of the new movement of the airport, just to have in mind Portal del Norte and Portal de Zuazua,

for ADN it will probably be worse! , because since ADN/MMAN and MTY/MMMY are just 9nm apart from each other all traffic going to ADN has to arrive to the area with a maximun altitude of 2'500 feet unlike MTY where all traffic has to arrive at a minimun altitude of 3'000ft.

let's see what happens,

saludos



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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1140 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

Any word about the so-called "Aeropuerto de la Riviera Maya", near Playa del Carmen? Is ASUR still blocking/trying to control its development?

__Ad.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
It seems all traffic is via hub, DF, or MTY/GDL. Is there really no demand?

It is a very complex issue, with no one reason or result.

The main issue with Mexico is that everything in Mexico revolves around Mexico City.
And even the next two biggest Metropolitan areas, Guadalajara and Monterrey are down-right provincial when compared to the capital.
Their economic and social influences extend only so far from thei city centres. It is rare for say a businessman in Hermosillo to have a need to go to Monterrey, or one in Oaxaca needing to get to Aquascaliente.

Foreign industry may indeed exist in all these places mentioned in a post above, but their travel habits tend to rely on those back to the mother country.....and not to other places in Mexico.

Future governments should look at the British example currently underway; in the attempt to curb congestion of the capital center, many governmental departments and agencies are being relocated in places such as Birmingham, Manchester, and even Edinburgh.

If Mexico were to do something like this, it would have wide reaching benefits, of course the airlines being one them.
Since every arm of the government found in the DF, it goes without saying business will follow the lead. Although it has been a pain in the rear for people needing to go from one point in Mexico to another, it is unfortunately what the majority needs.

Second point. The buses in Mexico have been perfected to the level of science, with second-class (Segunda), first-class (Primera), and executive/luxury-class coaches (Plus Clase/Clase Executiv) offering very attractive fares.
It has been a few years since I was in Guadalajara, but I remember a big sign out by my mother-in-law's home in Colonia Tolonia advertising a fare of 275MXN from Guadalajara to Morelia, and 375MXN to DF Mexico. (About $25USD and $35USD) My memory is not so good on which clase autobus this was for, but I think it was First.
Airfares, even on the LCC, are in the 599MXN to 899MXN range, (About $55USD to $80USD) but to Toluca....then one will still have to go over the hill to get to the DF.

Another big factor is Economics.
While unemployment in Mexico is very low, about 5%, it is *Underemployment* that is a problem....people have work, but not enough to bring them up to a higher living standard, 40% currently live below the level of poverty...especially troublesome in rural Mexico, not so prevalent in the major population centers where there generally is work for anyone who wants it.

The average person makes a little over 56,000MXN....or about $5,000USD.
Better than in years past, but is it enough to support an airline industry that is reflective of the enormous population?
It is interesting to note, Mexico does better in this regard than such places as China, India, Vietnam, Chile, Poland, Brazil, and South Africa.

The question I ask, do these Nations have better airline service than Mexico?
Some may answer China...but to what pct does it reach that enormous population.
Others my come back with India, it is certainly on its way, but the infrastructure can in no way handle even 10% of the people carried by rail everyday...
Brazil?
South Africa?

I cannot answer the question, because the variables on which to formulate the answer could be skewed a hundred different ways.

How do these other nations compare with their ground transportation networks? Trains, Buses, Ferrys, etc.

NationMaster Stats

Summary
1. Diversify and DeCentralize Government and Business.
2. Get people off the buses.
3. Raise the standard living for all.

I wish all the new airline entrants into Mexico well, but I am afraid there are too many, chasing too few.....for now.



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26 EddieDude : Joe, your post is very interesting. It provides us lots of food for thought and will enable a great discussion I am sure. Yes, the issue is that our a
27 N405MX : Or even Russia...... The problem is, all those "Sexenio Crisis" that affected aviation, misshandling of the airlines, political interests, and a lot
28 Post contains images AeroMexico767 : It seems VivaAerobus is ready for AGU-MTY effective april 1st.. by the way.. how are they doing? Haven't heard nothing around Viva lately! Yes!! I've
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35 Post contains images Captaink : 1. Yes they are slow, that is my problem. I spend less time on my flight from GDL to DFW than I do on the bus from Aguas to GDL. 2. I have been on so
36 N405MX : Lot´s of delays, and cancelled flights because the lack of equipment, they begin wet leasing a plane from Magnicharters, but was too expensive and t
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41 N405MX : ORD-ZCL on the A318 usually arrives with 4tons of bags + cargo, ZCL-ORD sometimes really departs heavy, I´ll check the flight closures to post the i
42 Toxtethogrady : Mexicana and AeroMexico are moving to sew up that market. If anything, CAL's downsizing their regional operations.
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